Projects & Discussions | Perth Airport

[AndyGM]

Depends on where they wish to deploy their capital.

You would know better than I would but I would have thought they wouldn't have the open chequebook to expand like they did a few years ago. Therefore they may wish to redeploy some assets on more profitable routes.

[Dilaz89]

Originally Posted by AndyGM

Depends on where they wish to deploy their capital.

You would know better than I would but I would have thought they wouldn't have the open chequebook to expand like they did a few years ago. Therefore they may wish to redeploy some assets on more profitable routes.

The Australian routes are among the most profitable for sure. They'll make a profit even if the plane (B777 not 380) is only half full.

[Bullswool]

Originally Posted by Dilaz89

There's no way EK will reduce their almost always full flights to Aus. The MEL-AKL route is going to 380 before the end of the year, and there's talk of making all aussie flights 380.

Is there scope for them to also increase frequencies? Most of my family and friends prefer taking Emirates when they go to Europe because its usually a few hours quicker (Plus they fly in to so many different airports).

[Dilaz89]

They're really secretive about shit here, but if you put 2 and 2 together the answer would be yes.

[jackso]

Emirates just upped their frequency to three times daily Perth-Dubai.

[Sethor]

Originally Posted by Dilaz89

The Australian routes are among the most profitable for sure. They'll make a profit even if the plane (B777 not 380) is only half full.

It's easier to make money when you cram 10 abreast in a 777. EK marketing dept has done a good job making people believe they are a premium airline when their economy product is only marginally better than a LCC.

[Dilaz89]

^ That's bullshit. Come back to me after you've flown on a few other international airlines. They're all the same, if not worse than Emirates. Most of them do not have the Panasonic IFE too, which is easily the best in the world.

Economy is economy when it comes to seat sizes and leg room. Emirates has the upper hand when it comes to service and entertainment.

[Sethor]

Sorry but 10 abreast in a 777 is something I would expect in a LCC not a so called premium full service airline. Even BA tried 10 abrest seating on some 777's but reverted back to the standard 9 abrest after complaints. I'd admit EK gives an extra lnch or two in seat pitch to try to compensate the reduction in seat width but I find seat width more important than legroom. IFE wise quite a few airlines out of PER use the Panasonic systems like SQ, CX & even a few QF domestic A332's

Just simply have a look at the photos below you can clearly see more shoulders sticking out into the narrow alises in the 10 abreast 777's-

Cathay Pacific 77W 9 abreast
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Catha...529e956c47e4da
Air Canada 77W 9 abreast
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-C...8ceff05eadf316
Singapore Airlines 77W 9 abreast
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Singa...0785485c787458
Emirates 77W 10 abreast
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Emira...c5307dfb54e69e
Air New Zealand 77W 10 abreast
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-N...686fc1ea366cd3

[GAbE27]

Perth International Airport is 100x better than Sydney!

just sayin!!

[crave]

oh.

[docker]

so the more of the terminals will happen by 2014

Perth airport passengers treble
Geoffrey Thomas,
The West Australian
Updated August 16, 2012, 3:07 am


Planes queue for take-off at Perth airport. Picture: Geoffrey Thomas

Passenger numbers through Perth Airport have almost trebled in the past 10 years to more than 12.6 million people and based on the average growth rate over the decade, the number could double by 2019.

The official figures, released by Perth Airport for the year ended July 30, show a 10.31 per cent increase but do not include about a million passengers who passed through the terminals of Network Aviation, Skippers Aviation, Maroomba Airlines and Cobham.

The rise in numbers over 10 years from 4.8 million to 12.6 million was almost triple the global rate, according to the International Air Transport Association. During the first mining boom in 1972, about 679,000 passengers used Perth Airport.

That number of people now goes through the airport every 19 days.

Perth Airport has committed $750 million for facilities that will create capacity to support the expected continuing strong demand.

A new terminal for regional airlines will be completed next year.
Last month, the airport went out to tender for the most significant component of the $750 million redevelopment - construction of the new domestic pier and international departures (Terminal 1) expansion, which is to be completed by July 2014.

[AndyGM]

12.6 million now, will probably be around 15 million by the time the new domestic pier is complete.

So basically by the time the current expansion is complete, it will already be overcrowded?

[fast_fokker]

Time to look again at the second/parallel runway to 03/21
The morning slots are pretty much nonexistent now. Doesnt matter how many terminals you put in.

[eugenius]

Originally Posted by fast_fokker

Time to look again at the second/parallel runway to 03/21
The morning slots are pretty much nonexistent now. Doesnt matter how many terminals you put in.

But they have build all over the land set aside for that / the taxiways to support it - some of the buildings only completed last year. Wonder what lease they have given on that land.

[jonwil]

If I was Qantas or Emirates or Singapore I would be putting a LOT of pressure on WAC right now to build an A380-compatible gate and soon.

[jackso]

Isn't Qantas keeping their domestic operations at the current terminal for now? I don't think they have as yet negotiated plans to move. So you would imagine the current domestic terminal will be operating in some capacity till around 2018 at least.

[AndyGM]

Airport says it wants all operations out of the same building in ten years, so I would expect an announcement of a Qantas expansion once the new Virgin terminal is complete or nearly complete.

I didn't think the runway would be such an issue? There are other airports in the world with far more plane movements that have only a single runway. They should stop leasing out the land for the second runway though, who knows what they will need in ten years time.

I think I read somewhere that the tennants have 20 year leases, but I may be wrong.

[fast_fokker]

Originally Posted by AndyGM

I didn't think the runway would be such an issue? There are other airports in the world with far more plane movements that have only a single runway.

Quite true, but the valued morning slots for the FIFO movements are pretty much all gone. Spreading those flights to later slots means workers get to site later etc... Moving them to earlier times is not practical for some destinations due to runway capabilities and facilities plus the looming threat of noise abatement procedures.
Believe me, being the 9th aircraft in the queue waiting for takeoff can get old pretty quickly...

[AndyGM]

Is noise abatement an issue for Perth?

I thought one of the biggest positives of Perth airport is that there are no resi areas under the flightpath really close to the airport.

[crave]

there are noise issues for some city of belmont residents... i think tha feds have a slush fund for peoples living near flight paths wanting rebates to get sound proofing in their homes...