NFL football in the Southeast

[Dale]

Greg Williams probably paid that horse to do that.

[desertpunk]

Originally Posted by Dale

Greg Williams probably paid that horse to do that.

We'll never know now, will we?

[skysdalimit]

Originally Posted by GunnerJacket

So long as the team is admitting their violation of the rules, this is a lost cause. Now, they could try suing the Saints for the same reason as a case of negligence.

Generalizing and uncalled for. And I say that even as someone who is a) in favor of the punishment and b) generally loathes NO sports fans.

While I wouldn't have put it the same way, I believe Dale was referring to the constant reminder by the sports media story of "That was a hell of a storm, so no one deserves a Super Bowl victory more than the Saints." New Orleans has obviously been through a lot over the past few years and Katrina was a horrible tragedy for all involved, but after years of the same theme being brought up in the football realm, it got pretty annoying as a fan of an opposing team to always listen to the announcers demonize your team and basically say the Saints were somehow entitled to win a FOOTBALL GAME because there was a bad hurricane that struck the city several years beforehand. The argument never made too much sense to me and as a fan of an opposing team in the same division I'm sure you can understand how this would be annoying after years and years of the same "The Saints deserve to beat you because of Katrina" story.

But I've always disliked the Saints, primarily because we're in the same division and are always vying for the same playoff spot.

[Aceventura]

Originally Posted by Dale

Saints and Saints fans are getting theirs. This is payback for the years of Katrina Fatigue the rest of us suffered.

No, your prattling on about Tebow made up for that already.

[papa_spaz]

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/spo...opponents.html





The burgeoning BountyGate scandal involving the New Orleans Saints, head coach Sean Payton and former defensive coordinator Greg Williams is no surprise to former Tampa Bay Buccaneers defensive tackle Brad Culpepper.

I got a fascinating look into the mentality and brutality of NFL players during a conversation with Culpepper recently on our radio show. Culpepper, a former Florida Gators defensive tackle, said that when he broke into the league with the Minnesota Vikings in 1992, he and his defensive teammates were instructed by coaches on the most effective way to injure opposing quarterbacks and knock them out of games.

“We practiced techniques to injure players,” Culpepper said. “We would dive on a mat and aim for the knee portion of a pad like it was the quarterback, and we would practice going at that and trying to bust the quarterback’s knee. You knock the quarterback out, you win the game.”

Culpepper said there was another technique they practiced to try and injure quarterbacks during sacks. “A quarterback … if you pull on their arm and land on their shoulder, you can dislocate (the shoulder) and then they’re out. We used to practice that, too.”

He also said that back in the early 1990s – before there was a rule against it – when a quarterback threw an interception, defenders immediately went into kill-the-QB mode.

“We practiced on interceptions — we didn’t care where the ball was — we were making a bee-line to wherever the quarterback was. The play could be 60 yards down on the other side (of the field) and we were going to knock the quarterback out of the game by acting like we were blocking him, which was legal at the time.”

Culpepper, a 10th-round pick by the Vikings in ‘92, said the mentality of players is to do anything and everything possible to stay in the league.




I hope Roger Goodell is ready to pass out pentalites to all 32 NFL teams. It is only fair.

[papa_spaz]

"The New Orleans Saints weren't the only team to be investigated by the NFL for violations of the league's "bounty rule" in recent years. The Green Bay Packers were investigated in 2007"


"In 2007, Packers players reportedly offered to pay the team's defensive linemen $500 each if they were able to hold Minnesota Vikings tailback Adrian Peterson under 100 rushing yards and the Carolina Panthers under 60 rushing yards as a team."


"Reportedly, the league investigated the Packers at the time for violations of both the illegal incentive program and the "bounty rule," which prohibits players from placing a bounty on opponents that could lead to unnecessary violent acts."

"Ultimately, the league did not enact any punishments. At the time, league spokesman Greg Aiello said, "The club has handled the matter with the players, and the incentive pool has been discontinued."

"However, this 2007 investigation is further evidence that such player-incentive pools are common around the NFL"

So Green Bay gets a slap on the wrist 5 years ago. That is fair, LOL.

[skysdalimit]

Originally Posted by papa_spaz

"The New Orleans Saints weren't the only team to be investigated by the NFL for violations of the league's "bounty rule" in recent years. The Green Bay Packers were investigated in 2007"


"In 2007, Packers players reportedly offered to pay the team's defensive linemen $500 each if they were able to hold Minnesota Vikings tailback Adrian Peterson under 100 rushing yards and the Carolina Panthers under 60 rushing yards as a team."


"Reportedly, the league investigated the Packers at the time for violations of both the illegal incentive program and the "bounty rule," which prohibits players from placing a bounty on opponents that could lead to unnecessary violent acts."

"Ultimately, the league did not enact any punishments. At the time, league spokesman Greg Aiello said, "The club has handled the matter with the players, and the incentive pool has been discontinued."

"However, this 2007 investigation is further evidence that such player-incentive pools are common around the NFL"

So Green Bay gets a slap on the wrist 5 years ago. That is fair, LOL.

I agree that there should probably have been a punishment for Green Bay. But paying players for keeping opposing teams under "X" number of rushing yards for a game is different than paying players to intentionally injure opposing team's players in an effort to remove them from the game, which is what the Saints did.

[Sean in New Orleans]

Interesting:

"So,Sean Payton gets suspended longer than Michael Vick got for gambling and murdering dogs....longer than Ben Roethlisberger got for multiple rape accusations... longer than Bill Belichek got for actually cheating...longer than Ray Lewis got for being part of a murder committed by his posse... longer than Michael Irvin got for cocaine possession..... longer than Chris Henry got for assaulting a teenager...... longer than Tank Johnson got for his arsenal of guns and assaults........ longer than Plaxico Burress got for illegally discharging a gun in a New York nightclub......... unbelievable!!!"

http://www.nola.com/saints/app/42598...r-goodell.html

[papa_spaz]

http://washington.cbslocal.com/2012/...in-washington/

CBS Washington - Gregg Williams reportedly put a $15,000 bounty on Brad Johnson before a Monday Night Football game when he was the defensive coordinator for the Washington Redskins.

Johnson was with the Vikings and had a bad relationship with Dan Snyder.

“Gregg came in and dropped $15,000 on the (table) and said, ‘Brad Johnson doesn’t finish this game. This is Wednesday and the money will go up later in the week. It could double or triple by the end of the week,’ “one of the players recalled. “A couple of guys kinda got excited. (Defensive line coach) Greg Blache said, ‘If you get fined, it will be taken care of.’

A second Redskin, who also asked to remain anonymous, corroborated his teammate’s account.








Honestly without searching very hard at all I have found illegal bounty systems with the intent to hurt players for pay in the past with: Houston, Green Bay, Minnesota, and Washington.

The Saints are not being punished for being dirty. That's not the case. Dirty plays are reviewed every week and the comissoner always fines players large fees. The Saints are hardly ever fined unlike some other NFL teams (Steelers). Every team in the NFL has a a bounty system. The real reason the Saints are being punished is b/c the commissoner told the Saints to stop 2 years ago and the illegal bonus program continued. But of course that doesn't make for great headlines and discussions now does it?








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[GunnerJacket]

Originally Posted by Sean in New Orleans

Interesting:

"So,Sean Payton gets suspended longer than Michael Vick got for gambling and murdering dogs....longer than Ben Roethlisberger got for multiple rape accusations... longer than Bill Belichek got for actually cheating...longer than Ray Lewis got for being part of a murder committed by his posse... longer than Michael Irvin got for cocaine possession..... longer than Chris Henry got for assaulting a teenager...... longer than Tank Johnson got for his arsenal of guns and assaults........ longer than Plaxico Burress got for illegally discharging a gun in a New York nightclub......... unbelievable!!!"

Some of those comparisons were the first thing mentioned here on Atlanta sports talk radio, particularly the Ray Lewis story since it took place locally. Some of those (Big Ben) were alleged or outside the purview of the NFL, and this was obviously about the notion of the team (supposedly) lying to the league and the health of the players, but the one that stood out to me is the comparison to Bill Belichek. That's the barometer I had in mind for any punishment.

[Sean in New Orleans]

Word is that Bill Parcells will coach the Saints next season until Payton returns...

[papa_spaz]

Former New York Giant and Washington Redskin Antonio Pierce video reveals what a joke bounty gate is.








I'm still waiting for the NFL to show prove that a player was carted off the field and a Saints player was paid. We still don't have any video evidence.

[FLAWDA-FELLA]

In this year's NFL Draft, all Florida franchises made it in the top 10 for 1st round picks. Here is a quick summary:

#5 Jaguars (from Bucs): Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

#7 Bucs (from Jaguars): Mark Barron, S, Alabama

#8 Dolphins: Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M

[FLAWDA-FELLA]

Big payday for Saints Quarterback Drew Brees.


http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/w...-saints-071312

[desertpunk]

Jaguars or Dolphins? Which will be in the Superbowl this year?



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[zach7795]

c'mon that's a low blow (as a dolphins fan). on a side note, no offense but, i always thought of the jaguars to be so irrelevant, like they don't belong in the NFL. year after year terrible attendance terrible record terrible history. I don't know i just have always felt like they're a 3rd wheel team in Florida, one too many. i honestly don't think i can say that ive ever seen or heard sports center talk about the jaguars. lol sorry jags fans, didn't mean to come off as mean.

[GunnerJacket]

Originally Posted by zach7795

c'mon that's a low blow (as a dolphins fan). on a side note, no offense but, i always thought of the jaguars to be so irrelevant, like they don't belong in the NFL. year after year terrible attendance terrible record terrible history. I don't know i just have always felt like they're a 3rd wheel team in Florida, one too many. i honestly don't think i can say that ive ever seen or heard sports center talk about the jaguars. lol sorry jags fans, didn't mean to come off as mean.

It's like the Jags are the Marlins of the NFL.

[WeimieLvr]

Originally Posted by zach7795

c'mon that's a low blow (as a dolphins fan). on a side note, no offense but, i always thought of the jaguars to be so irrelevant, like they don't belong in the NFL. year after year terrible attendance terrible record terrible history. I don't know i just have always felt like they're a 3rd wheel team in Florida, one too many. i honestly don't think i can say that ive ever seen or heard sports center talk about the jaguars. lol sorry jags fans, didn't mean to come off as mean.

Not a Jaguars fan at all...but in their 16-year history they:

-made the playoffs '96-'99 and '03-'05
-played in the AFC Championship '97 and '99
-had an NFL best record of 14-2 in '99

That doesn't exactly sound irrelevant, and if you had watched Sports Center during those years you would have heard them mentioned often. You can't just go by the most recent 5 year period when talking about any teams in any sport.

[WeimieLvr]

Originally Posted by GunnerJacket

It's like the Jags are the Marlins of the NFL.

Well, other than their two World Series wins.

[zach7795]

Originally Posted by WeimieLvr

Not a Jaguars fan at all...but in their 16-year history they:

-made the playoffs '96-'99 and '03-'05
-played in the AFC Championship '97 and '99
-had an NFL best record of 14-2 in '99

That doesn't exactly sound irrelevant, and if you had watched Sports Center during those years you would have heard them mentioned often. You can't just go by the most recent 5 year period when talking about any teams in any sport.

true, while its not an impressive history its something none the less. I only mentioned this because for years there's been talks of moving this team to another city, and i would understand why.