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Old June 29th, 2012, 10:02 AM   #1
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Old June 29th, 2012, 10:03 AM   #2
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ok you guys must be wondering why i created this thread right but heres the thing before it was busy but after it was moved its no longer busy so ive decided to try this ok
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Old June 29th, 2012, 10:05 AM   #3
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Laos hopes to launch satellite by 2015

A Chinese investor and the Lao government have inked a joint-venture agreement to develop a Lao satellite project, a minister has said.

A master agreement for the US$960 million project, signed last week, is 70 percent funded by the investor and 30 percent funded by the Lao government.

“We already signed the master agreement, and discussions on the details of project development will be our next step,” Minister of Post and Telecommunications Hiem Phommachanh told the Vientiane Times yesterday.

Mr Hiem said agreements on project development details, including commercialisation, are expected in the near future.

The government hopes to launch the satellite by 2015 to mark the 40th anniversary of the founding of the Lao People's Democratic Republic.

The Lao government owns the rights to one fully coordinated BSS Orbital Slot at the location 126 degrees east, where the project will be developed.

The US$960 million will also cover the construction cost of operation and research facilities. Vientiane will calculate the value of orbit ownership rights for its contribution to the share, Mr Hiem said. The project will provide 36 transponders for TV signals, which can provide services to many countries.

The Lao satellite project has been in the making for some time. Previously, Laos had joint-ventured with Thai investors to launch a satellite into this orbit, but the Thai investor's financial troubles led to its collapse. Later, the government inked a cooperation agreement with US investors but that too failed due to the same problem, Mr Hiem said.

He said Laos also plans to place a satellite in the 128.5 degree east orbit, and the government intends to ask Beijing for a loan to realise the US$258 million project.

The loan will be used to purchase the satellite and pay the launch costs. It will provide 22 transponders for both television and telephone signal transmission. The Lao government signed an agreement with a Chinese company in December to develop the 128.5 degree project. Director General of the ministry's Telecommunications Department, Mr Somlith Phouthonsy, told the Vientiane Times the agreement to secure the loan from China's Exim Bank to develop the project is expected t o be signed next month.







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http://www.vientianetimes.org.la/Fre...Laos_hopes.htm

ok this is the most recent news i posted from before so lets start here
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Old June 29th, 2012, 10:06 AM   #4
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when you guys post news here if i feel bothered i will copy it to the lao forum for other forumers to view
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another reason these threads should be here is because some members from other forums dont visit the 2 other forums but may come to this subforum so chances are they might view thes threads
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Old July 1st, 2012, 09:53 PM   #6
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After I have a chance to talk with the senior officer of SRT who has involved with Lao Railway project during the special trip to Khorat Loco Depot, I got the following info


1. Viengchan station for passengers is just 100 meter away from Lao ITTEC since it is just 1.5 km away from Viengchan City Center

2. The station near National University of Laos at Dong Dok is a cargo station for products from China since this station is about 10 km from
Viengchan City Center

3. Thailand needs to grant 50 Million Baht of loan to construction the facility and pipelines at Tha Nalaeng station to allow the oil train service across the border from Thai Oil refinery at Laem Chabang to Tha Nalaeng to allow the deposit of refined oil to Tha Nalaeng Oil Depot.


4. National University of Laos really get serious about opening of the faculty of Rail Transportation so they are importing the textbooks relating Rail Transports for serious studies

5. The reason why LPDR Politburo have to drag their own feet on the 7 Billion Dollars Lao -China railway project is due to the fact that the contract has so many strings strings attached which can render Lao people to become slaves of Mainland China
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5. The reason why LPDR Politburo have to drag their own feet on the 7 Billion Dollars Lao -China railway project is due to the fact that the contract has so many strings strings attached which can render Lao people to become slaves of Mainland China
Big budget investment with more strings attached, investment on a shoestring budget with less strings attached, business is business.

But the complaint sounds pretty weird if it's really what the Thai officer in SRT said, I'm dubious about its credibility of this statement if it's not from the Laos and I've never seen any Lao offcer voice complaint with the Lao-China railway project thru the various media. Just curious how this Thai officer's got known that those strings are the fact that will make the Laotians to be the slaves of China? This officer's put those strings to the test in some place to prove they are the fact to enslave people but where and when? Maybe he/she got informed from Lao officers but I'm also extremely skepital about Laotian govt would think that way or they would dismiss the contract in the first place.

I suppose the Lao-China high railway project offers the landlocked nation Laos an alternative choice as to exporting and importing and drown out some nations around Laos that Laos used to heavily rely on so they badmouth China but I dont think Laos would let this chance slip by. J/K

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It is important for Laos to have many alternative means of importing and exporting resources, but it is also important that the Laotian government should put national interest first by balancing what to gain and what to give. Since Vietnam has too much influence in decision making of the government, Thailand and China involvement in the land locked country should offer the balances. Business is business, but mass-immigration of Chinese people into Laos could be a challenging problem for Laotians generation to come like they have with the Vietnamese. However, they have no other choice.
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Big budget investment with more strings attached, investment on a shoestring budget with less strings attached, business is business.

But the complaint sounds pretty weird if it's really what the Thai officer in SRT said, I'm dubious about its credibility of this statement if it's not from the Laos and I've never seen any Lao offcer voice complaint with the Lao-China railway project thru the various media. Just curious how this Thai officer's got known that those strings are the fact that will make the Laotians to be the slaves of China? This officer's put those strings to the test in some place to prove they are the fact to enslave people but where and when? Maybe he/she got informed from Lao officers but I'm also extremely skepital about Laotian govt would think that way or they would dismiss the contract in the first place.

I suppose the Lao-China high railway project offers the landlocked nation Laos an alternative choice as to exporting and importing and drown out some nations around Laos that Laos used to heavily rely on so they badmouth China but I dont think Laos would let this chance slip by. J/K
It is all about playing around with Geo-Politic balance issue to gain the interests from all sides - not throwing the support to one side too much ... Even shoestrings can become tightening nooses anyway ...

LPDR does not want to offense the big men from the mainland China by openly declining the deal with lots of tightening nooses around their necks. At least Thai deals has less noose to deal with (1.65 Billion Baht of Thai project vs. 210 Billion Baht [7 billion dollars] of mainland China) ...

Furthermore, Mainland China has already made a clear point to postpone the 7 billion Dollar railway project so long that Thailand is not ready to deal with High Speed Train to Nong Khai by shortening the line to Nakhon Ratchasima. Without connection to BKK, mainland China will not put this investment as the first priority anyway.

Well, LPDR Politburo still supporting the development around Beung That Luang near Lao ITTEC including the place for Viengchan railway station though.
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It is important for Laos to have many alternative means of importing and exporting resources, but it is also important that the Laotian government should put national interest first by balancing what to gain and what to give. Since Vietnam has too much influence in decision making of the government, Thailand and China involvement in the land locked country should offer the balances. Business is business, but mass-immigration of Chinese people into Laos could be a challenging problem for Laotians generation to come like they have with the Vietnamese. However, they have no other choice.
At least, those in Politburo can handle those Vietnamese - after all,they are sharing the same Vietnamese blood ... Not in case of the Han people (漢人/汉人) from the Mainland China .... which those Vietnamese blood sharing the love-hate relationship.
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At least, those in Politburo can handle those Vietnamese - after all,they are sharing the same Vietnamese blood ... Not in case of the Han people (漢人/汉人) from the Mainland China .... which those Vietnamese blood sharing the love-hate relationship.
I am sure that not all members share the same blood as the Vietnamese. You can't really be sure.
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Never forget about the root of Lao People's Revolutionary Party - it has been born from the Indochinese Communist Party which eventually became Communist Party of Vietnam ...

No wonder, the connection with Communist party of Vietnam is very strong despite of the fact that there are Chinese Factions within Lao People's Revolutionary Party.
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China to bring tourists to the top of the Golden Triangle area



Tuesday, 03 July 2012 12:21 Mizzima News


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China is making a major push to upgrade the tourist infrastructure in the region where China touches Burma and Laos and the Mekong River flows south into the Golden Triangle. The latest venture is to attract 15.5 million tourists to Xishuangbanna, a mountainous tropical region.

The plan is to boost services annually that would attract the tourists, including 500,000 foreign tourists, by 2015, a local official told Xinhua news agency.

Lu Yonghe, the deputy head of Xishuangbanna Dai autonomous prefecture, which borders Burma and Laos to its south, said the government plans to make Xishuangbanna a major resort region in southwest China. Roads and express highways in the area are already modernized.

Xishuangbanna is part of a large tropical virgin forest that covers southwest China’s Yunnan Province and northern Burma and Laos. It is home to diverse plant and animal life including endangered Asian elephants, but tourist infrastructure is relatively poor in the region.

Still, more than 10 million domestic tourists and 290,000 foreign tourists visited Xishuangbanna in 2011.

In the next five years, plans call for establishing 10 top tourist destinations and to attract more than 10 globally recognized hotel chains, officials said.



Xishuangbanna Dai Autonomous Prefecture is located at the southern tip of Yunnan Province. It shares a boundary of 966 kilometers (619 miles) with Burma and Laos in the east, south and west, and is a gateway from China to Southeast Asia by land. It is the home of the Dai ethnic group and was known as "Mengbanaxi" in ancient times, a name that means a miraculous utopia, and is home to 12 other ethnic minorities.

Located in the south extension of the Hengduan Mountains, more than 95 per cent of its territory is mountainous and hilly. Jinghong City is the major southern city. The Lancang River runs through the prefecture and when it passes through Laos and Thailand it is called the Mekong River.

http://www.mizzima.com/business/7438...ngle-area.html



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At least, those in Politburo can handle those Vietnamese - after all,they are sharing the same Vietnamese blood ... Not in case of the Han people (漢人/汉人) from the Mainland China .... which those Vietnamese blood sharing the love-hate relationship.
Lao politburo have vietnamese blood?? really! Oh god! Good thing our first lady Bun rany is chinese blood!
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Big budget investment with more strings attached, investment on a shoestring budget with less strings attached, business is business.

But the complaint sounds pretty weird if it's really what the Thai officer in SRT said, I'm dubious about its credibility of this statement if it's not from the Laos and I've never seen any Lao offcer voice complaint with the Lao-China railway project thru the various media. Just curious how this Thai officer's got known that those strings are the fact that will make the Laotians to be the slaves of China? This officer's put those strings to the test in some place to prove they are the fact to enslave people but where and when? Maybe he/she got informed from Lao officers but I'm also extremely skepital about Laotian govt would think that way or they would dismiss the contract in the first place.

I suppose the Lao-China high railway project offers the landlocked nation Laos an alternative choice as to exporting and importing and drown out some nations around Laos that Laos used to heavily rely on so they badmouth China but I dont think Laos would let this chance slip by. J/K
I don't think it's a bad thing to have millions of chinese settle in Laos or cambodia. It's actually a good thing and will boost the economy of the country. I sure don't mind that in cambodia. Also more chinese in laos and cambodia can be a good thing for national security and sovereignty from outside forces.
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I don't think it's a bad thing to have millions of chinese settle in Laos or cambodia. It's actually a good thing and will boost the economy of the country. I sure don't mind that in cambodia. Also more chinese in laos and cambodia can be a good thing for national security and sovereignty from outside forces.

You are not even calling yourself a Cambodian. Why would you mind? Not sure what Cambodians and Laotians would think, for me, it is a very bad thing if the majority of Cambodia and Loas population are pure Han Chinese and they don't give a dumn to the culture and tradition of these two countries. However, I don't mind if they are mixed with locals, and are proud to be called themselves Cambodians and Laotians.

For national security and sovereignty from outside forces? Are you blind? Mainland Chinese are outside forces. If Chinese is really true friend of Cambodia and Laos, they can invest and come for visit, not bring milllions of Chinese and live there. These countries have had many social and economic problems to deal with already for their own people. Millions more poor Chinese would put more burden on them. Do you think millions of rich Chinese would come? Don't be so naive to think so.

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Lao politburo have vietnamese blood?? really! Oh god! Good thing our first lady Bun rany is chinese blood!
So now you call Cambodian first lady yours too? I thought that you claimed you were not Cambodian. Don't you called yourself only Chinese and all you family, including your parents are marring only white people? You are far more western than chinese let alone Cambodian.
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Germany has opened KfW Bank to support German loan for Lao Government in Viengchan after opening the office in Hanoi and Phnom Penh

Note: This German government Bank has grant the loan for BTS Skytrain as well as the construction of Kaeng Khoi - Bua Yai bypass (166 km section including Khao Phang Hei tunnel)
http://www.manager.co.th/IndoChina/V...=9550000082774
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You are not even calling yourself a Cambodian. Why would you mind?
His agenda is obviously a take over. He love the places but not the people here.

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Don't worry, the only one that want millions of Chinese here is him, the Chinese people certainly doesn't want that.

But millions of Chinese probably want to move to the states. (or at least has PR rights in the west).
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Here is the proposed Viengchan station yard


Inside Viengchan station hall


The position of viengchan station is at 7.75 km from the beginning of the project (3.5 km from the middle of Friendship Bridge


Viengchan station building
http://www.neda.or.th/photoalbum.aspx?cid=1031003334
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