Liverpool in the media

[design_man]

Liverpool is back on google maps! I don't know if my email helped or not (did anyone else write?) but it's back on the map as a big city. Fantastic!

[Medi73#!]

Originally Posted by design_man

Liverpool is back on google maps! I don't know if my email helped or not (did anyone else write?) but it's back on the map as a big city. Fantastic!

Well done, I support your efforts on this issue, because it goes deeper than a mention on a map, it's about the city's identity and geographical status has everything to do with that. When Liverpool's postal address on material items was replaced witb 'Warrington' I considered it to be a personal slap in the face. This kind of downgrading of the city is a deep insult and matters a lot.

[MR KITE]

Originally Posted by Joe the red

But too many people won't be arsed to research the facts and will take the rantings of a sad and prejudiced man as being the truth.

A Boyle that needs to be lanced.

Survey of Liverpool’s Black teachers reveals culture of prejudice
02 Jul 2012
A survey of Liverpool’s tiny population of black teachers has revealed a culture of racial prejudice and discrimination both in finding jobs and getting promotion.

The study was carried out by Professor Bill Boyle and Marie Charles from The University of Manchester, which also details the harrowing experiences of some of the teachers as black pupils themselves.

http://www.manchester.ac.uk/aboutus/...splay/?id=8466

[Awayo]

Obviously their first press release did not create enough of an racist, anti-Liverpool shitstorm in the national media so they have tried to promote the exact same "research" again only weeks later, this time with carefully selected quotes gathered together for maximum smear effect.

[Medi73#!]

agreed, they would be better looking closer to home at the alarming rise in anti semtic attacks in salford

[Medi73#!]

agreed they would be better off examining the alarming rise in anti semitic attacks in salford

[Gazman]

Originally Posted by Medi73#!

agreed they would be better off examining the alarming rise in anti semitic attacks in salford

More anti semitic crimes than in London I believe.

I'd like to nominate The Boyle to conduct this independent inquiry

http://www.unitetheunion.org/news__e...nto_racis.aspx

[chameleontel]

Originally Posted by Medi73#!

agreed they would be better off examining the alarming rise in anti semitic attacks in salford

This needs to be addressed, the thriving/growing Jewish community is a huge asset to Manchester. I'm sure they will cope though, they've dealt with worse.

[bluesnapper]

Ian Brady has had a seizure and has been moved to Aintree Hospital.

BBC New Channel is reporting live outside the hospital with the pictures labelled 'LIVE Salford' in the top left hand corner.

[tomo90]

On ITV it said Liverpool.

[EuxTex]

Originally Posted by bluesnapper

Ian Brady has had a seizure and has been moved to Aintree Hospital.

BBC New Channel is reporting live outside the hospital with the pictures labelled 'LIVE Salford' in the top left hand corner.

Good!!!!

Originally Posted by tomo90

On ITV it said Liverpool.

Not so good!!!!

[Pieter]

Originally Posted by Medi73#!

agreed they would be better off examining the alarming rise in anti semitic attacks in salford

Both these 'researchers' hail from Liverpool (I know them). There is a valid point they have raised but there is no rigour in the research and it's been done from a lazy comparison of two figures and a few cheap quotes.

[bluesnapper]

Originally Posted by bluesnapper

Ian Brady has had a seizure and has been moved to Aintree Hospital.

BBC New Channel is reporting live outside the hospital with the pictures labelled 'LIVE Salford' in the top left hand corner.

Still the same labelling.

[Rock Savage]

Originally Posted by chameleontel

This needs to be addressed, the thriving/growing Jewish community is a huge asset to Manchester. I'm sure they will cope though, they've dealt with worse.

I do not know which part of that statement the average Jewish person would find most offensive.

I also think that it reads far worse than you intended!

[Rock Savage]

Originally Posted by Pieter

Both these 'researchers' hail from Liverpool (I know them). There is a valid point they have raised but there is no rigour in the research and it's been done from a lazy comparison of two figures and a few cheap quotes.

Lazy indeed. The fact they are from Liverpool is irrelevant.

Survey of Liverpool’s Black teachers reveals culture of prejudice

“Liverpool is a city which has long viewed black children as an educational problem and a threat to the educational standards of the white community."

So Liverpool as a city believes this? Since when?

Some comments from the survey

‘I am at the point where I want out of teaching...I applied for five deputy headteacher positions last year and from every single one of them of them I did not get shortlisted. I showed my application form to my old headteacher and a previous head in another school and they both said that with that application I should be getting called for interview at least.’

“When I do something, I do not get the credit . . . . "

I am sure that many white teachers feel exactly the same.

‘I suffered horrendous racism, I was in a predominantly white school and you don’t realise as a child what is happening . . . . '

“When I worked in my last school I had some children when I told them off they came out with ‘******, you can’t tell me off you ******!’. . . .

Horrible things to happen but how is this relevant to teaching positions?

“Racial discrimination is very common. Some teachers discriminate openly. One of my colleagues withdrew from the training programme because of it.”

If it were that open, then any black teacher so abused would walk straight into a six figure court settlement. And rightly so. But where are the court cases?

“I feel that Black people need to work in schools more- I have never been taught by a black person which worries me.”

Is it just me, or is that statement bordering on racist itself? A white person would never be allowed to complain at not being taught by a white teacher.

This really is the kind of output that the public relations people at Liverpool City Council should jump upon from a very great height. The paper merely seems to serve its own purpose in that it wanted its research to meet its conclusion rather than vice versa.

To end on a positive note, perhaps this should warrant an investigation as to how many young black kids in the city with the requisite ability wish to get into teaching. Perhaps the main thing that is required is simply more encouragement from existing role models etc?

From a personal point of view, I do know a recently retired Asian teacher who rose to a very high level from humble beginnings at a time when it was, in all honesty, much more problematical.

[Rock Savage]

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[albionfagan]

Whilst I've given my opinion on this before, and I think some are too keen to just point at someone else rather the actually look at this, the comparison with London is absurd, there is a far higher Black population there and areas which are nearly 50% black.

[Rock Savage]

Originally Posted by albionfagan

Whilst I've given my opinion on this before, and I think some are too keen to just point at someone else rather the actually look at this, the comparison with London is absurd, there is a far higher Black population there and areas which are nearly 50% black.

Which is exactly why the council public relations people should be jumping through hoops. As we are all too aware, lasting damage is all too often done by the laziest journalism/research.

And that is not to deny that the region could do better in this, and a whole range of other indicators.

[design_man]

Originally Posted by Pieter

...there is a valid point they have raised but there is no rigour in the research and it's been done from a lazy comparison of two figures and a few cheap quotes.

I hope you are wrong, and that there is a lot of rigour. They have attacked an entire city (including its minority ethnic people and communities) with what purports to be new evidence and serious scholarship. That is what provides them with a public platform. That is why the press cover what they say, whereas they would never publicise the "findings" of a mere propagandist who lacked credible evidence.

So the scholarship has be first rate to justify this level of attack, for example any survey sample has to be robust, its structure understood, its limitations, biases and representativeness explained - if it is to credibly support the weight given to it, and if this empirical evidence is in turn to support serious conclusions. The burden is a high one when you disseminate such inflammatory and critical findings, you need a lot of strong evidence, and nothing flimsy will suffice.

Any serious journal publishing their paper would look poor, and its editorial standards and board members second-rate, if they knowingly published a polemical piece based on inadequate or shoddy research. The institution that sponsors them and promotes their findings and conclusions through its press office would look poor if they were purveying shoddy research.

The stakes are too high for second-rate or shoddy work to be involved. You don't attack an entire city in this way, and publicise it in this way, unless you have bullet proof evidence. Not when you depend on students from that same area to help fill your courses, and not when you are needing to establish academic credibility in a highly competitive market place for academic prestige.

I'd like to read their paper. Has anyone got a copy?

[chameleontel]

Originally Posted by Rock Savage

I do not know which part of that statement the average Jewish person would find most offensive.

I also think that it reads far worse than you intended!

On rereading my post I can understand how it could appear 'insensitive', this was most definitely not my intention. When I left school in 1974 I went to work as an apprentice photographer at a small Jewish, family run business. I was with them for seven years and became almost part of their family, and part of the local Jewish community.

I have immense respect for these people. I think it will take more than a few racist scumbags to to harm their community, however, it does need to be addressed.......I'll get me coat.