Congolese Political Discussions and News Thread.

[Broda-Man]

Originally Posted by preme3000

Change is the opportunity to get back on track and that is what the majority of the voters voted for.

A change of president will mean a change of personnel at the top levels, changes in vital positions, for example - the prime minister who is appointed by the president.

This will mean a diiferent approach to the problems which we face but does that guarantee success? No, but the likelyhood of success is increased since the current personnel are obviously nowhere good enough and most have been around the power structures long enough for us to see tangible benefits of their work.

The intergration of the Rwandans (do not mistake them for Congolese) into the national army was no mistake because yes you can say he made a mistake in 2009 (that deal did not lead to any peace btw) but he was working with the same group of Rwandans as recently as 2012. During the elections in November 2011, these guys were reinforced materialistically (new military hardware from Kigali) and with manpower (Rwandan soldiers) to force the population to vote for Kanambe.

They were promoted this year as rewards for their work, meanwhile they answer to Kagame at the end of the day, that monkey Kanambe is in on all of this or he is extremely unintelligent.

All these things have been there for all to see, we do not need the UN to tell us what is going on because Congolese people on the ground and within the political circles can confirm certain things before they become mainstream news.

That's quite a point. They were "During the elections in November 2011, these guys were reinforced materialistically (new military hardware from Kigali) and with manpower (Rwandan soldiers) to force the population to vote for Kanambe." Where do you get that information from? Military hardware? O.O

How can you say that it was no mistake? The result of what they did can be seen right now. The fragile peace was a mistake. I believe that is why they have decided not to have negociations with them. At least I see that they've learnt from the past. Peace with those men is useless.
The army should finish them. At least those that are on the congolese soil. It should be an eradication! And make sure to have patriotic soldiers.

[BUTEMBO21]

[BUTEMBO21]

^ Revolution de la Modernization en Marche...Kanambe doing a good job by integrating Tutsis (former Kagame soldiers) in FARDC.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by Broda-Man

That's quite a point. They were "During the elections in November 2011, these guys were reinforced materialistically (new military hardware from Kigali) and with manpower (Rwandan soldiers) to force the population to vote for Kanambe." Where do you get that information from? Military hardware? O.O

The info is not false. Its actually crystal clear to the naked eye (well if one is not blind)..


In facts .
1. FARDC Supreme Commander Kanambe appoints Rwandese Soldiers into FARDC,
2.Kanambe appoints Rwandese Soldiers as Generals in FARDC.
3.Kanambe appoints Rwandese as DG of OFIDA.
4.Kanambe appoints a Rwandese Senetor.
5.Kanambe appoints a Rwandese as Republic's General Police Cheif.

Etc..... Thats just a fraction of the List.

How can you say that it was no mistake? The result of what they did can be seen right now. The fragile peace was a mistake. I believe that is why they have decided not to have negociations with them. At least I see that they've learnt from the past. Peace with those men is useless.
The army should finish them. At least those that are on the congolese soil. It should be an eradication! And make sure to have patriotic soldiers.

Can a president be called patriotic when he decides to integrate Foreign Rapists, Mass , Genocideurs, Terrorists into the country's Institutions?

Someone has to be blind to think that that's fault or approve that.

[MBA-Congo]

KAMPALA



Western countries considered organising a coup d’état to get rid of Democratic Republic of Congo President Joseph Kabila, President Paul Kagame of Rwanda has said.

His comments, made Tuesday during a press conference in Kigali, come a fortnight after he made an impromptu visit to meet Uganda's President Museveni at State House Entebbe during which the two leaders discussed the deteriorating security situation in DR Congo.

Mr Kagame told reporters that his government, accused by Human Rights Watch of fuelling unrest in eastern DRC by allegedly supporting renegade Congolese leader Gen. Bosco Ntaganda, was privy to plans by some in the “so called international community” to overthrow President Kabila before last year’s election during which he was re-elected.

“I am going to spill some secrets to you”, Mr Kagame told journalists. Acting Foreign Affairs Minister Henry Okello Oryem told this newspaper Wednesday that Mr Kagame, would most certainly have shared such sensitive and classified information when he met President Museveni recently.

Mr Oryem said Mr Kagame’s revelations about the coup attempt are supported by “evidence “and “precedent” and show just how far international powers can go to change governments in Africa to suit their economic interests.

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“I wouldn’t be surprised because there is irrefutable precedent,” said Mr Oryem. “The CIA [America’s Central Intelligence Agency] was greatly involved in the death of Patrice Lumumba [DRC’s independence leader].” He added: “We are aware how some western countries were involved in assisting Idi Amin to overthrow the Obote government. These are things which are possible and there is evidence.”

Mr Lumumba, the first legally elected prime minister of the DRC, was assassinated 51 years ago on January 17, 1961. Mr Kagame admitted he was incensed by constant attempts by international powers to hold Rwanda responsible for whatever goes wrong in the DRC.

“Rwanda cannot take responsibility for Congo’s problems,” he said. “The continued presence of FDLR in DRC has been ignored even as they cause suffering to Congolese and focus has now turned to capturing Bosco Ntaganda. But what we fail to understand is why they elect to drag Rwanda into this when everyone knows this is supposed to be a Congolese problem.”

Mr Kagame made an impromptu visit to Kampala a fortnight ago to meet President Museveni, current chair of the International Conference on the Great Lakes Region, over the crisis in eastern DRC.

That meeting, Mr Oryem said, discussed possible ways of “avoiding this situation to escalate and get out of hand.”

He said plans are underway to arrange a meeting “very soon” of all foreign affairs ministers in the region “to discuss the situation in the DRC and give a report to the Presidents on what steps should be taken.”

egyezaho@ug.nationmedia.com

Kabila should go direct for the throat, the man is already losing it.

[MBA-Congo]

Originally Posted by preme3000

Kanambe needs to go.

The people that suffer the most firsthand are in the Kivus and they voted for Kanambe to go, that is the start of resolving the issues. Congo's issues are not isolated to the Kivus and the problems didn't just appear, "M23" did not just form overnight, lack of governance is the true problem.

Kanambe did not create the problems either but has for 11 years proved to be highly incompetent and unable to perform at his job even 10%. Either that or he is an accomplice just playing his part. He has actually added to the problems in so many ways it is unbelievable. He has directly worked and coorporated with the same elements that are attacking the country, etc.

Will the all problems disappear once he is gone?
The honest answer is no but we will get an opportunity to get back on track and at least start laying the groundworks for the future.

Mende is a clown, corrupt to the core just like the rest and a traitor. We have been have been alert or vigilant or whatever term you want to use have been treated like enemies of our own country.

4+1 and 5 years of opposition rainbow coalition ain't to blame on why some might feel like being treatedY like enemies in our own country. I am surprised that the opp hasn't started crowing in like scavengers already. The right and just in Congo are overwhelming the majority who voted in the last election and put Kabila to his right place and now we can get rid of this rainbow coalition of profiteers. Imagine how far we could of been of the degenerates such as mlc and RCd were not at the table the greatest backstabbers in Congo on the same table, how far were you expecting us to go? At leAst now we are marching on a straight path.

[Broda-Man]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

The info is not false. Its actually crystal clear to the naked eye (well if one is not blind)..

In facts .
1. FARDC Supreme Commander Kanambe appoints Rwandese Soldiers into FARDC,
2.Kanambe appoints Rwandese Soldiers as Generals in FARDC.
3.Kanambe appoints Rwandese as DG of OFIDA.
4.Kanambe appoints a Rwandese Senetor.
5.Kanambe appoints a Rwandese as Republic's General Police Cheif.

Etc..... Thats just a fraction of the List.

Can a president be called patriotic when he decides to integrate Foreign Rapists, Mass , Genocideurs, Terrorists into the country's Institutions?

Someone has to be blind to think that that's fault or approve that.

Hardware??
Don't look at the origin. Are they congolese or not?


But Butembo don't forget that since the 60s and even before rwandese have been migrating into this country. Yesterday i saw un Depute national who looked and even.spoke like a rwandese. He's origins are definetely from there but he is congolese. How come? There are many possibilities. Maybe he became congolese from 60 or was born on the congolese soil, doesn't that make him a congolese? The possibilities are wide.

Now for the soldiers that is something else. I agree that it wasn't the best idea. But calling him non-patriotic? What have you done for your country that is patriotic compared to him?
How do you describe being patriotic?

[preme3000]

Originally Posted by Broda-Man

That's quite a point. They were "During the elections in November 2011, these guys were reinforced materialistically (new military hardware from Kigali) and with manpower (Rwandan soldiers) to force the population to vote for Kanambe." Where do you get that information from? Military hardware? O.O

How can you say that it was no mistake? The result of what they did can be seen right now. The fragile peace was a mistake. I believe that is why they have decided not to have negociations with them. At least I see that they've learnt from the past. Peace with those men is useless.
The army should finish them. At least those that are on the congolese soil. It should be an eradication! And make sure to have patriotic soldiers.

The UN reports and other sources in DRC, the UN report is on the net. I have actually posted some of those reports on here but most forumers do not bother reading referenced material but I can find the report again or google it so that you can research it in depth yourself.

It was no mistake, more like orders or a strategy from the western proxy Kigali or whoever rules DRC. To do something once is a mistake, twice maybe, three time is stupidity but to contintue to do the same things again and again means it is being done on purpose. Read about the Kimia operations, the intergration of the Rwandans, the personnel make up of the R.G).

The only eradication that needs to take place is Kanambe.

[preme3000]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

4+1 and 5 years of opposition rainbow coalition ain't to blame on why some might feel like being treatedY like enemies in our own country. I am surprised that the opp hasn't started crowing in like scavengers already. The right and just in Congo are overwhelming the majority who voted in the last election and put Kabila to his right place and now we can get rid of this rainbow coalition of profiteers. Imagine how far we could of been of the degenerates such as mlc and RCd were not at the table the greatest backstabbers in Congo on the same table, how far were you expecting us to go? At leAst now we are marching on a straight path.

Typical Congolese answer, an excuse for everything. We are a failure as a country and need to change what is obviously not working, it is that simple. That is how the whole world works, you get a chance, you fail, you go.

The people voted for the old guy but the elections were stolen.

I was expecting security in the country after a over a decade in power but the puppet has not delivered, maybe in his head he has because he has spent the last few years telling the world that the Kivus are pacified. The Kivu family voted for a change of leadership which should tell you everything.

[preme3000]

Originally Posted by Broda-Man

Hardware??
Don't look at the origin. Are they congolese or not?


But Butembo don't forget that since the 60s and even before rwandese have been migrating into this country. Yesterday i saw un Depute national who looked and even.spoke like a rwandese. He's origins are definetely from there but he is congolese. How come? There are many possibilities. Maybe he became congolese from 60 or was born on the congolese soil, doesn't that make him a congolese? The possibilities are wide.

Now for the soldiers that is something else. I agree that it wasn't the best idea. But calling him non-patriotic? What have you done for your country that is patriotic compared to him?
How do you describe being patriotic?

It is correct that Rwandans have been going in and out of DRC and vice versa for decades but here we are talking about a straight forward issue. Currently, there are many Congolese in EA.

Bosco Ntaganda is from Rwanda and was with Kagame in the 90s. His group are controlled from Kigali, and again, they worked directly with Kanambe.

Only when they so called international community made noise did the DRC government take any action, he has been and will be well protected by Kanambe.

[SUNS 25]

Salut à Tous,

J'aimerais savoir, dans la constitution Congolaise, le poste de Président de la République est il limité?

[Broda-Man]

Originally Posted by preme3000

It is correct that Rwandans have been going in and out of DRC and vice versa for decades but here we are talking about a straight forward issue. Currently, there are many Congolese in EA.

Bosco Ntaganda is from Rwanda and was with Kagame in the 90s. His group are controlled from Kigali, and again, they worked directly with Kanambe.

Only when they so called international community made noise did the DRC government take any action, he has been and will be well protected by Kanambe.

Butembo not really. He seems to target anyone that sounds or looks like a rwandese.
I do not about Bosco but I consider him as a Rwandese national. So yeah, in that case he is correct. Recently tele50 published a note saying that the name of one of Bosco's close collaborateur wasn't the congolese name that he had but a name that was more from Rwanda. But does that make him a Rwandese? Probably yes, because i do not understand why he would hide he's real identity if he was congolese. So this issue of Rwandese being congolese is quite tricky to know.
They might have worked together, fine. Yes they acted when IC made noise. There's nothing to say about that.

[MBA-Congo]

Originally Posted by preme3000

Typical Congolese answer, an excuse for everything. We are a failure as a country and need to change what is obviously not working, it is that simple. That is how the whole world works, you get a chance, you fail, you go.

The people voted for the old guy but the elections were stolen.

I was expecting security in the country after a over a decade in power but the puppet has not delivered, maybe in his head he has because he has spent the last few years telling the world that the Kivus are pacified. The Kivu family voted for a change of leadership which should tell you everything.

Mulumba didn't even get second place in Kivu. Kabila won the election the sooner we accept this the sooner we are led to victory. Security in the country begins with confidence and not letting others discrimating views cloud a clear cut path. 4+1 and the rainbow coalition is done and the current defense minister is one to not mess with the neighbors know. How hard is it to cross borders?

[Karavia]

Si monsieur Tshisekedi , le plus radicale des Congolais fait à nouveau confiance à la Justice Congolaise, alors suivez le guide.....

[MBA-Congo]

President Paul Kagame’s threat that he will release General Laurent Nkunda should have regional leaders worried about the risk of an explosion of unrest in Democratic Republic of Congo that could spill over into the entire region.



Rwanda is battling fresh accusations from the UN Stabilisation Mission in the DR Congo and the Congolese government, that it is backing Bosco Ntaganda, Nkunda’s former chief-of-staff and successor.

Ntaganda is wanted by The Hague-based International Criminal Court to answer war crimes charges. He broke away from the Congolese government army, into which he had integrated his troops in 2009, in April this year.

According to a furious President Kagame, in a two-hour press conference in Kigali on Wednesday last week, DRC President Joseph Kabila had reneged on his promise to honour the integration process.

Rwanda had already denied the accusations and resorted to shuttle diplomacy between Kinshasa, Kampala and Kigali to try to resolve then matter with its eastern neighbour.

Two weeks ago, Congolese government spokesperson Lambert Mende accused Kigali of playing a “passive role” in the process while on the other hand facilitating training of hundreds of rebels fighting the regime.

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Last week, Rwanda’s Foreign Affairs Minister, Louise Mushikiwabo, was in Kinshasa for talks. A week before, President Kagame visited his Ugandan counterpart for just over three hours.

Bickering

There have been other meetings involving the International Conference on the Great Lakes Region to try to find a solution to the latest round of bickering.

Rwanda arrested Nkunda, a Congolese ethnic Tutsi and former rebel leader of the National Congress for People’s Defence, on January 22,
2009, inside Rwanda where he had fled after clashes with a joint DR Congo-Rwanda force.


Until his arrest, General Nkunda, had inflicted a series of defeats on the Congolese army and was rapidly increasing the territory under his control. His uprising sparked a conflict in eastern Congo that sucked in six neighbouring countries — among them Rwanda, Uganda, Angola and Zimbabwe.


The conflict soon degenerated into a fight for resources and subsequently inspired the deployment of the $1.2 billion per year UN Stabilisation Mission.


President Kagame said that “if this nonsense continues,” Rwanda would have no option but to withdraw from all efforts aimed at returning peace to eastern Congo, and if necessary release Gen Laurent Nkunda.

“We are coming to a point where if this nonsense continues — on one hand you want Rwanda to be helpful, on the other hand you are putting all the blame on our shoulders — we shall offload all these problems that have been put on our shoulders and throw them back at them,” a visibly angry Kagame said.

“One way of doing it is, we will reach a point of saying, ‘Take this man [Nkunda] we are holding here,’ or we tell him ‘go wherever you want to go,’” President Kagame said.

Kagame was responding, for the first time, to the Monusco accusations. According to him, if the UN mission had not failed in its primary mission to deal with the Interahamwe genocidaires operating there, eastern Congo would look a whole very different today.



“A situation has been created where Congo’s problems are Rwanda’s problems and not only that, actually that they have been caused by Rwanda and when everything else has failed, Rwanda must be held accountable for Congo,” President Kagame said.

“But ultimately we will be forced into a situation where we just draw a line and say ‘Well, if you don’t want us to be useful, if you don’t want us to participate in finding a solution and you are just creating false grounds to blackmail us, we don’t respond to blackmail,’” President Kagame warned.

Since Nkunda’s arrest, which nearly everyone welcomed as a solution to one of the major impediments to restoring normalcy in eastern Congo, he has been confined in a location the Rwandan government has remained reluctant to reveal and no charges have been brought against him.

Ethnicity

When the Congolese government issued an international warrant for his arrest over allegations of war crimes and crimes against humanity and insurrection, Rwanda refused to hand him over. Kigali fears that he is unlikely to be fairly tried or at worst might simply be killed for his ethnicity, a scenario President Kagame made clear Rwanda won’t be party to.

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Yet some have suggested the real reason could be the fear of what would be revealed in a full trial, given that Nkunda may well have been Rwanda’s proxy in the DR Congo in his heyday. His rebel outfit, formed in 2003 to protect Congolese ethnic Tutsi like himself, took it as its mission to fight against the same Hutu militias that the Rwandan government is pursuing.

the beauty three heads at once. Let their blood flow down the valley so the dead can quench their thirst and let those who stand with them bring the slaughter of their cattle to feed the orphan. Oh god we're going to kill this people, sweet Jesus the beauty.

[Pius]

Originally Posted by Karavia

Si monsieur shisekedi , le plus radicale des Congolais fait à nouveau confiance à la Justice Congolaise, alors suivez le guide.....

J’ose espérer (contre toute évidence) que cette lettre n’est pas authentique car si elle l’est, cela signifie que la RDC à évité de justesse une « catastrophe démocratique » en n’élisant pas le candidat numéro onze à la magistrature suprême. En effet, comment expliquer qu’une décision aussi grave que la suspension du Secrétaire général du parti, membre de l'organe exécutif, soit prise d’une manière unilatérale par une seule personne – fût-elle président du parti – pour des faits impliquant l’auteur de la décision en qualité de plaignant, ce qui lui confère le double rôle de juge et partie ? Que prévoient les statuts et le règlement intérieur de l’Udps en matière de litiges et de sanctions ? Est-ce que dans ce parti politique la personne et les actes du président sont au-dessus des textes statutaires et réglementaires ? Si c’est le cas, est-ce le modèle qu’on allait imposer aux Congolais ?

[BUTEMBO21]

Thing i always said is that this country doesn't have political parties. Its rather personal groups.

Once Tshitshi is retired, so will UDPS (look at what the party was when Tshitshi was in hospital). Once there is no more JOKA, there will be no more PPRD. Just like what has become MLC (as it leader has been isolated), just like MPR after Mobutu retirement.

We still have a long way to go for the country to have real political parties.


Anyways. Did Tshi send Shabani to his Gov's Judge or to JOKA's Gov's Judge?

[Pius]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Anyways. Did Tshi send Shabani to his Gov's Judge or to JOKA's Gov's Judge?

Good question!

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by Pius

Good question!

I smell propaganda. He must have sent him to his own General Prosecutor (if he has one, LOL) , but PPRD so fast to say he was sent to JOKA Gov (which he does not recognize ).

It would be one of the the biggest joke of the century for Tshi (who says is the President) to sent his party Sec to someone he doesn't recognize a "Zongisa ye na Rwanda" Gov's court.

[Karavia]

Originally Posted by Pius

J’ose espérer (contre toute évidence) que cette lettre n’est pas authentique car si elle l’est, cela signifie que la RDC à évité de justesse une « catastrophe démocratique » en n’élisant pas le candidat numéro onze à la magistrature suprême. En effet, comment expliquer qu’une décision aussi grave que la suspension du Secrétaire général du parti, membre de l'organe exécutif, soit prise d’une manière unilatérale par une seule personne – fût-elle président du parti – pour des faits impliquant l’auteur de la décision en qualité de plaignant, ce qui lui confère le double rôle de juge et partie ? Que prévoient les statuts et le règlement intérieur de l’Udps en matière de litiges et de sanctions ? Est-ce que dans ce parti politique la personne et les actes du président sont au-dessus des textes statutaires et réglementaires ? Si c’est le cas, est-ce le modèle qu’on allait imposer aux Congolais ?

La lettre est bien authentique car elle est publiée sur le site officiel de l'UDPS et le nom de celui qui va assurer l'interim est aussi connu, à savoir Bruno Mavungu Puati.

http://www.udps.be/udps/

Après combien de temps s'est tenu le premier et seul congrès de l'UDPS?