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jack_jones · May 31st, 2012, 10:52 AM

CWG are also bidding to develop the royals business park in the royal docks further east. Designs will be released later this year.

annamaria4711 · June 1st, 2012, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by DarJoLe

The Billinsgate site could end up going, that's equivalent to two North Quays, especially the section by the McDonalds.

Billinsgate market is due to move soon, however that site is owned by the City of London and not CW. also the site where McDonals is, McD have planning permission to build a 30 storey tower...they paid LBTH something around £3.5M in 106....wonder where that money will get spent...hmmmm let me see now...LBTH pension pot I believe ...not the local area....

jack_jones · June 1st, 2012, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by annamaria4711

Billinsgate market is due to move soon, however that site is owned by the City of London and not CW. also the site where McDonals is, McD have planning permission to build a 30 storey tower...they paid LBTH something around £3.5M in 106....wonder where that money will get spent...hmmmm let me see now...LBTH pension pot I believe ...not the local area....

Where is billingsgate market moving to?

annamaria4711 · June 1st, 2012, 05:10 PM

somewhere around the M11 link road...near Leyton where the new covent garden market is based.... the last time I heard ...read said link.... http://www.publications.parliament.u...01/3063006.htm
but since the letter (attached link) nothing has been done, however now that the porters roles is open to market I think its only time before the rest of the market moves closer to more accessible motorways etc...as a lot of the fish comes from Norfolk etc...

gegloma01 · September 14th, 2012, 11:59 AM

"Architect Terry Farrell & Partners have been appointed to develop masterplan for the site, where a full development review is taking place in light of changing market conditions.

It is anticipated that the site will comprise around 3,000 residential units complementing 2.15m sq ft of commercial office space and a further 240,000 sq ft of retail, cultural and community space. "

In May 2009, the current master plan received planning consent for 4.6m sq ft net. This consent, which was renewed in 2012 and represents an area almost one third of the size of the Estate, currently comprises approximately 1.25m sq ft of residential, 3.1m sq ft of offices, 0.2m sq ft of retail and a 0.2m sq ft hotel.

Having secured full control of the scheme the best uses for the site are being reviewed, potentially altering the mix of uses in favour of residential, reducing the size of individual office buildings to appeal to new target sectors and to integrate and connect this new district to the existing Estate.

http://www.digitallook.com/news/rns/...ly_Report_html

delores · September 15th, 2012, 12:23 AM

makes alot of sense, I'm surprised wood wharf has been so slow, the potential there is enormous.

eXSBass · September 16th, 2012, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by gegloma01

"Architect Terry Farrell & Partners have been appointed to develop masterplan for the site, where a full development review is taking place in light of changing market conditions.

It is anticipated that the site will comprise around 3,000 residential units complementing 2.15m sq ft of commercial office space and a further 240,000 sq ft of retail, cultural and community space. "

In May 2009, the current master plan received planning consent for 4.6m sq ft net. This consent, which was renewed in 2012 and represents an area almost one third of the size of the Estate, currently comprises approximately 1.25m sq ft of residential, 3.1m sq ft of offices, 0.2m sq ft of retail and a 0.2m sq ft hotel.

Having secured full control of the scheme the best uses for the site are being reviewed, potentially altering the mix of uses in favour of residential, reducing the size of individual office buildings to appeal to new target sectors and to integrate and connect this new district to the existing Estate.

http://www.digitallook.com/news/rns/...ly_Report_html

Masterplan? I thought the masterplan had already been planned?

annamaria4711 · September 16th, 2012, 05:32 PM

that"s what I thought too

Black Cat · September 16th, 2012, 05:47 PM

Sounds like a big rethink, and probably a smart one financially - focussing on residential blocks rather than offices.

Zin5ki · September 16th, 2012, 06:23 PM

What we must now be wary of is jagged, jutting balconies that offset any potential sleekness.

danm · September 16th, 2012, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by eXSBass

Masterplan? I thought the masterplan had already been planned?

Existing masterplan must now be deemed unaffordable in the current economic climate.

Trances · September 17th, 2012, 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by annamaria4711

Billinsgate market is due to move soon, however that site is owned by the City of London and not CW. also the site where McDonals is, McD have planning permission to build a 30 storey tower...they paid LBTH something around £3.5M in 106....wonder where that money will get spent...hmmmm let me see now...LBTH pension pot I believe ...not the local area....

Is there any thing even planned for the Market site ?

woodgnome · October 20th, 2012, 12:43 PM

Canary Wharf banking on bright future with £2bn plan for Shoreditch-style shops

-- Link to London Evening Standard article --

Canary Wharf plans to shake off its image as a windswept financial ghetto by building a £2 billion “urban village” next to its trademark skyscrapers. The owners of the Docklands banking district want to make Canary Wharf - once notorious for its absence of shops and restaurants - into a vibrant East End “creative quarter.”

The first element involves turning the entire 39th floor of the highest skyscraper, One Canada Square, into a “nursery” for growing technology firms to bring “a touch of Shoreditch” into E14. There will also be a four storey shopping centre - due to open in 2015 - above the new Crossrail terminal at Canary Wharf.

But the biggest element of the overhaul is the masterplan for the currently unused 17 acre Wood Wharf site. It is still being drawn up in consultation with local residents by urban planner Sir Terry Farrell ahead of a planning application next Spring. Sir Terry’s new “low rise” vision replaces an earlier plan for more huge towers from rival architect Lord Rogers.

In the new scheme there will be around 3000 homes. John Garwood, Canary Wharf Group’s company secretary, said: ”People now want to live and work in a close community in the same area, they don’t want to commute in any more.” Wood Wharf will be two thirds residential and one third commercial, breathing life into an area dominated by bank offices. It will also make far more use of the surrounding water than the original Canary Wharf.

The first phase of the conversion of Canary Wharf from “City satellite” to “the new Shoreditch” begins in January when “Level 39” opens to technology entrepreneurs. Eric Van Der Kleij, special adviser to property company Canary Wharf Group, says the project will be “Europe’s biggest financial services technology space.”

From launch in the New Year it will provide a whole range of subsidised facilities, from office space and a boardroom to so called “sandboxes” where new software codes can be tested securely. The suspended ceilings from the former KPMG office space are being ripped out to give it are more edgy industrial East End feel. Mr Van Der Kleij said: “We would hope the successful start-ups of Shoreditch would see this as place to grow up. We will start initially with financial services but the next phase will be retail services.”

Around 100,000 people work in Canary Wharf during the week - a figure that is expected to double by 2025 - and between 50,000 and 60,000 visit at the weekend. There were just six shops when the first offices opened in the new Docklands financial district in 1991. Now there are 200 with 68 bars, cafes and restaurants and Europe’s largest health club.

The Canary Wharf Group is planning to develop the Wood Wharf scheme over the next 10 years with the first phase commencing in 2014 and completing in time for Crossrail trains running through Canary Wharf from 2018. Sir George Iacobescu, chairman of Canary Wharf Group, said: ”The development strategy will focus on establishing Wood Wharf as a new creative district for London with a siginificant residential element drawing on the strengths of Canary Wharf’s amenities, employment and transport infrastructure.”

The Key Changes:

39th floor of One Canada Square skyscraper turned into 29,000 sq ft subsidised “incubator” for tech companies
Huge transport improvements with Crossrail arriving in 2018
New four storey shopping mall above Crossrail with Lord Foster designed park on roof opening 2015.
Extension of existing shopping area at Jubilee Place
New programme of entertainments - many free - ranging from opera to comedy nights with 180 events a year.
New Docklands “village” at Wood Wharf with 3000 homes

Loathing · October 20th, 2012, 01:28 PM

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat...?

derekhales · October 20th, 2012, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Loathing

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat...?

Yep that was my first reaction, more low rise dross.

TheMoses · October 20th, 2012, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by derekhales

Yep that was my first reaction, more low rise dross.

From the BD article about this last month (http://www.bdonline.co.uk/news/farre...042752.article):

"Farrells has been asked to improve integration with surrounding residential areas and design waterside parks and European-style streets. The amount of housing on the site will be increased although overall density will remain the same."

So I don't imagine it will all be lowrise. Not unless they are planning on making it very dense indeed at ground level, with little open space.

alonzo-ny · October 20th, 2012, 02:26 PM

Low rise. FFS what a stupid idea. Why? This is the one area you can properly go for it in terms of height.

danm · October 20th, 2012, 04:52 PM

Bit stupid really because Canary Wharf has plenty of restaurants and bars these days.

Will be extremely disappointed if the previous scheme is replaced with a low rise one. What a complete waste of a great opportunity.

DeFiBkIlLeR · October 20th, 2012, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by danm

Bit stupid really because Canary Wharf has plenty of restaurants and bars these days.

Will be extremely disappointed if the previous scheme is replaced with a low rise one. What a complete waste of a great opportunity.

There's no demand, or prospect of any demand for 200m towers with huge, open floor-plates, residential is where it's at for CW & WW for the next decade.

pakboy · October 20th, 2012, 05:49 PM

If there is no demand for office space in a financial hub like London, when places like NY, toronto, singapore, melbourne, tokyo, HK and others and scattered with high-risers, than thats a shame.

October 20th, 2012, 12:43 PM	#953
woodgnome CEO, Dingly Dell Corp. Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: London Posts: 694 Likes (Received): 109	Canary Wharf banking on bright future with £2bn plan for Shoreditch-style shops -- Link to London Evening Standard article -- Canary Wharf plans to shake off its image as a windswept financial ghetto by building a £2 billion “urban village” next to its trademark skyscrapers. The owners of the Docklands banking district want to make Canary Wharf - once notorious for its absence of shops and restaurants - into a vibrant East End “creative quarter.” The first element involves turning the entire 39th floor of the highest skyscraper, One Canada Square, into a “nursery” for growing technology firms to bring “a touch of Shoreditch” into E14. There will also be a four storey shopping centre - due to open in 2015 - above the new Crossrail terminal at Canary Wharf. But the biggest element of the overhaul is the masterplan for the currently unused 17 acre Wood Wharf site. It is still being drawn up in consultation with local residents by urban planner Sir Terry Farrell ahead of a planning application next Spring. Sir Terry’s new “low rise” vision replaces an earlier plan for more huge towers from rival architect Lord Rogers. In the new scheme there will be around 3000 homes. John Garwood, Canary Wharf Group’s company secretary, said: ”People now want to live and work in a close community in the same area, they don’t want to commute in any more.” Wood Wharf will be two thirds residential and one third commercial, breathing life into an area dominated by bank offices. It will also make far more use of the surrounding water than the original Canary Wharf. The first phase of the conversion of Canary Wharf from “City satellite” to “the new Shoreditch” begins in January when “Level 39” opens to technology entrepreneurs. Eric Van Der Kleij, special adviser to property company Canary Wharf Group, says the project will be “Europe’s biggest financial services technology space.” From launch in the New Year it will provide a whole range of subsidised facilities, from office space and a boardroom to so called “sandboxes” where new software codes can be tested securely. The suspended ceilings from the former KPMG office space are being ripped out to give it are more edgy industrial East End feel. Mr Van Der Kleij said: “We would hope the successful start-ups of Shoreditch would see this as place to grow up. We will start initially with financial services but the next phase will be retail services.” Around 100,000 people work in Canary Wharf during the week - a figure that is expected to double by 2025 - and between 50,000 and 60,000 visit at the weekend. There were just six shops when the first offices opened in the new Docklands financial district in 1991. Now there are 200 with 68 bars, cafes and restaurants and Europe’s largest health club. The Canary Wharf Group is planning to develop the Wood Wharf scheme over the next 10 years with the first phase commencing in 2014 and completing in time for Crossrail trains running through Canary Wharf from 2018. Sir George Iacobescu, chairman of Canary Wharf Group, said: ”The development strategy will focus on establishing Wood Wharf as a new creative district for London with a siginificant residential element drawing on the strengths of Canary Wharf’s amenities, employment and transport infrastructure.” The Key Changes: 39th floor of One Canada Square skyscraper turned into 29,000 sq ft subsidised “incubator” for tech companies Huge transport improvements with Crossrail arriving in 2018 New four storey shopping mall above Crossrail with Lord Foster designed park on roof opening 2015. Extension of existing shopping area at Jubilee Place New programme of entertainments - many free - ranging from opera to comedy nights with 180 events a year. New Docklands “village” at Wood Wharf with 3000 homes __________________ London is not a city. It is more like a country, and living in it is like living in Holland or Belgium. Its completeness makes it deceptive - there are sidewalks from one frontier to the other - and its hugeness makes it possible for everyone to invent his own city. My London is not your London, though everyone's Washington, DC is pretty much the same. The London Embassy - Paul Theroux

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May 31st, 2012, 10:52 AM	#941
jack_jones Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 242 Likes (Received): 7	CWG are also bidding to develop the royals business park in the royal docks further east. Designs will be released later this year.

June 1st, 2012, 05:10 PM	#944
annamaria4711 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,032 Likes (Received): 2	somewhere around the M11 link road...near Leyton where the new covent garden market is based.... the last time I heard ...read said link.... http://www.publications.parliament.u...01/3063006.htm but since the letter (attached link) nothing has been done, however now that the porters roles is open to market I think its only time before the rest of the market moves closer to more accessible motorways etc...as a lot of the fish comes from Norfolk etc...

September 14th, 2012, 11:59 AM	#945
gegloma01 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bruxelles Posts: 1,157 Likes (Received): 102	"Architect Terry Farrell & Partners have been appointed to develop masterplan for the site, where a full development review is taking place in light of changing market conditions. It is anticipated that the site will comprise around 3,000 residential units complementing 2.15m sq ft of commercial office space and a further 240,000 sq ft of retail, cultural and community space. " In May 2009, the current master plan received planning consent for 4.6m sq ft net. This consent, which was renewed in 2012 and represents an area almost one third of the size of the Estate, currently comprises approximately 1.25m sq ft of residential, 3.1m sq ft of offices, 0.2m sq ft of retail and a 0.2m sq ft hotel. Having secured full control of the scheme the best uses for the site are being reviewed, potentially altering the mix of uses in favour of residential, reducing the size of individual office buildings to appeal to new target sectors and to integrate and connect this new district to the existing Estate. http://www.digitallook.com/news/rns/...ly_Report_html

September 15th, 2012, 12:23 AM	#946
delores Registered User Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 4,564 Likes (Received): 25	makes alot of sense, I'm surprised wood wharf has been so slow, the potential there is enormous.

September 16th, 2012, 05:32 PM	#948
annamaria4711 Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 1,032 Likes (Received): 2	that"s what I thought too

September 16th, 2012, 05:47 PM	#949
Black Cat Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,495 Likes (Received): 14	Sounds like a big rethink, and probably a smart one financially - focussing on residential blocks rather than offices.

September 16th, 2012, 06:23 PM	#950
Zin5ki Unimposing goose Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: London Posts: 77 Likes (Received): 12	What we must now be wary of is jagged, jutting balconies that offset any potential sleekness.

October 20th, 2012, 01:28 PM	#954
Loathing Registered User Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 469 Likes (Received): 54	Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat...?

October 20th, 2012, 04:52 PM	#958
danm Registered User Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: London Posts: 643 Likes (Received): 34	Bit stupid really because Canary Wharf has plenty of restaurants and bars these days. Will be extremely disappointed if the previous scheme is replaced with a low rise one. What a complete waste of a great opportunity.