TAS - General Projects & Discussion (-5 lvl)

[CULWULLA]

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[CULWULLA]

[Trances]

Madness little look at Tas
but its offline right now

[Chuq]

http://www.themercury.news.com.au/co...5E3462,00.html

Developer ponders drawcard
By DANNY ROSE
26oct04
THE new owner of the former Antarctic Adventure building says it will be filled by "something the people of Hobart and Tasmania like".

But Tasmanian developer Robert Rockefeller said a decision on its future use was still months away.

Mr Rockefeller spoke publicly of the purchase of the cavernous Salamanca Square building for the first time yesterday.

It comes after the State Government's announcement last week that Mr Rockefeller's investment company had lodged the top, and successful, bid for the prime address.

The state-owned site of a former failed tourism venture was sold to Winrock Investments Pty Ltd for $2.4 million.

Mr Rockefeller said yesterday he was in a process of meeting the "key stakeholders" in the Hobart City Council and the precinct's body corporate.

It has been speculated the open-plan building, which has almost 4000 sq m of floor space over two levels, could be used to house a new cafe, restaurant and shops. It already has a small cinema.

Mr Rockefeller said the building offered a "large space" in a "good area" but he remained open to ideas about what to put there.

"We don't have any plans at the present time," he said yesterday.

"It will be a number of months before we do . . . but we will come up with something the people of Hobart and Tasmania like."

Mr Rockefeller also appeared to rule out talk that a fast food chain such as McDonald's could be a tenant in the redeveloped site.

"It's news to me," he said.

Any future use will have to comply with the Sullivans Cove Planning Scheme.

The State Government's move to sell the building on the open market followed a failed restricted-sale process which followed the closure of the poorly performing state-run tourist attraction Antarctic Adventure last year.

[Blend]

why would it be bad to have mcdonalds owning a shop?
wheres the site. in the cbd?
maybe they could divide the block up and sell it to other developers and keep some for themselves and build a decent sized office tower

[Chuq]

Originally Posted by Blend

why would it be bad to have mcdonalds owning a shop?
wheres the site. in the cbd?
maybe they could divide the block up and sell it to other developers and keep some for themselves and build a decent sized office tower

The site is in Salamanca, which is by the Hobart waterfront.
Due to public pressure the Hobart City Council is fairly sensitive about corporate developments there - they only recently allowed a McDonalds in the CBD.

On this map:
http://skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=61922

See where the Silos Apartments are marked... the row of trees to the left are along Salamanca Place.. just slightly below that (about 1/2 the length of the tree line) you can make out a green oval shape split into 6 sections? That area is Salamanca Square. The square building at the south-west is part of the Antarctic Adventure building - but a lot of that building is partially underground, so not visible on that map, obviously. This also makes building an office tower difficult. Not to mention it is immediately in front of a row of apartments, which would piss off some of them when their view of the harbour is replaced by a building!

[Chuq]

http://www.themercury.news.com.au/co...5E3462,00.html


High-rise living tops everything
By HEATHER LOW CHOY
17nov04

FIVE "six-star" penthouses to be built on top of Hobart's tallest building are expected to set property price records.

The double-storey penthouses, which have just been put on the market, are expected to sell for between $2 million and $4 million. Developers Basil and Justin Hetrel say "188 Collins", atop the Commonwealth Government Building, will also set benchmarks for quality in Hobart's property market. Basil Hetrel, a Melbourne-based investor, says he is planning to build the best apartments in Australia. "The views, size, design, quality and finishes are of the highest order," Mr Hetrel said. "No other development in Hobart comes close to what we are going to build here. "I looked in Belle magazine at last year's apartment of the year and I don't think it compares to our apartments at 188 Collins." The five penthouses range in size from 350 to 400 square metres and interiors feature finishes in Tasmanian specialty timbers and stone. Their lofty location provide views of the Derwent, Mt Wellington, Battery Point, Eastern Shore and northern suburbs. Architect Paul Newman said while no expense would be spared building the apartments, they were of a minimalist design. "They are striking enough to take people's interest, but minimalist enough that purchasers can make what they want of them," Mr Newman said. "The space is as suited to contemporary furniture as it is antiques." Mr Hetrel said he expected the most expensive apartment to be the easiest to sell. "The easiest apartment to sell is always the most expensive and best. It's an ego thing," he said. Mr Hetrel's family company Bellala Pty Ltd bought the Commonwealth Government Building at the corner of Collins St and Harrington St four years ago. Mr Hetrel's son Justin, who manages the building, said the top-floor residences will be private. "They will have separate entrances and car parking, and we will be building a new lift on the outside of the building just for the residents," he said. "The commercial and residential occupants will rarely cross paths."

Just wanted to add my bit - I didn't think 188 Collins was anywhere near Hobart's tallest building! The Casino is first, although not in the CBD. I thought the next two were the AMP Building and the Trafalgar Building.

[CULWULLA]

some one told me Trafalgar bldg is Commonwealth Gov bldg. so are the same building?
thats why on ss.com its listed as trafalgar bldg. its 55m/14st. so 3m lower then AMP.
Ill ring architect to get accurate data.
the project sounds cool! what a novel idea.
maybe they think its taller then AMP beacuse it actually is approx 2 storeys higher above se alevel, so it looks higher?
Also the wrest point isnt considered tallest bldg beacuse its 2km from CBD.

[Chuq]

Originally Posted by CULWULLA

some one told me Trafalgar bldg is Commonwealth Gov bldg. so are the same building?
thats why on ss.com its listed as trafalgar bldg. its 55m/14st. so 3m lower then AMP.
Ill ring architect to get accurate data.
the project sounds cool! what a novel idea.
maybe they think its taller then AMP beacuse it actually is approx 2 storeys higher above se alevel, so it looks higher?
Also the wrest point isnt considered tallest bldg beacuse its 2km from CBD.

Trafalgar bldg isn't the same as this one. Trafalgar is 110 Collins St - it has 2 storeys of shops and offices, then levels 3-12 are car park, then level 13, 14 15 are corp offices (Transend, Dept of Justice, LogicaCMG). Due to being mostly carpark, it is entirely likely it could be shorter than a building with slightly fewer floors.

The building in this article is 188 Collins. And yes, 188 Collins is further away from the harbour so it is at a higher land level.

I happened to find this pic I took - taken *from* level 12 of Trafalgar, with the exact building that the article is discussing right in the middle of the pic!

[CULWULLA]

thanks chuq. yes the architects said there building is higher above sea level then AMP which is further down collins.the article should read highest not tallest building. big difference.
im still waiting for official height.

[Chuq]

I don't know how I missed this, a $100 million development comprising several mixed use buildings (the tallest of which will be 'Launcestons tallest building', eight storeys but height not specified), a skybridge supported by 73m pylons.

The site for the development is the C.H. Smith building, one which has been a horrible eyesore for the city but has been ignored by developers due to heritage issues.

So far as height goes, the current tallest structure in Launceston is listed as York Park's lights at 60m.

Here is an article from July and three from the last fortnight:

http://www.examiner.com.au/story.asp?id=243352 - 29 July
C.H. Smith Development Proposal
Residential block would be city's tallest building (with pic)

http://www.examiner.com.au/story.asp?id=263033 - 29 November
Pylons would soar over development

http://www.examiner.com.au/story.asp?id=263199 - 30 November
Heritage council set to rule on Smith plan (with pic)

http://www.examiner.com.au/story.asp?id=263354 - 1 December
Spending up big in Launceston

Some pictures (although not very clear ones - I'm familiar with the area and I still can't work it out!)



THE C. H. SMITH PROPOSAL

• 149 residential one-, two- and three-bedroom apartments in six- and eight-storey buildings.
  
• A 87-room six-storey hotel including pool, gym, health spa, restaurant, business centre and hotel facilities and a two-storey penthouse.
  
• Two exhibition spaces proposed for Tasmanian produce and artworks.
  
• Development of the 1860s warehouse at 22 Charles St and neighbouring 1850s town- house to exhibition space and administration.
  
• Development of Canal St heritage-listed flour store to a restaurant.
  
• Plaza with kiosk.
  
• Five shops.
  
• A public pool and gym.
  
• A 530-space car park for hotel, residential and public use.
  
• A 320m pedestrian sky bridges supported by two 73m pylons to connect site to Queen Victoria Museum and Art Gallery in Wellington St and Old Seaport.
  
• Demolition of the Launceston Function Centre on Canal St, blue building housing C. H. Smith Marine in Canal St, 16-18 Charles St housing Anderson Morgan Consulting and Tasmanian Redline Head Office and red brick building at 20 Charles St.

[Jimmy James]

This looks very cool, for a city whose only recent construction has been that been those bloody Seaport Apartments, this should be a much needed shot in the arm.

[CULWULLA]

wow, what a great development! i count 9 levels in the towers, so maybe 27m tall?
73m pylons is a great height. thats same height as Wrest point casino in Hobart!
its about time we heard from launceston
thanks for story!

[Jimmy James]

I know - they couldn't have done this while I was living there?

great news for hobart, would love to visit, hopefully qantas will start up direct flights soon, im sure there is demand for it if perth can sustain flights to cairns im sure we could fill up direct perth - hobart flights

is there a big anti development crowd in hobart or is there general suport for development?

[Chuq]

Originally Posted by Jimmy James

I know - they couldn't have done this while I was living there?

I know.. I lived there for 24 years and not much happened.. though i was pretty young for most of those so i wasn't really paying attention.. and the Seaport Apartments are quite nice.. aren't too bad except that fish and chips for 4 people there cost over $50!

[Chuq]

Originally Posted by perthwa

is there a big anti development crowd in hobart or is there general suport for development?

In Hobart there is general support for development and rejuvenation of the waterfront area... stuff generally goes ahead (apart from the Mt Wellington cable car) and then gets complained about afterwards. The latest development in Hobart is the construction (= heightening) of penthouses on top of 188 Collins St - don't have the link here but it is in this forum.

In Launceston, I think they pretty much take whatever they can get - any development means a step towards being more like (or more than) Hobart!

[Jimmy James]

I notice that the plans call for a public pool, is there any news on the wave pool that they're supposed to be building near Racecourse Rd?

[1st Division Marine]

is hobart getting a new high rise skyscraper this will be interesting.