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Elsongs · June 23rd, 2012, 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by klamedia

It's not the geography of LA that makes it "spread out", it's the philosophy. Besides is SF spread out?

...

The notion that LA is spread out is based on an unequal comparison where the entire metropolitan area for Los Angeles is included where the metropolitan areas for other cities are excluded.

The City of SF is denser than the city of Los Angeles.

But the Bay Area is waaaaay more spread out than metropolitan Los Angeles.

What cracks me up is when some Bay Area people start bitching about how LA is inferior to SF, usually because it's more "spread out" and that "everybody needs a car here." Then I ask them where they live or where they are from in SF.

Typical answers:

"Burlingame"

"Palo Alto"

"Daly City"

"Emeryville"

"Pleasanton"

"Vallejo"

pesto · June 24th, 2012, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by PinkFloyd

LA Downtown News

New Federal Office Building Planned at Civic Center Site

Full article here: http://www.ladowntownnews.com/news/n...9bb2963f4.html

Interesting. The creative funding that Roybal praises so much is a form of borrowing at super-high interest rates and big profits for the developer. At taxpayer expense natch (buy, hey, it keeps it off budget and that's the name of the game, eh?).

pesto · June 24th, 2012, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elsongs

The City of SF is denser than the city of Los Angeles.

But the Bay Area is waaaaay more spread out than metropolitan Los Angeles.

What cracks me up is when some Bay Area people start bitching about how LA is inferior to SF, usually because it's more "spread out" and that "everybody needs a car here." Then I ask them where they live or where they are from in SF.

Typical answers:

"Burlingame"

"Palo Alto"

"Daly City"

"Emeryville"

"Pleasanton"

"Vallejo"

Very true. Most people forget that 90 percent of the Bay Area do not live in SF; and that the outer counties are the fastest growing.

The total population of "downtown" SF (NE corner of the city) is probably 2-300k. Nice city but very small. The rest of the city and practically all the other cities (except for some areas of Oakland and SJ and "old towns") are suburban or rural.

slipperydog · November 14th, 2012, 03:49 AM

SOM wins the design competition for the $400 million courthouse

pesto · November 14th, 2012, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by slipperydog

SOM wins the design competition for the $400 million courthouse

Still no word on height, design, etc.?

klamedia · November 15th, 2012, 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Elsongs

The City of SF is denser than the city of Los Angeles.

But the Bay Area is waaaaay more spread out than metropolitan Los Angeles.

What cracks me up is when some Bay Area people start bitching about how LA is inferior to SF, usually because it's more "spread out" and that "everybody needs a car here." Then I ask them where they live or where they are from in SF.

Typical answers:

"Burlingame"

"Palo Alto"

"Daly City"

"Emeryville"

"Pleasanton"

"Vallejo"

SF is 49 sq miles. When you take 49 sq miles of LA's central core it is the same population and density as SF. IOW, if you overlay SF on LA's central core it would stretch from Downtown to and including West Hollywood. From Hollywood excluding Griffith Park (as we exclude Golden Gate Park) to about the 10. This IS the city of SF within LA.

slipperydog · December 10th, 2012, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pesto

Still no word on height, design, etc.?

blackcat23 · December 11th, 2012, 06:07 AM

Not an architectural stunner, not an eyesore. The older designs were more ambitious, but I can't complain too much.

As I pointed out on SSP, this rendering also shows what appears to be a stand in for the federal office building that the GSA hopes to build next door. Small 5-6 floor building on the 2nd street side of the block.

It's also nice to see that the building will only have 110 parking spots. At least the GSA seems to realize that there is already enough publicly available parking in downtown. Plus this thing will literally be across the street from a subway station.

milquetoast · December 11th, 2012, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by milquetoast

The Lloyd George Courthouse here
in Las Vegas is about 450,000 sq. feet,
at 8 stories. 600,000 is not much more.

Take a look at some of the courthouses
in Minneapolis or St. Louis - huge affairs!

And Los Angeles' CDCA is the largest
federal district in the country ... hmmm.

Why, I think that's the cutest little blue box I've ever seen!

pesto · December 11th, 2012, 07:15 PM

Is this where Federal architecture is at these days? Looks like they're still in the age of the monolith, whose symoblism is power, impenetrability and detachment from the human. I would have hoped that a government courthouse would have looked for a design that is more reflective of openness and humility (to say nothing of justice, mercy and redemption) than unopposable power.

Yeah, I know, better than an empty lot.

croyboy · December 11th, 2012, 11:06 PM

It's also L.A.'s civic center. The only building that relates to the human is the city hall. Sure the other ones may be nice, but the grounds are still very intimidating... I even have to say about the new LAPD headquarters... Nice building. Can't even bring myself to walk on it's property.

pesto · December 12th, 2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by croyboy

It's also L.A.'s civic center. The only building that relates to the human is the city hall. Sure the other ones may be nice, but the grounds are still very intimidating... I even have to say about the new LAPD headquarters... Nice building. Can't even bring myself to walk on it's property.

Agreed. My point was not so much a criticism of DT as much as wondering whether architects are still building in the high modernist mode when the big movement has been toward openness and the human. This is not difficult to do for smaller buildings. I guess neutral looking is best for one-off buildings in built-up areas but they didn't have to go pure cube. Maybe it's better when we get more details.

***LosAngelesSportsFan*** · December 12th, 2012, 09:28 PM

i feel like this rendering is juuuuuust missing the mark.. the street connection, quite frankly, sucks, as does the lower portion of the building, but i do like the cladding and overall look. hopefully it can be tweeked

***Kenny*** · December 13th, 2012, 05:37 AM

Eh, most of the money is going to the security features. The height is unfortunate, but something is something.

***soup or man*** · December 13th, 2012, 05:53 PM

milquetoast · December 18th, 2012, 10:25 AM

Okay, I'm warming up to it.
These federal deals aren't supposed
to be street friendly as every time I
approach the one in Las Vegas it is
a sobering, humble experience. The
interior is about what it shoud be I guess ...

maybe some exterior LEDs?

But, like everything nowadays .. too small.

Marco Polo · December 18th, 2012, 07:53 PM

I quite like it. Just hope it gets built!

PinkFloyd · December 19th, 2012, 04:18 AM

Here's What the DTLA Federal Courthouse Could've Looked Like

[Images courtesy McCarthy/HMC Architects/Brooks + Scarpa]

Last week, the US General Services Administration announced that it would hire Skidmore, Owings & Merrill to design a new federal courthouse on a weedy site at First and Broadway (they also released glassy-, boxy-looking renderings). SOM was up against three other design teams on the shortlist and now the Brooks + Scarpa/HMC Architects/McCarthy team has released its proposed plan, which will otherwise be lost to history. Their 320-foot tall building was "Inspired by the interweaving of a grand natural arch embedded with a memory of the scales of Lady Justice who represents the allegorical personification of the moral force of our judicial systems … As the visitor approaches they will discover that the acanthus leaf pattern ornaments both the precast and the glazing, creating a connection to the iconic Corinthian columns at the entry to the U.S. Supreme Court — an interpretation in modern materials that connects to the best traditions of American justice."

Source: Curbed LA

blackcat23 · December 19th, 2012, 10:45 AM

Originally, I was okay with the SOM design since I figured it was the best of a several bad proposals. I would have much preferred this design. This building itself isn't really a stunner, but the perimeter landscaping makes a huge difference. Looks much more inviting than the Death Star like monstrosity SOM designed.

pesto · December 19th, 2012, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by blackcat23

Originally, I was okay with the SOM design since I figured it was the best of a several bad proposals. I would have much preferred this design. This building itself isn't really a stunner, but the perimeter landscaping makes a huge difference. Looks much more inviting than the Death Star like monstrosity SOM designed.

Agreed. It's not a money or security issue; it's not trying hard enough.

December 11th, 2012, 11:06 PM	#51
croyboy Registered User Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,031 Likes (Received): 2	It's also L.A.'s civic center. The only building that relates to the human is the city hall. Sure the other ones may be nice, but the grounds are still very intimidating... I even have to say about the new LAPD headquarters... Nice building. Can't even bring myself to walk on it's property. __________________ just build it, whatever it is

December 13th, 2012, 05:53 PM	#55
*soup or man* Diamondz... Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chicago, Illinois Posts: 3,386 Likes (Received): 35	__________________ My strap on my vibrator about to bust a rhyme no violator. I feel myself I'm a masturbator.

December 19th, 2012, 04:18 AM	#58
PinkFloyd Bullshat Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Greater Los Angeles Posts: 423 Likes (Received): 168	*Here's What the DTLA Federal Courthouse Could've* Looked Like** [Images courtesy McCarthy/HMC Architects/Brooks + Scarpa] Last week, the US General Services Administration announced that it would hire Skidmore, Owings & Merrill to design a new federal courthouse on a weedy site at First and Broadway (they also released glassy-, boxy-looking renderings). SOM was up against three other design teams on the shortlist and now the Brooks + Scarpa/HMC Architects/McCarthy team has released its proposed plan, which will otherwise be lost to history. Their 320-foot tall building was "Inspired by the interweaving of a grand natural arch embedded with a memory of the scales of Lady Justice who represents the allegorical personification of the moral force of our judicial systems … As the visitor approaches they will discover that the acanthus leaf pattern ornaments both the precast and the glazing, creating a connection to the iconic Corinthian columns at the entry to the U.S. Supreme Court — an interpretation in modern materials that connects to the best traditions of American justice." Source: Curbed LA __________________ Let's cause some trouble now...

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November 14th, 2012, 03:49 AM	#44
slipperydog Registered User Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,794 Likes (Received): 40	SOM wins the design competition for the $400 million courthouse

December 11th, 2012, 06:07 AM	#48
blackcat23 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 285 Likes (Received): 67	Not an architectural stunner, not an eyesore. The older designs were more ambitious, but I can't complain too much. As I pointed out on SSP, this rendering also shows what appears to be a stand in for the federal office building that the GSA hopes to build next door. Small 5-6 floor building on the 2nd street side of the block. It's also nice to see that the building will only have 110 parking spots. At least the GSA seems to realize that there is already enough publicly available parking in downtown. Plus this thing will literally be across the street from a subway station.

December 11th, 2012, 07:15 PM	#50
pesto Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 3,162 Likes (Received): 26	Is this where Federal architecture is at these days? Looks like they're still in the age of the monolith, whose symoblism is power, impenetrability and detachment from the human. I would have hoped that a government courthouse would have looked for a design that is more reflective of openness and humility (to say nothing of justice, mercy and redemption) than unopposable power. Yeah, I know, better than an empty lot.

December 12th, 2012, 09:28 PM	#53
*LosAngelesSportsFan* Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 2,921 Likes (Received): 15	i feel like this rendering is juuuuuust missing the mark.. the street connection, quite frankly, sucks, as does the lower portion of the building, but i do like the cladding and overall look. hopefully it can be tweeked

December 13th, 2012, 05:37 AM	#54
*Kenny* SSC Super Moderator Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Los Angeles \| San Salvador Posts: 18,212 Likes (Received): 486	Eh, most of the money is going to the security features. The height is unfortunate, but something is something.

December 18th, 2012, 10:25 AM	#56
milquetoast L O S A N G E L E S Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Henderson NV Posts: 5,294 Likes (Received): 24	Okay, I'm warming up to it. These federal deals aren't supposed to be street friendly as every time I approach the one in Las Vegas it is a sobering, humble experience. The interior is about what it shoud be I guess ... maybe some exterior LEDs? But, like everything nowadays .. too small.

December 18th, 2012, 07:53 PM	#57
Marco Polo Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 4,322 Likes (Received): 37	I quite like it. Just hope it gets built!

December 19th, 2012, 10:45 AM	#59
blackcat23 Registered User Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 285 Likes (Received): 67	Originally, I was okay with the SOM design since I figured it was the best of a several bad proposals. I would have much preferred this design. This building itself isn't really a stunner, but the perimeter landscaping makes a huge difference. Looks much more inviting than the Death Star like monstrosity SOM designed.