My city vs Your City (official city bashing thread) - Page 942

Karldiff · August 9th, 2012, 02:54 PM

I think James' post was in response to mine. I referred to some of the online commentators for our local rag in Cardiff being anti Welsh language and then commented it was refreshing that online commentators on local rags around the country were of a similar ilk (I meant misanthropic nutters). James has picked up on the fact that its unlikely that anyone outside Wales will give a monkeys about the Welsh language.

Suburban Knight · August 9th, 2012, 04:02 PM

I thought most people in South Wales weren't really supportive of the Welsh language, seeing as the North is the only place it remained a native language in any real numbers? Welsh only survives in the south now because of government support for it since the late 90s.

Karldiff · August 9th, 2012, 04:42 PM

Without getting too deep into it there are more Welsh speakers in terms of numbers in south Wales than north Wales. The percentage of speakers in north Wales is greater which is why its probably more visible/audible to the casual observer.

Plus south Wales encompasses places like Monmouth or Chepstow on the English border where Welsh speakers will be very rare to places like the Swansea Valley, Gwendraeth valley etc where Welsh speakers are in the majority.

JamesWales · August 9th, 2012, 05:29 PM

Wales is far more diverse than people give it credit. There are broad differences between North and South, but equally there are differences between East and West, or Valleys and Elsewhere, or Welsh speaking/Non Welsh speaking, or city/rural, or Welsh/English or Mining communities/farming communities or NE Wales/NW Wales.. You'll find some very militant Welsh speakers on the south coast in Caerdydd, and some scousers on the North coast in Rhyl who have never spoken Welsh in their lives.

It's one of the reasons why I am frustrated and amused in equal measure when people resident in England talk of 'The Welsh' wanting this that or the other.

People in Wales are probably less united on most things than people living in England..remember we have 4 major parties for 3 million people and England has 3 major parties for 50 million people!

Stick two Welshmen in a room and they'll argue for hours. Bring an Englishman in and the Welsh will probably unite, sing some songs and put on a show of unity.

I know Welsh people who frequently slag off the language, but as soon as an Englishman does it, they'll become instantly defensive of Welsh!

Seriously, Wales is full of nutters..it's a fascinating place..deserves far more political investigation in my opinion.

And yes, I was joking about anti-Welsh language letters in the Portsmouth Newspaper..I suspect they concentrate on slagging off the Froggies, The Saints and Peadatricians!

Toadboy · August 9th, 2012, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JamesWales

Wales is far more diverse than people give it credit. There are broad differences between North and South, but equally there are differences between East and West, or Valleys and Elsewhere, or Welsh speaking/Non Welsh speaking, or city/rural, or Welsh/English or Mining communities/farming communities or NE Wales/NW Wales.. You'll find some very militant Welsh speakers on the south coast in Caerdydd, and some scousers on the North coast in Rhyl who have never spoken Welsh in their lives.

It's one of the reasons why I am frustrated and amused in equal measure when people resident in England talk of 'The Welsh' wanting this that or the other.

People in Wales are probably less united on most things than people living in England..remember we have 4 major parties for 3 million people and England has 3 major parties for 50 million people!

Stick two Welshmen in a room and they'll argue for hours. Bring an Englishman in and the Welsh will probably unite, sing some songs and put on a show of unity.

I know Welsh people who frequently slag off the language, but as soon as an Englishman does it, they'll become instantly defensive of Welsh!

Seriously, Wales is full of nutters..it's a fascinating place..deserves far more political investigation in my opinion.

And yes, I was joking about anti-Welsh language letters in the Portsmouth Newspaper..I suspect they concentrate on slagging off the Froggies, The Saints and Peadatricians!

Arf, if Liverpool was a country it would be Wales.

My own experience is Cardiff, Newport and Swansea are pretty much "British", diverse, modern and urbane. At the same time they're proudly Welsh whilst taking the piss out of the uber Welsh valleys people, put them together and there's banter with occassional violence. Put them together and an outsider has a pop and they're a mighty foe.

It's similar with Wrexham. They're massively Welsh in border disputes, but contempoary Welsh/British when dealing with the Treffs.

I like Wales, I prefer the urban and coastal South Wales to the North and Mid Wales though.

Karldiff · August 9th, 2012, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Toadboy

Arf, if Liverpool was a country it would be Wales.

My own experience is Cardiff, Newport and Swansea are pretty much "British", diverse, modern and urbane. At the same time they're proudly Welsh whilst taking the piss out of the uber Welsh valleys people, put them together and there's banter with occassional violence. Put them together and an outsider has a pop and they're a mighty foe.

It's similar with Wrexham. They're massively Welsh in border disputes, but contempoary Welsh/British when dealing with the Treffs.

I like Wales, I prefer the urban and coastal South Wales to the North and Mid Wales though.

Thats the first and possibly the last time people from Newport have been described as 'urbane'....

Toadboy · August 9th, 2012, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Karldiff

Thats the first and possibly the last time people from Newport have been described as 'urbane'....

Well I knew I was pushing it, but they do want to be like Cardiff even if they don't pull it off!

The ear ring and tracksuit capital of Britain, more wool than urbane, less wool than valleys grocks and grockesses.

Newport - The Welsh Stoke?

TheFly · August 9th, 2012, 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadboy

Well I knew I was pushing it, but they do want to be like Cardiff even if they don't pull it off!

The ear ring and tracksuit capital of Britain, more wool than urbane, less wool than valleys grocks and grockesses.

Newport - The Welsh Stoke?

Quick check- this is the bashing thread?

Scouser saying someother lot wear shell-suits?

With an avatar of a football(er) shirt.

Priceless.

Toadboy · August 9th, 2012, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFly

Quick check- this is the bashing thread?

Scouser saying someother lot wear shell-suits?

With an avatar of a football(er) shirt.

Priceless.

Hullo Mr Witless.

EuxTex · August 10th, 2012, 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFly

Quick check- this is the bashing thread?

Scouser saying someother lot wear shell-suits?

With an avatar of a football(er) shirt.

Priceless.

Something like Mancs calling other cities "shitholes" and "liars". Now that's priceless.

Karldiff · August 10th, 2012, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toadboy

Well I knew I was pushing it, but they do want to be like Cardiff even if they don't pull it off!

The ear ring and tracksuit capital of Britain, more wool than urbane, less wool than valleys grocks and grockesses.

Newport - The Welsh Stoke?

If Stoke is rough as fuck, then yes!

It's like a Valleys town on steroids (literally and metaphorically) but it does have a few decent bits in the city centre and Caerleon is as lovely a suburb as it gets in south Wales. I'm doing my best to be positive here.

TheFly · August 10th, 2012, 04:07 PM

Of course Toadboy was slagging Cardiff was he?

Dear, dear even when your own insult, to another city, is used against you, the whining starts!

The only UK city renowed for wearing shell-suits was Liverpool.

Is? Probably not thank God.
Was? Yup

Deal with it. But don't take the piss out of Cardiff and then moan when the same dig is used against you.

Shameless.

There you go, a clue for you to dig back at Manchester. Then again you may be too "witless"

Karldiff · August 10th, 2012, 04:12 PM

I think Toadboy was taking the piss out of Newport. The only trackies worn in Cardiff are vintage 70's Adidas ones with the stripes down the side of the tracky bottoms and even then they are only worn ironically.

VDB · August 10th, 2012, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by EuxTex

Something like Mancs calling other cities "shitholes" and "liars". Now that's priceless.

Manchester = Beta + world city.

Liverpool = doesn't register

San Antonio = doesn't register.

Conclusion:- Manchester is a shitehole and Liverpool is way, way better.

(through the eyes of a blinkered Scouser)

EuxTex · August 10th, 2012, 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFly

Deal with it. But don't take the piss out of Cardiff and then moan when the same dig is used against you.

You could use the same advice. So why don't you "deal with it"?

yoshef · August 10th, 2012, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VDB

Manchester = Beta

Betamax

EuxTex · August 10th, 2012, 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VDB

Manchester = Beta + world city.

Liverpool = doesn't register

San Antonio = doesn't register.

Conclusion:- Manchester is a shitehole and Liverpool is way, way better.

(through the eyes of a blinkered Scouser)

It was a Manc who, after a one night visit for a soccer game, called Moscow a "shithole". If Moscow is a
"shithole" then how would you describe Manchester? Also, have you ever visited San Antonio or the US for that matter? So how would you know whether or not San Antonio is a shithole? Compared to San Antonio, Manchester (beta city or not) is a dirty, damp, dank, drab, dull and yes, dangerous place. UNESCO claimed that one is more likely to meet with "random violence" in Manchester than in Rio de Janeiro. If Manchester is the epitome of a "beta city" (whatever that means) then I am pleased San Antonio isn't one.

PS: In the 1980's, when Liverpool had the reputation of being the "hub cap theft capital of the UK", my granpa had two rental vehicles burglarized and vandalized in Manchester in the same 24 hour period. What do they say, "give a dog a bad name"?

Chogmook · August 10th, 2012, 04:45 PM

Good work, he's taken the bait, now...just....hold him....in....here....

Toadboy · August 10th, 2012, 04:54 PM

Oh dear...

TheFly · August 10th, 2012, 05:05 PM

Manchester is shit, yet 2.6million people to Liverpool's 1.7million suggest our shit is tastier than your shit.

Feck none of us is Seattle, San Fran, Singapore or Sydney.

August 9th, 2012, 04:02 PM	#18822
Suburban Knight ßANNED Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Leeds! Posts: 3,885 Likes (Received): 22	I thought most people in South Wales weren't really supportive of the Welsh language, seeing as the North is the only place it remained a native language in any real numbers? Welsh only survives in the south now because of government support for it since the late 90s. __________________ Sometimes I wonder if the world's so small That we can never get away from the sprawl Living in the sprawl Dead shopping malls rise like mountains beyond mountains And there's no end in sight I need the darkness, someone please cut the lights

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Chogmook Mancunian Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Stalybridge, Manchester Posts: 6,155 Likes (Received): 13	Good work, he's taken the bait, now...just....hold him....in....here.... __________________ Britain is Great, Manchester is Greater!

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August 9th, 2012, 02:54 PM	#18821
Karldiff Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 711 Likes (Received): 3	I think James' post was in response to mine. I referred to some of the online commentators for our local rag in Cardiff being anti Welsh language and then commented it was refreshing that online commentators on local rags around the country were of a similar ilk (I meant misanthropic nutters). James has picked up on the fact that its unlikely that anyone outside Wales will give a monkeys about the Welsh language.

August 9th, 2012, 04:42 PM	#18823
Karldiff Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 711 Likes (Received): 3	Without getting too deep into it there are more Welsh speakers in terms of numbers in south Wales than north Wales. The percentage of speakers in north Wales is greater which is why its probably more visible/audible to the casual observer. Plus south Wales encompasses places like Monmouth or Chepstow on the English border where Welsh speakers will be very rare to places like the Swansea Valley, Gwendraeth valley etc where Welsh speakers are in the majority.

August 9th, 2012, 05:29 PM	#18824
JamesWales Registered User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: City of Cardiff Posts: 2,151 Likes (Received): 0	Wales is far more diverse than people give it credit. There are broad differences between North and South, but equally there are differences between East and West, or Valleys and Elsewhere, or Welsh speaking/Non Welsh speaking, or city/rural, or Welsh/English or Mining communities/farming communities or NE Wales/NW Wales.. You'll find some very militant Welsh speakers on the south coast in Caerdydd, and some scousers on the North coast in Rhyl who have never spoken Welsh in their lives. It's one of the reasons why I am frustrated and amused in equal measure when people resident in England talk of 'The Welsh' wanting this that or the other. People in Wales are probably less united on most things than people living in England..remember we have 4 major parties for 3 million people and England has 3 major parties for 50 million people! Stick two Welshmen in a room and they'll argue for hours. Bring an Englishman in and the Welsh will probably unite, sing some songs and put on a show of unity. I know Welsh people who frequently slag off the language, but as soon as an Englishman does it, they'll become instantly defensive of Welsh! Seriously, Wales is full of nutters..it's a fascinating place..deserves far more political investigation in my opinion. And yes, I was joking about anti-Welsh language letters in the Portsmouth Newspaper..I suspect they concentrate on slagging off the Froggies, The Saints and Peadatricians!

August 10th, 2012, 04:07 PM	#18832
TheFly BANNED Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,279 Likes (Received): 0	Of course Toadboy was slagging Cardiff was he? Dear, dear even when your own insult, to another city, is used against you, the whining starts! The only UK city renowed for wearing shell-suits was Liverpool. Is? Probably not thank God. Was? Yup Deal with it. But don't take the piss out of Cardiff and then moan when the same dig is used against you. Shameless. There you go, a clue for you to dig back at Manchester. Then again you may be too "witless"

August 10th, 2012, 04:12 PM	#18833
Karldiff Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 711 Likes (Received): 3	I think Toadboy was taking the piss out of Newport. The only trackies worn in Cardiff are vintage 70's Adidas ones with the stripes down the side of the tracky bottoms and even then they are only worn ironically.

August 10th, 2012, 05:05 PM	#18840
TheFly BANNED Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Manchester Posts: 6,279 Likes (Received): 0	Manchester is shit, yet 2.6million people to Liverpool's 1.7million suggest our shit is tastier than your shit. Feck none of us is Seattle, San Fran, Singapore or Sydney.