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Old July 30th, 2012, 10:26 PM   #61
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According to this: http://www.statoids.com/uso.html - near the bottom -

Middle Shabelle is roughly 22,000 square km - while your document said it's 60,000 sq km and according to this document: http://www.qaranka.com/Tbidix/1ahassnib10x.html

Middle Shabelle is 18,631 sq km.

The document you cited is way different than these other citations - clearly if Middle Shabelle's size can't be adequately guaged then relying on those population estimates doesn't make much sense.
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Old July 30th, 2012, 11:38 PM   #62
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This isn't some random number by western aid agencies - this is by the UN. They use these population estimates for aid delivery and humanitarian supplies. If anything their bias is to inflate these figures since it's in their interest.

There is a common problem with Somalis of over estimating their numbers especially clans. Every clan aims to vastly inflate their numbers. You haven't substantiated your position except with an out of date report. And anecodatal evidence is hard to take seriously.
The 2 million was a figure which came from an actual Somali government census in the 1980s. I will take that as more credible than a random figure circulated by a Western agency that never did a census or any sort of head count. I call it random because it's statistically fraudulent and has no basis. No UN agency every went to Somalia to do a census, so that entirely nullifies any sort of a population claim they can make. Again, considering the fact that I was there till very recently, ain't no way you are going to tell me the population of middle Shabelle is 500,000. These sorts of random weird numbers are hilarious because even a quick peruse of Jowhar on Google Earth will establish that it's a city of at least 450,000 people.

But then, you are entitled to your opinion. No matter how unsubstantiated and creepy.
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Old July 31st, 2012, 01:53 AM   #63
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According to this: http://www.statoids.com/uso.html - near the bottom -

Middle Shabelle is roughly 22,000 square km - while your document said it's 60,000 sq km and according to this document: http://www.qaranka.com/Tbidix/1ahassnib10x.html

Middle Shabelle is 18,631 sq km.

The document you cited is way different than these other citations - clearly if Middle Shabelle's size can't be adequately guaged then relying on those population estimates doesn't make much sense.
Lol, bro you know your assertions are utter none sense. Middle Shabelle Region is 60,000 sq km with a coast line of 400 km. You probably have never been there yourself, all you have are random numbers thrown by a UN agency that has never measured the land of Middle Shabelle Region more nor taken a census of the region, despite their claims being contrary to the official census taken by the previous Somali government before its collapse. I don't know what you are trying to achieve with these misplaced denials but as I said whatever rocks your boat.

Balcad District alone has a population of 480,000 and here you are making these stupid claims.

Bal'ad is one of the districts of Middle Shabelle region of Somalia. It is located about 36 kilometers northeast of the capital city of Mogadishu, it has an area of 4,400 square kilometers (1,700 sq mi) with an estimated population of 480,000.


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Old July 31st, 2012, 03:51 AM   #64
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^ Your pics, as usual, are gold.
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Old July 31st, 2012, 02:48 PM   #65
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Lol, bro you know your assertions are utter none sense. Middle Shabelle Region is 60,000 sq km with a coast line of 400 km. You probably have never been there yourself, all you have are random numbers thrown by a UN agency that has never measured the land of Middle Shabelle Region more nor taken a census of the region, despite their claims being contrary to the official census taken by the previous Somali government before its collapse. I don't know what you are trying to achieve with these misplaced denials but as I said whatever rocks your boat.

Balcad District alone has a population of 480,000 and here you are making these stupid claims.

Bal'ad is one of the districts of Middle Shabelle region of Somalia. It is located about 36 kilometers northeast of the capital city of Mogadishu, it has an area of 4,400 square kilometers (1,700 sq mi) with an estimated population of 480,000.


http://www.nayd.org/PDF/Need%20Asses...e%20Region.pdf
Odd that you should talk about unsubstantiated and creepy. You truly are a joker.

The distance from Mogadishu to Ceeldheere in Galgudud region on the coast is 285 km. This is well past the coastal boundaries of Middle Shabelle. Here:

COORDINATES +
TOTAL DISTANCE

Mogadishu, SO 45.3667 2.0667
Ceeldheere, SO 47.2000 3.8500
Miles: 176.47
Kilometers: 283.99
Bearing: NE

http://www.mapcrow.info/cgi-bin/citi...4=-4558528%2CC


Middle Shabelle does not possess 400 Km of coastline in any shape way or form. Mogadishu to Hobyo is roughly 500 Km, Mogadishu to Galkayo is rougly 700 km - and here you're saying Middle Shabelle has 400 Km of coastline - get a grip. This entirely nullifies you claims re 60,000 sq km and 400 km of coastline and that fraudelent document posted on the internet.

The pre war 'census' is also an estimate as is the UN estimate. It's amazing that you claim:

"I will take that as more credible than a random figure circulated by a Western agency that never did a census or any sort of head count. I call it random because it's statistically fraudulent and has no basis. No UN agency every went to Somalia to do a census, so that entirely nullifies any sort of a population claim they can make."

How do you know any of this? That the UN never did any sort of head count etc. Or that the Somali government 'census' is any more reliable. Talk about unsubstantiated.

Additionally - the document that you cited above is a local Somali NGO that is in the business of soliciting help from the international community and its numbers are totally suspect - just this reveals it much :

"Somali People Displacement and Development Organization (SOPDDO) would be pleased to assist all involved humanitarian actors who desire to help the suffering communities across Middle Shabelle and other regions in south central Somalia."

Here is Jowhar from Google Earth:



The town is roughly 3 km by 3 km - or 9 km squared not including outlying farmland and villages. So for your claim of a population of at least '450,000' there would have to be 50,000 ppl per square km - highly unlikely given the town layout and appearance. And this density would exceed that of the current most densely populated city Manilla at 43,079 per sq km - see here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...lation_density

Clearly you have little sense of geography and population. And you're stubborn, presumptious and condescending to boot. I would advise you not to debate with anyone regarding topics of which you have little sense.

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Old August 1st, 2012, 12:20 AM   #66
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I think this discussion is becoming repetitive. Having said that, I think you might be right that the Middle Shabelle Region's coast-line might be less than 400 KM. I have always read and assumed that the 400 KM used by the media was the appropriate one, so thanks for clarifying that. With regards to the population, I am not convinced that the population of the region is 500,000. Certainly, that's not the impression I got when I was there as the region is very populated and especially considering the fact that commercial farming is inherently labour intensive. The numbers provided by the government census is realistic to me considering the fact that they carried out real census throughout Somalia. Now, you might say and have hinted that these numbers could be baised and whatever, that's not a determination I can make and I have no reason to disbelieve their figures. Again, you are welcome to disagree and think otherwise.
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Old August 1st, 2012, 03:46 AM   #67
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There hasn't been a census in Somalia since 1975. With that in mind, and the fact that the population movement is very fluid (due to war, drought, etc), I don't think anyone knows who lives anywhere in Somalia...nobody can really say others are wrong or right with their estimates. Too much unknown variables.
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Old August 24th, 2012, 04:39 AM   #68
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http://radiomuqdisho.net/masuuliyiin...eenna-sawirro/
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Old August 24th, 2012, 05:05 AM   #69
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What would be interesting to see is farm pics in areas outside the rivers, like in the North. Gabiley has some farms. But pics are rare.
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Old August 24th, 2012, 08:30 PM   #70
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Good afternoon!

The pics of farmlands of Somalia, reminds me the northen and caribbean planes of Costa Rica, where there is a lot of zone planted with banana, fruits like pinneaple, mellon, watermellon and anothers. Landscape is similar.

Nice pictures and info, thanks for sharing!
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Old September 28th, 2012, 03:25 AM   #71
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Somewhere in Hiiraan region, onions are harvested and ready to be shipped to Central and Northern Somali regions.

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Farms somewhere in Hiiraan region


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Great pics!
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Janaale Qoryooley farms, Lower Shabelle.

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Janale-Qoryooley. Lower Shabelle. Southern Somalia
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A farm in gobolka Gedo.

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Adopting Irrigation Technologies. Although we ought to use drip-irrigation technology as that allows more efficient use of the limited water resourcses and results in less water evaporation.

In the fertile Southern Regions.

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In the arid Northern regions.


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The Agricultural potential is immense. Yet so little utilisation
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