SHANGHAI | Public Transport

[_Night City Dream_]

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Please, post it to the Hangzhou subway thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1041465&page=3

[phoenixboi08]

Originally Posted by _Night City Dream_

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Please, post it to the Hangzhou subway thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...1041465&page=3

This was in regards to the discussion of the costs of operating metro systems...the article also mentions Shanghai. Moreover, the point is that it has implications for developments in Shanghai, which is why I posted it here.

[chornedsnorkack]

In which year shall metro line 11 be built between Shanghai and Suzhou?

[_Night City Dream_]

Originally Posted by phoenixboi08

This was in regards to the discussion of the costs of operating metro systems...the article also mentions Shanghai. Moreover, the point is that it has implications for developments in Shanghai, which is why I posted it here.

I mean you can duplicate it in that thread, too, as there is much about Hangzhou in the article.

[phoenixboi08]

Originally Posted by _Night City Dream_

I mean you can duplicate it in that thread, too, as there is much about Hangzhou in the article.

I thought you were implying I should post it there and not here. Sorry.

[hkskyline]

Bicycle rental program to spread
Shanghai Daily
Aug 15, 2012

THE bicycle rental service piloted at suburban Metro stations will be available around the city as Shanghai's transport authority pledged to find more ways to get around to residents working and living near traffic hubs.

The government will focus on solving the problem of "the last 1 kilometer," long the focus of complaints by residents who see a lack of options for the last part of their journeys, according to the local development and reform commission.

The bikes are now available at some districts like Minhang and the Pudong New Area.

Most of the bike sites are set close to Metro stations for passengers to rent for going home about 1 kilometer or more away from subway hubs.

Some sites, like the ones in downtown Jing'an District, are mainly for tourists. Similar rental programs have been used in other cities like Hangzhou.

The bike rental fees at Metro stations are relatively low, no more than 1 yuan (16 US cents) for each ride, while fees for tourists are higher, up to 10 yuan.

The bicycle rental program has been implemented in the city for years, but it is still limited to some districts so far because local traffic operators find some bikes are not returned and others are broken during usage.

The riders are supposed to have a bike card and deposit some money, such as 100 yuan, in it, officials said.

The cost also is a consideration. It's estimated that 200,000 bikes are needed citywide and 500 million yuan would have to be invested for the equipment and construction, not to mention the repair fees.

Some bike rental facilities were not popular among Metro passengers, and were removed from stations.

However, the transportation demand is still huge as the Metro network stretches to suburban districts.

Yang Juan, a resident in suburban Jiading District, said better transportation is needed in Jiading's Anting area - Metro Line 11 links Jiading to downtown, but it's not enough.

The district traffic officials said they were doing research on supplying bicycles to the riders. Also, the district will lengthen bus operation times to match Metro operations.

[hkskyline]

Toughest campaign yet to stop illegal cabs
Shanghai Daily
Aug 18, 2012

POLICE have set up 61 checkpoints around the city in their latest campaign to crack down on illegal taxis.

All cabs will be required to stop at the checkpoints, even if they have passengers inside, so that police officers can verify whether the cabbie has a valid license.

The campaign will last one month and officers are calling it the toughest yet to take so-called cloned cabs off city streets.

In the past, police relied on experience to detect suspicious taxis. They would then stop the cab for a check when it did not disturb traffic. This proved inefficient and risky, police said.

With the checkpoints it will take less than one minute for an officer to identify a licensed cab as they will be aided by high-tech equipment, officials said.

By the end of June, electronic tags had been installed on all licensed taxis to allow for instant identification. Police will use specially made personal digital assistants to verify the digital tabs during checks.

If police find fake taxi documents, they will detain the driver and impound the vehicle, officials said.

The checkpoints will be set up mainly in areas like Lujiazui and People's Square, where illegal cabs are known to operate. Most of the check points will be near on-off ramps for elevated roads and tunnel entrances, police said. The check points will be in effect daily during the campaign from 7pm until late at night.

Private vehicles will not be stopped for checks, police added.

Traffic police estimate there are 5,000 illegal taxis operating in the city.

[phoenixboi08]

Originally Posted by hkskyline

Toughest campaign yet to stop illegal cabs
Shanghai Daily
Aug 18, 2012

POLICE have set up 61 checkpoints around the city in their latest campaign to crack down on illegal taxis.

All cabs will be required to stop at the checkpoints, even if they have passengers inside, so that police officers can verify whether the cabbie has a valid license.

The campaign will last one month and officers are calling it the toughest yet to take so-called cloned cabs off city streets.

In the past, police relied on experience to detect suspicious taxis. They would then stop the cab for a check when it did not disturb traffic. This proved inefficient and risky, police said.

With the checkpoints it will take less than one minute for an officer to identify a licensed cab as they will be aided by high-tech equipment, officials said.

By the end of June, electronic tags had been installed on all licensed taxis to allow for instant identification. Police will use specially made personal digital assistants to verify the digital tabs during checks.

If police find fake taxi documents, they will detain the driver and impound the vehicle, officials said.

The checkpoints will be set up mainly in areas like Lujiazui and People's Square, where illegal cabs are known to operate. Most of the check points will be near on-off ramps for elevated roads and tunnel entrances, police said. The check points will be in effect daily during the campaign from 7pm until late at night.

Private vehicles will not be stopped for checks, police added.

Traffic police estimate there are 5,000 illegal taxis operating in the city.

The easiest thing to do is just ask WHY they're getting business in the first place

[Pansori]

I'd like to make a little observation of what I witnessed over my 10 day stay in Shanghai. Almost every time I was using metro I was seeing people jumping over ticket barriers. I know some people try to avoid paying for tickets but in Shanghai this somewhat caught my attention because this seemed to be rampant. Station staff didn't seem interested in observing this not to mention stopping or punishing the offenders. I wonder if this is really common and if authorities are aware of that?

[phoenixboi08]

Originally Posted by Pansori

I'd like to make a little observation of what I witnessed over my 10 day stay in Shanghai. Almost every time I was using metro I was seeing people jumping over ticket barriers. I know some people try to avoid paying for tickets but in Shanghai this somewhat caught my attention because this seemed to be rampant. Station staff didn't seem interested in observing this not to mention stopping or punishing the offenders. I wonder if this is really common and if authorities are aware of that?

I've seen that too...I've also noticed that many people won't submit to the security checks, because those officials are not police officers (think of them as the TSA, just not as mean lol). I've been wondering what they can do to alleviate those things.

What have you seen in other metros in regards to this?

[Pansori]

Originally Posted by phoenixboi08

I've seen that too...I've also noticed that many people won't submit to the security checks, because those officials are not police officers (think of them as the TSA, just not as mean lol). I've been wondering what they can do to alleviate those things.

What have you seen in other metros in regards to this?

I've never seen this in Singapore and only a few times in London (where I live). The latter may be due to heavy security staff presence in most stations. In Germany most (all?) metros don't even have ticket barriers.

[Geography]

Traffic police estimate there are 5,000 illegal taxis operating in the city.

What are the alleged harms of illegal taxis?

[Pansori]

Originally Posted by Geography

What are the alleged harms of illegal taxis?

Damage to legitimate taxi services and tax evasion?

[hkskyline]

Originally Posted by Geography

What are the alleged harms of illegal taxis?

I would think extortion or inflated fares would be a real issue, especially in the late night.

[phoenixboi08]

Originally Posted by hkskyline

I would think extortion or inflated fares would be a real issue, especially in the late night.

Bingo! But the quickest way to solve the problem, is to extend some metro/bus services. For instance, in Jiading, where I would often go to visit a Uni campus, the bus services would stop after about 9:30pm. So I would have to leave the city by about 6pm (it's a 1h45min journey from Yangpu District) or so to be able to take the bus. And as the particular station in question (Shanghai Automobile City) is on a highway/expressway. There are virtually no taxis.

Thus, you have 2 options, continue one station down to Anting City and take a taxi (about 30rmb fare from the city to the Uni) from there or take a black taxi from the SAC station (5rmb)...

If you've spent any time in China, you'll know that most people - even yourself if you've been there long enough - will always vie for the cheapest alternative. Even at the expense of safety (those black taxis don't heed traffic lights. the quicker they get you to your destination, the quicker they can return to the station to take someone else).

If they extended the buses at the very LEAST until the metro stopped service, they'd undercut the service of those black taxis, because you can take the bus for free if you transfer within a certain time frame from a Subway.

Problem solved

[hkskyline]

Originally Posted by phoenixboi08

Bingo! But the quickest way to solve the problem, is to extend some metro/bus services. For instance, in Jiading, where I would often go to visit a Uni campus, the bus services would stop after about 9:30pm. So I would have to leave the city by about 6pm (it's a 1h45min journey from Yangpu District) or so to be able to take the bus. And as the particular station in question (Shanghai Automobile City) is on a highway/expressway. There are virtually no taxis.

Thus, you have 2 options, continue one station down to Anting City and take a taxi (about 30rmb fare from the city to the Uni) from there or take a black taxi from the SAC station (5rmb)...

If you've spent any time in China, you'll know that most people - even yourself if you've been there long enough - will always vie for the cheapest alternative. Even at the expense of safety (those black taxis don't heed traffic lights. the quicker they get you to your destination, the quicker they can return to the station to take someone else).

If they extended the buses at the very LEAST until the metro stopped service, they'd undercut the service of those black taxis, because you can take the bus for free if you transfer within a certain time frame from a Subway.

Problem solved

That's very true. I was quite appalled that subway and maglev service from Pudong ends at around 9pm.

Last trains on the other lines hover around 10-11pm-ish, which is quite early, but is that the standard across all Chinese metros?

[_Night City Dream_]

By the way, a taxi form Pudong especially late in the evening is quite costly. I lived at Dapuqiao and the ride cost me more than 200 yuan, it was some 23 o'clock as I landed late, and the taxi driver couldn't cheat me as I know Shanghai quite well, so, the track was more or less straight. But still, 200 yuan is quite much.

For metro line 9 the last trains are at 22:47 and 22:54 respectively.

[phoenixboi08]

Originally Posted by hkskyline

That's very true. I was quite appalled that subway and maglev service from Pudong ends at around 9pm.

Last trains on the other lines hover around 10-11pm-ish, which is quite early, but is that the standard across all Chinese metros?

Yeah, but it's kind of weird because it also depends where you are going...Typically, that last train will leave either terminus at around 9. It all depends how near you are to that terminus. If you're at one end and need to get to the other, you have to catch it by 9. But if you live in the middle of a line, you have more options. I've been out until almost 11 and was still able to catch the subway home (Wujiaochang Station).

For example, I lived near Fudan in Yangpu and was going to SH Automobile City. Therefore, I had to take Line 10 from Jiangwan to Hailun, then transfer to Line 4, and finally get on Line 11 at Caoyang Rd. Because the terminus for line 11 (Jiangsu Rd.) was only 2 stops away, if I didn't make it to Caoyang by around 9:04pm. I wouldn't be able to make it to Jiading/Anting.

There were MANY times that I - and everyone else for that matter - had to run from the Line 3/4 platforms down into the Line 11 platforms in the basement

I think, because they are already operating at below the actual fare (in terms of what it actually costs them, per passenger, to run the cars), they don't run it at night because that cost is higher(?) At least, that's my assumption.

[dandmcd]

Originally Posted by phoenixboi08

I've seen that too...I've also noticed that many people won't submit to the security checks, because those officials are not police officers (think of them as the TSA, just not as mean lol). I've been wondering what they can do to alleviate those things.

What have you seen in other metros in regards to this?

In Guangzhou they are pretty tough on people who try to jump the gates. They have many Metro security guards stationed throughout the stations, and they will use a lot of intimidation on somebody who attempts to jump, or their card doesn't work for whatever reason. They are very fast and alert of things here. Usually, at least at the stations near where I live there are bike patrol police officers roaming the underground tunnels and streets nearby, just in case they need to spring into action at the Metro.

[phoenixboi08]

Originally Posted by dandmcd

In Guangzhou they are pretty tough on people who try to jump the gates. They have many Metro security guards stationed throughout the stations, and they will use a lot of intimidation on somebody who attempts to jump, or their card doesn't work for whatever reason. They are very fast and alert of things here. Usually, at least at the stations near where I live there are bike patrol police officers roaming the underground tunnels and streets nearby, just in case they need to spring into action at the Metro.

That's good...I've seen people just walk past the security check as if it wasn't there, which pisses me off...It's going to take something bad to happen before people just take the extra 10 seconds to send their bag through the scanner.