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Old July 22nd, 2012, 04:19 AM   #21
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Texas isn't as "Red" as it gets. Several places in the Southeast vote more Republican than Texas, such as Tennessee, Alabama, Kentucky, Mississippi, Louisiana, and Arkansas.

44% of Texans voted for Obama in 2008. That's over 3.5 million people voting for him, so it's not like there aren't a whole lot of Dems in the state of Texas.

http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/re...ident/map.html
Compared to other large states (CA, IL, NY, PA, FL) it is pretty reliably red.
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Old July 22nd, 2012, 10:08 PM   #22
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Here's why its redder than NC

1. There's way more blacks in NC. Since blacks vote 95-97% D on a regular basis, it shifts North Carolina markedly to the Democratic side. If Texas were 21% black like North Carolina, Obama would have lost by 2%, not 11%.

2. Texas Hispanics are more conservative than NC Hispanics. They are only 58-60% Democratic rather than 68-75% like in NC.

3. Texas Hispanics who are Democratic vote at abysmally low rates

4. Texas suburbs are staunchly red (75%+) with areas like Fort Worth being more conservative then a city of its size should. North Carolina's suburbs are also red but places like Raleigh and Charlotte do have less partisan suburbs than say Dallas or Houston

5. The Texas Democratic Party is in the dumps whereas the NC Democratic Party is much stronger (even after Bev Perdue and the scandals this past year and after losing the state legislature in 2010)
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Old July 23rd, 2012, 10:01 AM   #23
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The main reasons Texas is quite "red" as far as politics goes:

1) Texans of all races and ethnicities are to the right of equivalents in most other urbanized states, and Texas is highly urbanized as far as population goes: 82%. Only Florida is more urban of all the Southern states.

2) There aren't really any "liberal" areas of Texas to vote Democrat, and like someone said, Austin is more libertarian than liberal. Democratic voters in Texas are primarily "disadvantaged" Democrats: they vote that way for economic reasons, not because they believe in an economic philosophy. Almost everyone else is by default Republican, either part of the conservative wing or the libertarian wing of the party.

3) Because you need to be a Republican to have any political power as a politician in Texas, many minority politicians and voters simply vote red so they have a greater say in the political process.

4) Texas does not have "rent seekers" in its politics: meaning nobody who has an interest in keeping some public redistribution scheme going such as teachers unions. Thus a large base of Democratic support in most other states is absent.

5) Having no income tax keeps it so that everyone in the state, rich and poor, pay a sizable share of sales and property tax as well as user fees: When people have to pay to get something, it keeps them more fiscally conservative than they would be if they paid little, if any at all, to get public goods as is the case with a progressive income tax. There are blue states with no income tax, such as Washington State: but the tax structure is just one variable in the calculus of mass political leanings.

There are others, but these are good ones to start from to answer your question.
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Old July 24th, 2012, 03:01 AM   #24
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The main reasons Texas is quite "red" as far as politics goes:

1) Texans of all races and ethnicities are to the right of equivalents in most other urbanized states, and Texas is highly urbanized as far as population goes: 82%. Only Florida is more urban of all the Southern states.

2) There aren't really any "liberal" areas of Texas to vote Democrat, and like someone said, Austin is more libertarian than liberal. Democratic voters in Texas are primarily "disadvantaged" Democrats: they vote that way for economic reasons, not because they believe in an economic philosophy. Almost everyone else is by default Republican, either part of the conservative wing or the libertarian wing of the party.

3) Because you need to be a Republican to have any political power as a politician in Texas, many minority politicians and voters simply vote red so they have a greater say in the political process.

4) Texas does not have "rent seekers" in its politics: meaning nobody who has an interest in keeping some public redistribution scheme going such as teachers unions. Thus a large base of Democratic support in most other states is absent.

5) Having no income tax keeps it so that everyone in the state, rich and poor, pay a sizable share of sales and property tax as well as user fees: When people have to pay to get something, it keeps them more fiscally conservative than they would be if they paid little, if any at all, to get public goods as is the case with a progressive income tax. There are blue states with no income tax, such as Washington State: but the tax structure is just one variable in the calculus of mass political leanings.

There are others, but these are good ones to start from to answer your question.
So-called conservatives aren't anymore fiscally responsible than a liberal, they spend money on things important to them...poor people aren't important. The real difference between liberals and conservatives is social issues....both parties are spend-a-holics and always have been.

It's simple, Texas for the most part is in the bible belt and hasn't experience the influx of more liberal northeastern like NC.
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So-called conservatives aren't anymore fiscally responsible than a liberal, they spend money on things important to them...poor people aren't important.
Whether they live up to their campaign promises or not doesn't change their vote. My point still stands.
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Old July 26th, 2012, 05:54 AM   #26
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So-called conservatives aren't anymore fiscally responsible than a liberal, they spend money on things important to them...poor people aren't important. The real difference between liberals and conservatives is social issues....both parties are spend-a-holics and always have been.

It's simple, Texas for the most part is in the bible belt and hasn't experience the influx of more liberal northeastern like NC.
It seems to me that the transplants to NC may be pulling the state to the Right not the Left. I see the suburbs of Charlotte and Raleigh especially as being much more Conservative than when I first moved to NC 26 years ago from New England.

I sort of think the same story is happening in GA which has a higher percentage of Blacks than NC; the suburbs of Atlanta, GA are some of most solidly red in the Southeast. Is GA being pulled Right by transplants? Are Conservatives leaving New England, New York, New Jersey, California and settling in the South, Southwest, Mountain states, the Mid West?
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Parts of the Midwest is conservative too.
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Old July 27th, 2012, 04:10 AM   #28
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It seems to me that the transplants to NC may be pulling the state to the Right not the Left. I see the suburbs of Charlotte and Raleigh especially as being much more Conservative than when I first moved to NC 26 years ago from New England.

I sort of think the same story is happening in GA which has a higher percentage of Blacks than NC; the suburbs of Atlanta, GA are some of most solidly red in the Southeast. Is GA being pulled Right by transplants? Are Conservatives leaving New England, New York, New Jersey, California and settling in the South, Southwest, Mountain states, the Mid West?
Well, obviously some conservatives are leaving states with higher taxes for those with lower or no income taxes. Since suburbs are often much more segregated than cities, I suspect that there are distinctions between particular suburbs. And It would not be a stretch to assume that more upwardly mobile suburban blacks tend to be more conservative than blacks in cities. Where I hang out in the Southwest, transplants come from all backgrounds and in Northern New Mexico, tend to be very liberal New Yorkers and Californians while to the south around El Paso and Las Cruces, we get more libertarian or conservative expats from the West Coast and the Midwest. For a while we were getting back younger workers who left for the greener pastures of Phoenix and Las Vegas during the boom years, but now that reverse migration has halted.
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