West Street Area Developments

[soupçon]

What's 'spalling'?

I presume Hella means the river-facing part of the Civil Service building near Lady's Bridge. There could be another building I don't know though...

[judd newto]

Originally Posted by soupçon

What's 'spalling'?

I presume Hella means the river-facing part of the Civil Service building near Lady's Bridge. There could be another building I don't know though...

Well I do not know what the new kids on the block call facing material that separates from its main structure often leaving exposed steel work behind but lads on the sites always refered to it as spalling.

I has been a problem on Park Hill due to the reinforcing steel work being to close to the cast concrete face allowing the steel to RUST ,expand and force the face away.

[hella good]

Yes I was referring to the corten on Vulcan House

[judd newto]

Originally Posted by hella good

Yes I was referring to the corten on Vulcan House

Sorry hella , but I think who ever is responsable for that is crackers.

[AdamBlade]

In your opinion

[judd newto]

Originally Posted by AdamBlade

In your opinion

Of course.

[hella good]

It's not to everybody's taste but for me corten is a great material

[judd newto]

Originally Posted by hella good

It's not to everybody's taste but for me corten is a great material

This is getting complicated hella ,I thought it was natural rust the curse that every one up to now has been trying to get rid of.
Thats why Sheffielders invented stainless steel although the stuff they used on the Brown Street trumpet was not made in Sheffield [disgraceful] and is in fact stained.

[Steel City Suburb]

Originally Posted by judd newto

This is getting complicated hella ,I thought it was natural rust the curse that every one up to now has been trying to get rid of.
Thats why Sheffielders invented stainless steel although the stuff they used on the Brown Street trumpet was not made in Sheffield [disgraceful] and is in fact stained.

It doesn't get complicated at all, because the rest of your post makes no sense and is irrelevant.

[judd newto]

Originally Posted by Steel City Suburb

It doesn't get complicated at all, because the rest of your post makes no sense and is irrelevant.

Thank you.

[hella good]

So what you're saying is that we should limit our city's architectural materials because it doesn't fit with your idea of what is right? Even though the buildings use or the history of the site has nothing to do with steel. Considering that our wide use of steel and stainless steel is quite heavily criticized not just by sheffielders but many of us on this forum as being too literal and overdone. I am not for one second saying that our history or industry is not great and shouldn't be respected, I in fact praise its applications wherever possible, however I do think that your argument is rather ridiculous. The use of corten could in fact bee seen as an interesting architectural juxtaposition, I don't see why it should be criticized for being rust instead of being heralded as a clever application of something that used to be a detriment which has now been rethought and engineered to enhance a building. After all it is no different from many other architectural materials that have undergone a chemical change in order to alter their appearance, whether it be naturally or induced, materials such as copper or dare I say it, stainless steel.

I respect anyone's opinion to like or dislike something, as is their prerogative, however I feel that your argument is rather flimsy. Going on the same idea it would be like saying that the people of Manchester can wear nothing but cotton or that everyone in Nottingham should have lace tablecloths.

[judd newto]

Originally Posted by hella good

So what you're saying is that we should limit our city's architectural materials because it doesn't fit with your idea of what is right? Even though the buildings use or the history of the site has nothing to do with steel. Considering that our wide use of steel and stainless steel is quite heavily criticized not just by sheffielders but many of us on this forum as being too literal and overdone. I am not for one second saying that our history or industry is not great and shouldn't be respected, I in fact praise its applications wherever possible, however I do think that your argument is rather ridiculous. The use of corten could in fact bee seen as an interesting architectural juxtaposition, I don't see why it should be criticized for being rust instead of being heralded as a clever application of something that used to be a detriment which has now been rethought and engineered to enhance a building. After all it is no different from many other architectural materials that have undergone a chemical change in order to alter their appearance, whether it be naturally or induced, materials such as copper or dare I say it, stainless steel.

I respect anyone's opinion to like or dislike something, as is their prerogative, however I feel that your argument is rather flimsy. Going on the same idea it would be like saying that the people of Manchester can wear nothing but cotton or that everyone in Nottingham should have lace tablecloths.

I,l get mi coat!

[Bladerunner]

Originally Posted by Steel City Suburb

It doesn't get complicated at all, because the rest of your post makes no sense and is irrelevant.

Personally, I think Judd is one of this site's more interesting contributors. But each to his own

[Steel City Suburb]

I'd find him interesting if points were relevant and not (so to speak) narrow minded / one sided.

It is a different view point, and its not always wrong but for the majority of the time its re-hashed, repeated and doesn't consider what other posters try to input. For example the entire Corten issue here, issues regarding Park Hill and Castle Markets etc. This leads to a mildly healthy discussion.

Judd would be much better if posts were well structured, spelt and considered other views. In the majority of posts Judd reminds me of a politician towing the party line.

[muddycoffee]

What's wrong with having people (if you like) less broad minded or traditionally minded, on this forum. When large buildings are built in our city, we have to live with them for the rest of our lives. If we were only radical structure fans, then it would be a poor representation of local opinion.

I welcome Judd and people like him, as well as fashionable architecture types. It all helps me to get a better understanding of the issues involved with these new buildings.

[hella good]

At the end of the day beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Everyone has different feelings towards stuff, there are as many opinions as there are people.

[Crookes]

This Corten stuff reminds me of Instagram photos - its the modern phenomena of "deliberately looking a bit rubbish to mask the fact that it doesn't look great", trying to make its weakness into a selling point.

The place on West Street looks like its going to be another one of those "love it or hate it" buildings which Sheffield has more than enough of already - there'll probably be heated debates in fifty years when its proposed for demolition. Plus ca change...

[hella good]

I guess if you're a fan of color, texture and a raw kind of architecture then corten is your thing. I think its great, but i like almost every type of architecture there is, minus Gaudi and a majority of Gothic churches, whereas most would class those as the best examples of architecture. I think its a good thing that previously unused materials are being introduced to Sheffield as its general material palette is getting decidedly boring and monotonous.

I also love Instagram photos

[judd newto]

Originally Posted by Steel City Suburb

I'd find him interesting if points were relevant and not (so to speak) narrow minded / one sided.

It is a different view point, and its not always wrong but for the majority of the time its re-hashed, repeated and doesn't consider what other posters try to input. For example the entire Corten issue here, issues regarding Park Hill and Castle Markets etc. This leads to a mildly healthy discussion.

Judd would be much better if posts were well structured, spelt and considered other views. In the majority of posts Judd reminds me of a politician towing the party line.

Thanks for analysing me Steel City? .
As far as I am concerned Architecture is in the eye of the beholder and as a bricklayer by trade the first thing I look for is brick or stone work.
The West Street buildings that catch my eye are the one built in blue brickwork across from Glossop Road Baths and the other one is on the old Saddle site further down on the same side , both traditional buildings built to high standards.
Now when I look across the road and see something that is in my opinian is a bloody mess as I think the rust job is I will say so.
I also think that many people jump on the bandwagon when such buildings are being discussed as they do not want to be the only one not to see the Kings clothes!
As for my posts not being structured and spelt etc, Sorry will try to do better.
Just thought on the blue brick one it is Sinclairs.Magic!

[arepeejee]

Sinclairs is one of the best buildings in the city I think, and very much overlooked by the general public.

I sort of like corten, more the texture than anything, but it does look a bit messy. If you see how they've used it on the Jessop building round the back you'll see what I mean.