Gujarat Discussions Thread

[UMANGSHUKLA]

Originally Posted by gandhi.rushabh1992

Keshubhai forms Gujarat Parivartan Party

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I am not posting the full article as Server space should not be wasted for crap like this

[kongutamizhan]

Originally Posted by GJ10

Saurabh Patel does seem like the best candidate overall, lack of charisma after Modi will be noticeable, but he talks good economic sense. A lot of ppl talk about Modi running Gujarat more like a CEO than a CM, I think Saurabh Patel would def be able to continue that.

Saurabh Patel: No competition for Gujarat in years to come

What is his influence within the party? Will he have BJP top-brass, Modi or RSS backing?

[gandhi.rushabh1992]

He'll obv have Modi's backing. As to BJP and RSS, they are a confused and unpredictable lot...

[GujaratKaSher]

We have the longest coastline in India and yet not much ocean-front development that I know of.

Which place(s) do you all think have potential to draw in large amounts of tourists, both foreign and domestic?

Mandvi?

Verawal (Somnath Mandir) in Junagadh was also in the news about 1-2 years back for having whale sharks. Tourists pay hundreds, if not thousands of dollars to enter the water with them in places like Australia, the Philippines, and parts of Latin America.

Here's the article:
http://www.business-standard.com/ind...ourism/401947/

As for the subject of Modi, he's not going anywhere. No chance he loses. It must be devastating for his opponents, sitting around all day eating pakoras and drinking chai, trying to defame him (Only to be left looking foolish), plotting for a way to defeat him and then loot the state. Elections will come and Modi's margin of victory will only increase.

[gandhi.rushabh1992]

Haha that's a good start Welcome

Yes, we have'nt exploited our coastline to its full potential (with respect to tourism). Though the govt has just started to develop those places.

Industrially, our coastline is the most developed in India with more than 40 ports which handle a huge amount of exports...

[gandhi.rushabh1992]

‘Poaching threat to Gujarat lions in MP’

State Reiterates Stand Before Supreme Court


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New Delhi: The Gujarat government has reiterated it stand that some of Gir’s lions can’t be shifted to Madhya Pradesh because of rampant poaching in the neighbouring state. In the written submissions to the Supreme Court on Thursday after the final arguments were completed, the Modi government has said Madhya Pradesh has been unable to protect the tigers from poaching in Kanha and asked if it can be trusted with the safety of Gujarat’s pride.

At the root of the fraternal fight between two BJP ruled states is wildlife experts’ concern that the concentration of the Asiatic lions in Gir at one site makes them vulnerable to extinction by epidemic of the kind that has been the cause of decimation of several other species. The Shivraj Singh Chauhan government reacted to the fear by offering to take the lions to MP’s Kuno National Park that had been prepared to host tigers.

While the offer may have been motivated simply by the desire to boost MP’s tourism potential, the Gujarat government sees it as a potential threat to its unique branding around the world as the sole sanctuary of the Asiatic lions in wild.

“At the time when Madhya Pradesh was filing affidavits in this court supporting direction for translocation, the tiger population in Madhya Pradesh was being decimated. Tigers were being poached regularly and the Madhya Pradesh forest officers and wild life staff were grossly negligent in protecting tigers,” the Gujarat government has told the Supreme Court which is seized of a petition seeking safety of lions.

In an affidavit filed by Modi government’s counsel, Hemantika Wahi, Gujarat has cited the finding of a special investigation team (SIT) report in 2009 to say “MP has no institutional capacity to protect existing tiger population which was being poached at several locations.”

“The tiger population at Panna in Madhya Pradesh was around 25 in 2002. In seven years, the tiger population at Panna in April 2009 was ‘zero’,” the Gujarat government said as it sought to impress upon the Supreme Court that safety of the species must be considered paramount before implementing translocation project.

In Gujarat, the lions have been thriving — their population has risen from 180 in 1974 to 411 in 2010. The area of Gir’s protected habitat has also expanded from 1,412 square km in 1974 to 10,500 square kilometers in 2010, argued the Gujarat government.
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Why is MP so hell-bent on getting the lions when they are thriving in Gir. They have enough tourism potential without snatching the pride of a state that is tourism-starved as it is...

[CivilEngineer079]

Originally Posted by GujaratKaSher

We have the longest coastline in India and yet not much ocean-front development that I know of.

Which place(s) do you all think have potential to draw in large amounts of tourists, both foreign and domestic?

I think best place for tourism along seashore is National Marine Park.
It consists of more than 40 islands and out of them only 1 is allowed for civilians to visit. Best time for visiting that island is December-January means cold days. May be government is neglecting it due to heavy oil and container vessels ferrying in Gulf of Kutch and proximity to Pakistan so security matters.

I have heard about 1 banned island part of this park, from my guide. There is an island where nobody lives and covered with coconut trees and in center of island there is a fresh water lake. So just imagine you are sitting with your partner on beach with fresh coconut in hand and watching dolphins. How romantic it will be??

[kongutamizhan]

Keshubhai's GPP will get 40-60 seats. Hung assembly possible in GJ. Sickular prediction

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chann...modi-polls-662

After the election the same media will ask what's wrong with people of GJ, elected modi for 4th time?

[UMANGSHUKLA]

Originally Posted by kongutamizhan

Keshubhai's GPP will get 40-60 seats. Hung assembly possible in GJ. Sickular prediction

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chann...modi-polls-662

After the election the same media will ask what's wrong with people of GJ, elected modi for 4th time?

Congress paid them for such reports. I think Modi shall win atleast 125 seats and GPP will take a few but from congress's kitty. No wonder if congress ends up with less than 25

[GujaratKaSher]

I remember watching CNN-IBN and losers like Rajdeep Sardesai were devastated in 2007 when Modi won. This time around I'm thinking of buying some anti-depression pills and sending it to their office right before the election results come out.



@CivilEngineer079
The park you are talking about is in Jamnagar right? Haven't been myself but have see photos. It looks incredible, you can see marine life without even entering the water.

I never knew there were 40 islands, that's amazing. I bet it could give Daman/Diu and even Goa a run for their money if properly developed.

@gandhi.rushabh1992
Thanks for the welcome and your reply (Re: Trash bins on Sabarmati) in the other thread. I've especially enjoyed your updates ever since I found this websites months ago.

The fact that MP has ZERO tigers left in that park is pathetic. I wouldn't mind giving them some lions just to see if they can thrive in a different location, but that statistic shows they don't even deserve one at this point in time.

[gandhi.rushabh1992]

Yes, we dont have the luxury to experiment with the Asiatic Lions. They total under 500 (unlike their 70,000 African cousins). These are very unpredictable times and 500 is a number which can become extinct in very quick time...

[UMANGSHUKLA]

Originally Posted by gandhi.rushabh1992

Yes, we dont have the luxury to experiment with the Asiatic Lions. They total under 500 (unlike their 70,000 African cousins). These are very unpredictable times and 500 is a number which can become extinct in very quick time...

Why should we give that belongs to us? The asiatic lions chose GIR as their home, we didnot put them there. As per darwins theory, if we put any life form in a different ecosystem it may not adapt and may perish. Let them be in GIR

[Cosmicbliss]

Originally Posted by kongutamizhan

Keshubhai's GPP will get 40-60 seats. Hung assembly possible in GJ. Sickular prediction

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/chann...modi-polls-662

After the election the same media will ask what's wrong with people of GJ, elected modi for 4th time?

The truth is, its as hard for the Congress to beat Modi in Gujarat as it is for Modi to assume a national level role in the BJP/NDA. Especially since Nitish Kumar is around . Modi and Nitish should come together. That's the best way.

[GujaratKaSher]

^ Sadly I have to agree with you. Modi is facing not only opposition from the outsiders but his own party/alliances as well in some cases.

Nitish should stop being a duffer and realize that he needs the BJP more than the BJP needs him. I applaud his work in Bihar but enough is enough. He's not even that dominant in his own state. Gadkari needs to grow some balls and put Nitish in his place.

Tell Advani to give up on his PM dream. He had his chance last election.

I wish these VHP/RSS types would also keep quiet. You don't have to agree with all of NaMo's moves (Even I don't) but it's better they support him rather than giving indirect help to the opposition, especially Congress.

We are doomed if that 42 year old virgin Raul Vinci becomes PM. I really think he has mental problems.

If Modi can win this next election in convincing fashion he'll get a big boost of support for moving to the national level. That is my prediction.

[GujaratKaSher]

Should we allow Pakistani Hindu's to settle in Gujarat? I'm personally for it.

There's no comparison between them and Bangladeshi's. One group will be killed if they don't leave their country while the other is coming mostly for economic reasons. We know which is which. The only thing you have to be careful is that the Paki's don't send any spies with fake papers along with them.

A lot of these people that are coming over are well educated. Sindhi business men and doctors. We'll be like the western world, taking educated and skilled people from the developing world.

[Cosmicbliss]

Originally Posted by GujaratKaSher

^ Sadly I have to agree with you. Modi is facing not only opposition from the outsiders but his own party/alliances as well in some cases.

Nitish should stop being a duffer and realize that he needs the BJP more than the BJP needs him. I applaud his work in Bihar but enough is enough. He's not even that dominant in his own state. Gadkari needs to grow some balls and put Nitish in his place.

Tell Advani to give up on his PM dream. He had his chance last election.

I wish these VHP/RSS types would also keep quiet. You don't have to agree with all of NaMo's moves (Even I don't) but it's better they support him rather than giving indirect help to the opposition, especially Congress.

We are doomed if that 42 year old virgin Raul Vinci becomes PM. I really think he has mental problems.

If Modi can win this next election in convincing fashion he'll get a big boost of support for moving to the national level. That is my prediction.

Well yes and no. Even if he does win 2012, his critics will still be around. Remember that his biggest opponents are within the NDA, not outside it. Nitish Kumar has done some good work in Bihar. From what I can see, his fear seems to be that a lot of Hindu voters will swing away from the NDA if Modi is made PM candidate. I can't say he is entirely wrong in his feeling. Nitish is the NDA's face in Bihar and putting him in place is tough-who will replace him? The JDU-BJP alliance is a pretty stable alliance and rocking it doesn't make much sense. The only way out for the BJP may be to find someone who has acceptibility across the board. Its not only Nitish Kumar, as we all know, Nitish Kumar just publicly says things which Modi's critics within the NDA privately feel/say.

Who can fit the bill?

1. Arun Jaitely (no popular appeal)
2. LK Advani (too old)
3. Narendra Modi (perception outside Gujarat)
4. Nitish Kumar (still lot of work left in Bihar)
5. Dark horse?

One point to keep in mind is very few PMs of India have been major regional leaders or CMs prior to being PMs. Thats why, I doubt either NK or NM will be PM eventually. I think the BJP will have to someone else. Who?

[gandhi.rushabh1992]

Nitish should realise that in experience, expertise, governance and sheer quality and quantity of development achieved; he is still miles behind Modi.

And the way he deserted Modi and turned completely anti-Modi in an instant tells us about the selfish and dark side of the Bihar CM.

He must also understand that if Modi cannot become PM, he has certainly no chance whatsoever of becoming PM. All that Modi is anti-secular (whatever that means in India) is just BS. For years he was Modi's ally; he did not mind him being anti-secular then, suddenly he has become concious of secularism when there was the hint of projecting Modi as PM-candidate...

[Cosmicbliss]

Originally Posted by gandhi.rushabh1992

Nitish should realise that in experience, expertise, governance and sheer quality and quantity of development achieved; he is still miles behind Modi.

And the way he deserted Modi and turned completely anti-Modi in an instant tells us about the selfish and dark side of the Bihar CM.

He must also understand that if Modi cannot become PM, he has certainly no chance whatsoever of becoming PM. All that Modi is anti-secular (whatever that means in India) is just BS. For years he was Modi's ally; he did not mind him being anti-secular then, suddenly he has become concious of secularism when there was the hint of projecting Modi as PM-candidate...

Nitish is a shrewd politician. Think of him as a card player. What is his strongest card? The fact that-no prizes for guessing-he's a "secular" politician within the NDA. His development achievements-as I have pointed out in the Bihar thread-are barring roads, not all that impressive at all. In some areas, he has failed almost completely. (Higher education/electricity/investment) Also, if you think deeply, why does he attack Modi so often? One of the reasons is he wants to ensure that Modi's "non-secular" image doesn't go away. In a sense attacking Modi is his way of boxing Modi into a corner, and signalling "Look at me!"

[kongutamizhan]

Originally Posted by Cosmicbliss

One point to keep in mind is very few PMs of India have been major regional leaders or CMs prior to being PMs.

Actually I think that's our negative. One should have the experience of running a state before aspiring to run the nation

[kongutamizhan]

Also here is a news that Nitish supports Baba Ramdev. Is something brewing?

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/ba...e-otherstories

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This incident apart, NDA can forget forming government at center without Modi at helm. They have to weigh in the pros and cons and choose to let go of Nitish if it comes to it.

And yes Advani has ambitions, but I don't think he will stand in the way of Modi when things boil down