Newcastle Area Photography - Current photos, mainly taken by Forum Members

[Talisker]

Originally Posted by Steve Ellwood

Why not share your collection via Social Networks such as Flickr or Facebook, that way photographs end up being accessible to all via the Net.

Flickr maybe, although I'm talking about 1000+ photos. Do you retain copyright with flickr? Just doesn't seam secure enough to me. I can imagine historians in hundreds of years time saying 'if it wasn't for the great flickr hack of 2016 we'd have so much more information'. I seam to remember that CDs aren't all that great in terms of longevity either.

[Newcastle Historian]

Originally Posted by Talisker

Flickr maybe, although I'm talking about 1000+ photos. Do you retain copyright with flickr? Just doesn't seam secure enough to me. I can imagine historians in hundreds of years time saying 'if it wasn't for the great flickr hack of 2016 we'd have so much more information'. I seam to remember that CDs aren't all that great in terms of longevity either.

I have had a fair few conversations about this with "IT people" and what they all end up saying is that all electronic storage is still something of an unknown quantity, in terms of 'longevity' of safe storage.

I remember discussiing 'Memory Sticks', as you can get a lot of photos on them. What I was told by a number of experts is "it is still new technology, nobody yet really knows how long anything kept on them will stay in good condition".

So, I keep storage of photos on CDs, Memory Sticks, and a remote hard drive.

I'm not optimistic about any of them.

All my photos files pre-2001 are printed off . . . wish I had kept on doing that!

[Steve Ellwood]

Originally Posted by Talisker

Flickr maybe, although I'm talking about 1000+ photos. Do you retain copyright with flickr? Just doesn't seam secure enough to me. I can imagine historians in hundreds of years time saying 'if it wasn't for the great flickr hack of 2016 we'd have so much more information'. I seam to remember that CDs aren't all that great in terms of longevity either.

Well if you want to protect your copyright then the simple answer is don't put them anywhere close to the Internet.

If you just want to have a reliable store for yourself then I reckon the best way is to twin save them to two external hard drives. That way if one drive starts to fail, and you can usually tell, you do at least have one full copy protected on the other drive. That's the way I have my photographs stored and I made sure that the external drives were different makes as an extra precaution, i.e. both drives dying at the same time.

Certainly don't bother saving to CD's these days as that is not the way to go as several of my discs from around 1999 no longer play. Probably CD technology back there wasn't at its best?

NH mentioned printing out photographs but even that has its down side as it can be that the inks used on home systems will fade over the years, even when protected from light sources etc.

Personally I have no truck with copyright provided the source is quoted in any use and take the view that by getting them out there on the Net that at least they will be distributed wide and far and hopefully hang around in the cyber ether for a long time to come.

[thenorthumbrian]

I wonder if some of the excellent photographers who contribute to this forum have, or are thinking about entering this competition, they might make a few quid for themselves,
http://www.portoftyne.co.uk/news/por...ition-is-back/

[forsakenarchitecture]

Thanks for that, thenorthumbrian. I'll have to submit a few. Are there any other annual photography competitions in the region?

[skida]

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

I have had a fair few conversations about this with "IT people" and what they all end up saying is that all electronic storage is still something of an unknown quantity, in terms of 'longevity' of safe storage.

I remember discussiing 'Memory Sticks', as you can get a lot of photos on them. What I was told by a number of experts is "it is still new technology, nobody yet really knows how long anything kept on them will stay in good condition".

So, I keep storage of photos on CDs, Memory Sticks, and a remote hard drive.

I'm not optimistic about any of them.

All my photos files pre-2001 are printed off . . . wish I had kept on doing that!

Flash Memory Cards are useful for storage as their longevity is around 100,000 write cycles and unlimited read cycles, equivalent to 10 formats a day for about 25 years. USB flash sticks are good for 10,000 to 100,000 write cycles, depending on the memory type, BUT, the USB hardware is only good for about 1,500 cycles. That is still OK for archiving rather than constant use though.

As new storage technology is introduced, of course, it is easy to copy over to the new media.

[Adrian_Swall]

Saw this billboard at Cruddas Park today!

[Newcastle Historian]

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian; 5th July 2012

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I now have the "definitive" view on the recent "Copyright" questions about posting images from the Britain from Above website, from as senior as you can get within SSC.

I Don't have time to post it now, but I will post it this afternoon.

I will then COPY the guidance into the "Photography" thread and into the "Admin" thread, for ease of finding in the future . . .

Copyright and SSC - Guidance on use of "Britain from Above" images.

Slightly delayed from yesterday, but here it is.

This guidance (in response to my enquiry on the Mod Forums, 'copied in' at Post 2971 on here) is from one of the two originators and owners of
Skyscraper City . . .

Originally Posted by gothicform

hmmmm hard question to answer. there is no fair dealing for photographs in the UK... however if they are over 70 years old you can argue that copyright doesn't subsist in the images.

Did you know skyscrapercity is a non profit?

secondly did you know that its corporate HQ is in the netherlands, and that the servers are in the USA.

As the servers are in the USA they can't do anything except issue a DMCA notice which gives us protection. we act on complaints when we receive them, as one would expect us to do under american law.

so the correct answer is, SSC is located in the USA, British copyright law doesn't apply over there, American copyright law does.

We follow the digital millennium copyright act as is our legal obligation.

My final thought is this - if something that is supposedly owned by the nation has such pissy and absurd terms of use i would personally not bother with them to start with. yes, i am petty and vindictive but i see no reason why we should contribute massively to their google ranking, and send them thousands of visitors when they want us to PAY for it. we paid for it already with our taxes.

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

Thanks, I will pass this on to the forum.

I know what you mean about the "Google ranking" etc, but it is quite a good site, so I will leave it up to members if they wish to post images, but at least we now don't have to worry about the legal implications for SSC.

Originally Posted by gothicform

yeah, don't worry about it. it's an utter indictment of british copyright law that sites like this could not exist in the UK. google and facebook and so on actually complain copyright law here is so absurd they would be unable to operate here.

[newcastlepubs]

So to give a non legal summary that's don't worry about it then .

An acquaintance relies on something similar; hoisting on servers overseas and having the company registered outside of the UK. The costs and the jurisdictional problems are so great that it's not worth the hassle of doing anything about it [though that doesn't mean it's 'legal']

Copyright is off my patch [completely different postcode in fact] but very broadly the USA also operates on the 70yr rule as does the UK.

Thanks for chasing this NH. Is there any merit in posting something to the effect of:

Skyscrapercity is a non profit entity Its corporate HQ is in the netherlands, and servers are in the USA. As SSC is located in the USA, British copyright law doesn't apply, American copyright law does.

We follow the digital millennium copyright act as is our legal obligation.

Somewhere in an admin thread?

[Newcastle Historian]

Originally Posted by newcastlepubs

So to give a non legal summary that's don't worry about it then .

An acquaintance relies on something similar; hoisting on servers overseas and having the company registered outside of the UK. The costs and the jurisdictional problems are so great that it's not worth the hassle of doing anything about it [though that doesn't mean it's 'legal']

Copyright is off my patch [completely different postcode in fact] but very broadly the USA also operates on the 70yr rule as does the UK.

Thanks for chasing this NH. Is there any merit in posting something to the effect of:

Skyscrapercity is a non profit entity Its corporate HQ is in the netherlands, and servers are in the USA. As SSC is located in the USA, British copyright law doesn't apply, American copyright law does.

We follow the digital millennium copyright act as is our legal obligation.

Somewhere in an admin thread?

Yes, good idea.

I intend to post it into the Admin Thread and on the Photography Thread, for reference.

The main thing is though, it will be linked from the INDEX Thread (along with all the other Copyright Guidance we have around the forum) under "C" for Copyright.

So, it will always be easy to find.

[Newcastle Historian]

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TIMMONET PHOTOS WEBSITE

Does anyone know anything about the disappearence of the above photos website?

It is/was one of the BEST "Photos around all of Newcastle" websites, of the lot. One I often found answers to what I was searching for on, either in the photos themselves or in the associated lengthy narrative about each photo.

The Site just seems to have vanished.

Yet, the two "Archive Timmonet Websites" (1 and 2) appear to be still there for now.

It would be a big loss to this areas photographic records, if the main site were to be lost.

Does anyone know anything about it?


Extract from "Section 09" of the EXTERNAL WEBSITES LISTING THREAD . . .

TIMMONET NEWCASTLE PHOTOS
http://www.timmonet.co.uk/html/newcastle_today.htm

TIMMONET NEWCASTLE PHOTOS - ARCHIVE
http://www.timarchive.freeuk.com/index.htm
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[Squipper]

The domain expired on 12th June 2012 and is currently suspended.

[DXNewcastle]

Originally Posted by Newcastle Historian

TIMMONET PHOTOS WEBSITE

Does anyone know anything about the disappearence of the above photos website?

He appears to have reinstated the site, though perhaps having re-configured it slightly, but both his main site at www.timmonet.co.uk and the archive at www.timarchive.freeuk.com are both on-line.

I can't confirm if all the original content is still there, but it looks like it is. He's added content from this year's Gay Pride as recently as 3 weeks ago.

[Squipper]

Originally Posted by DXNewcastle

He appears to have reinstated the site, though perhaps having re-configured it slightly, but both his main site at www.timmonet.co.uk and the archive at www.timarchive.freeuk.com are both on-line.

I can't confirm if all the original content is still there, but it looks like it is. He's added content from this year's Gay Pride as recently as 3 weeks ago.

Make sure to add a '/' on the main address.

www.timmonet.co.uk/

[Newcastle Historian]

Good stuff, both the old links (copied from the Websites Listing Thread) in Post 332 of this thread, are working again.

Thanks for the information, a great source of PHOTOS is now back!

[Ken O'Heed]

Some pictures by myself 08/09/12 AM of the River Tyne and Newcastle & Gateshead Quaysides ( hosted on Photobucket)












The Millennium Bridge so much better without the navigation bollards and the Tyne Bridge now without the Olympic Rings - removed overnight 07 - 08/09/12

KEN

[Steve Ellwood]

Couple of shots in HDR taken today.




Photographs hosted on http://ellwood.fototime.com/Newcastl...%20-%20Vol%201

[Newcastle Historian]

Fantastic photos Steve!

I had to look up "HDR Photography", and found a definition in Wiki!

High Dynamic Range imaging (HDRI or HDR) is a set of methods used in imaging and photography, to allow a greater dynamic range between the lightest and darkest areas of an image than current standard digital imaging methods or photographic methods.

HDR images can represent more accurately the range of intensity levels found in real scenes, from direct sunlight to faint starlight, and is often captured by way of a plurality of differently exposed pictures of the same subject matter

I'm sure there is a lot more to it than that, not least photographic ability!!

[openlyJane]

My son is a student at Newcastle University and I have been visiting the city on occasion, and will continue to do so. I have created a thread of self-made photographs which you can view by clicking on the 'Newcastle: Jewel in the North' link below.

You may also be interested to view my Liverpool photographic thread too.

[Newcastle Historian]

Originally Posted by openlyJane

My son is a student at Newcastle University and I have been visiting the city on occasion, and will continue to do so. I have created a thread of self-made photographs which you can view by clicking on the 'Newcastle: Jewel in the North' link below.

You may also be interested to view my Liverpool photographic thread too.

Welcome to the Newcastle Forum openlyJane

I think your thread is quite well known on here, now!

I, personally, enjoy your Liverpool and English Counties threads too.

Regards,
NH