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[slother]

We also have Tramlines which is a unique, adult festival and growing all the time. "Festivals" are everywhere these days and the market is generally regarded to be pretty saturated with many losing money.

My girlfriend works for SIV - apparently the national consensus is that Sheffield folk are some of the most difficult to sell tickets to. It's also true that we lack a truly great mid to large venue between The Academy/Leadmill and Don Valley/Arena.

[larven]

Originally Posted by gerryuk

Spending millions of pounds on a exhibition/conference center will be 'economics of the madhouse' that will only provide a handful of low paid jobs for the people of Sheffield and plunge the city into even more debt.

It's a purely private sector led initiative. It has nothing to do with the council.

[ps60]

Originally Posted by larven

It's a purely private sector led initiative. It has nothing to do with the council.

It seems as if gerryuk is one of the many posters who post before getting their facts right, then gets made to look silly.

[Bladerunner]

Originally Posted by robhundall

What I meant by "outdoor festival" was something akin to the Leeds/Reading festival, V festival, Latitude, Glastonbury and the like who attract BIG acts. None of the Sheffield parks are suitable for such events.

Outdoor festivals come in all shapes and sizes. Leeds is nowhere near as big as Glastonbury or Reading. When Leeds first started it was the size of Sheftival and has been growing ever since.

As has been mentioned, there are plenty of parks in Sheffield with large expanses of open space

Originally Posted by robhundall

Sheftival will be great for the children, but the act are just one-hit wonders and X-factor contestants provided by Real Radio.

Suggest you do your homework. Toots & The Maytals, The Beat and the Selector are three classic, old-school ska acts with many hits to their name and it will be fantastic to see them all play. The Lightning Seeds had a string of hits in the 90's, Dodgy are one of the original Britpop acts who charted regularly, The Crookes are an up and coming indie band.

Originally Posted by robhundall

The genuine big acts either play arenas, major concert halls, or the big outdoor festivals.
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OK I admit it. Sheffield does not at the moment have an outdoor festival that is comparable to Leeds. But Tramlines is unique, and Leeds has nothing comparable. Major acts play the DVS and the arena regularly, and New York stadium is also very suitable for gigs.

[RichJay]

Originally Posted by Bladerunner

Outdoor festivals come in all shapes and sizes. Leeds is nowhere near as big as Glastonbury or Reading. When Leeds first started it was the size of Sheftival and has been growing ever since.

As has been mentioned, there are plenty of parks in Sheffield with large expanses of open space



Suggest you do your homework. Toots & The Maytals, The Beat and the Selector are three classic, old-school ska acts with many hits to their name and it will be fantastic to see them all play. The Lightning Seeds had a string of hits in the 90's, Dodgy are one of the original Britpop acts who charted regularly, The Crookes are an up and coming indie band.



OK I admit it. Sheffield does not at the moment have an outdoor festival that is comparable to Leeds. But Tramlines is unique, and Leeds has nothing comparable. Major acts play the DVS and the arena regularly, and New York stadium is also very suitable for gigs.

Leeds Festival currently has a capacity of 70-80k. None of the parks in Sheffield could accommodate that many people for a weekend.

Leeds also has the Live At Leeds festival which is similar to Tramlines (in that it's held over a number of venues) but isn't free.

[RichJay]

Originally Posted by gerryuk

Surely prime land in Sheffield Center should be used for building state of the art office blocks as the city needs jobs.

A conference/exhibition center in Sheffield at the present time is 'pie in the sky' nonsense and will not be happening.

Isn't building new state of the art office blocks 'pie in the sky' nonsense at the present time?

[robhundall]

Originally Posted by Bladerunner

Outdoor festivals come in all shapes and sizes. Leeds is nowhere near as big as Glastonbury or Reading. When Leeds first started it was the size of Sheftival and has been growing ever since.

As has been mentioned, there are plenty of parks in Sheffield with large expanses of open space

Leeds is 75,000 vs Reading 87,000 capacity, so are quite comparable. Bramham Park, where Leeds festival is held, is over 400 acres in size and about twice as big as Graves Park.

Originally Posted by Bladerunner

Suggest you do your homework. Toots & The Maytals, The Beat and the Selector are three classic, old-school ska acts with many hits to their name and it will be fantastic to see them all play. The Lightning Seeds had a string of hits in the 90's, Dodgy are one of the original Britpop acts who charted regularly, The Crookes are an up and coming indie band.

You're right; Toots, The Beat,The Selecter and Dodgy have had many hits and are big names. The Lightning Seeds are the most commercially sucessful of the lot.

I'm not knocking Sheftival. I wish it all the best and hope that it's a success and grows. It'll never attract the BIG acts though, or attract fans from across the UK, will it?

The activities surrounding the event are squarely aimed at kids and I applaud that. It might well be way to exploit the Don Valley venues in the future.

Originally Posted by Bladerunner

OK I admit it. Sheffield does not at the moment have an outdoor festival that is comparable to Leeds. But Tramlines is unique, and Leeds has nothing comparable. Major acts play the DVS and the arena regularly, and New York stadium is also very suitable for gigs.

Again, I am not knocking Tramlines. In fact it's brilliant. That said, it's a free festival and so will never attract BIG acts on a BIG stage. I'm sure that other cities will be sensible and copy it in the future, which is no bad thing.

Don Valley Stadium has hosted some major acts; 1993 Def Leppard, 1997 Michael Jackson, 1998 Spice Girls, 2006 Rolling Stones, 2009 U2 and 2011 Arctic Monkeys. It's great, but 6 major gigs in 20 years is pretty sparce.

(It annoys me how Sheffield International Venues has managed to fall so spectacularly out of favour with UK Athletics, to the point that the second best athletics stadium in the UK is now behind the Olympic Stadium, Birmingham, Crystal Palace, Manchester and Gateshead in staging large athletic events. It used to be PACKED in the 90s).





My original point was that big music acts will begin to drift away from Sheffield once the Leeds Arena comes online. We'll just have to wait and see if that does happen, and what, if anything, Sheffield can do to arrest that decline.

[robhundall]

Originally Posted by RichJay

Isn't building new state of the art office blocks 'pie in the sky' nonsense at the present time?

What is a state of the art office block?

I ask this because of the "The Secret Life of Buildings" that Tom Dyckhoff made for Channel 4 last year;

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...s/tom-dyckhoff


He confirmed my suspicions that open-plan buildings are terrible places to work - they are just too distracting to work efficiently in. They are all style over substance; architects' follies.

If the 'gherkin' were in Sheffield I'm sure it would probably struggle to let the space, it's only successful because of it's location.

Let other cities make the expensive mistakes by building lots of inefficient buildings, then build great new ones when there is a larger demand.


Anyone here enjoy working in open-plan offices? I never have.

[Crookes]

Originally Posted by RichJay

Leeds Festival currently has a capacity of 70-80k. None of the parks in Sheffield could accommodate that many people for a weekend

Bramham Park is about ten miles outside Leeds though, its a bit like hosting the "Sheffield" festival at Chatsworth.

[Skychaser 2005]

Originally Posted by Crookes

Bramham Park is about ten miles outside Leeds though, its a bit like hosting the "Sheffield" festival at Chatsworth.

The difference is Bramham Park is in the city boundaries of Leeds and of course don't forget Leeds has Party in the Park every year with 70,000 attending and Opera in the Park with over 40,000 attending at Temple Newsam House and Park in Leeds.

[Leeds No.1]

Originally Posted by Crookes

Bramham Park is about ten miles outside Leeds though, its a bit like hosting the "Sheffield" festival at Chatsworth.

From City station yes, but still in Leeds.

Harewood House has also hosted its fair share of festivals, while Temple Newsam used to host Leeds Fest but now hosts more free events. Roundhay Park's arena can also hold up to 100,000 people.

Does Sheffield not have any stately homes a little closer than Chatsworth with large capacities?

Is there any possibility of using some of the large sheds/warehouses of former steel works and factories in Sheffield? That could be quite unique for large concerts. I've been to Magna (although not recently), which is huge inside.

[judd newto]

Originally Posted by Leeds No.1

From City station yes, but still in Leeds.

Harewood House has also hosted its fair share of festivals, while Temple Newsam used to host Leeds Fest but now hosts more free events. Roundhay Park's arena can also hold up to 100,000 people.

Does Sheffield not have any stately homes a little closer than Chatsworth with large capacities?

Is there any possibility of using some of the large sheds/warehouses of former steel works and factories in Sheffield? That could be quite unique for large concerts. I've been to Magna (although not recently), which is huge inside.

The Welbeck Estate it has Sheffield Post code although near Worksop.
And as an afterthought Parkwood Springs.

[Damon]

Originally Posted by Leeds No.1

Is there any possibility of using some of the large sheds/warehouses of former steel works and factories in Sheffield? That could be quite unique for large concerts. I've been to Magna (although not recently), which is huge inside.

Anyone remember Pulp's 'farewell' gig back in 2002? (Farewell until we reform in 10 years' time... )

They concocted their own leftfield music festival which they then headlined, and held it at Magna.

Guardian review here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2002...es.popandrock1

[ormey]

Originally Posted by gerryuk

I would agree that there is not the demand at the moment but that's not to say there will never be the demand. Remember private company's will always prefer to build office blocks next to railway stations for obvious reasons. Building a exhibition/conference center in that location and you have lost the land for 30/50 years.
During the recession of the early 80's city's like Leeds, Birmingham and Manchester all had their own economic problems just like Sheffield. However these city's diversified and ploughed millions of private and public money into their city centers Building office blocks and shopping centers, resulting in thousands of new jobs for their respective city's. Sheffield did not.
I remember the leader of Sheffield council on television with tears in his eyes after winning the bid for the student games telling us that by spending millions on sports arena's for the games, millions of pounds of private money would flood into Sheffield. He said that the legacy of the games would provide thousands of jobs for the city, well it didn't. It was all a very expensive con!
The result of this folly by Sheffield council is still very evident today. Whilst city's like Leeds and Birmingham march on, the center of Sheffield is a eye sore for its size.
Spending millions of pounds on a exhibition/conference center will be 'economics of the madhouse' that will only provide a handful of low paid jobs for the people of Sheffield and plunge the city into even more debt.
Sheffield has a shocking history when it comes to spending money, resulting in a litany of disasters, student games,airport, center for popular music to name but a few. Lets not add to it with this folly.



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so its not given us fantastic sporting facilities a arena which is one of best in the uk ?

[AdamBlade]

Originally Posted by robhundall

What is a state of the art office block?

I ask this because of the "The Secret Life of Buildings" that Tom Dyckhoff made for Channel 4 last year;

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/t...s/tom-dyckhoff


He confirmed my suspicions that open-plan buildings are terrible places to work - they are just too distracting to work efficiently in. They are all style over substance; architects' follies.

If the 'gherkin' were in Sheffield I'm sure it would probably struggle to let the space, it's only successful because of it's location.

Let other cities make the expensive mistakes by building lots of inefficient buildings, then build great new ones when there is a larger demand.


Anyone here enjoy working in open-plan offices? I never have.

Love working in an open plan office. Much better for sharing ideas and communication between people. Would hate to be sat alone.

[robhundall]

Originally Posted by AdamBlade

Love working in an open plan office. Much better for sharing ideas and communication between people. Would hate to be sat alone.

There's a big difference between open-plan and everyone in single-person rooms. Smaller rooms with a small number of people work much better in my experience.

As was shown in the programme, and I've read elsewhere, it's very difficult to concentrate in open-plan spaces. Not even wearing headphones really solves the problems as well as a good wall!

[jozblade]

Originally Posted by Leeds No.1

Does Sheffield not have any stately homes a little closer than Chatsworth with large capacities?

Is there any possibility of using some of the large sheds/warehouses of former steel works and factories in Sheffield? That could be quite unique for large concerts. I've been to Magna (although not recently), which is huge inside.

There's Wentworth Woodhouse. Although not sure if it would be feasible and there's pretty much no way that the locals would like it.

Arctic Monkeys played at Magna, just after their first album, which I went along to. There's quite a big 'hall' in there. I'd say about 5,000 capacity, maybe less.

I think there has been some Gatecrasher nights there too.

[Crookes]

Originally Posted by Crookes

Bramham Park is about ten miles outside Leeds though, its a bit like hosting the "Sheffield" festival at Chatsworth.

Originally Posted by Skychaser 2005

The difference is Bramham Park is in the city boundaries of Leeds

Originally Posted by Leeds No.1

From City station yes, but still in Leeds

It's still a bit different to the parks in urban Sheffield that people were trying to compared it to though - Moscar and Stocksbridge are within the Sheffield city boundaries after all.

[arepeejee]

Originally Posted by jozblade

There's Wentworth Woodhouse. Although not sure if it would be feasible and there's pretty much no way that the locals would like it.

Arctic Monkeys played at Magna, just after their first album, which I went along to. There's quite a big 'hall' in there. I'd say about 5,000 capacity, maybe less.

I think there has been some Gatecrasher nights there too.

LCD Soundsystem played one of their last gigs there too, and that was incredible.

[jt132]

Originally Posted by arepeejee

LCD Soundsystem played one of their last gigs there too, and that was incredible.

... with Hot Chip, it was a good gig.