ATHENS - Votánikos Stadio (46,000)

[MS20]

Clubs like Panathinaikos make A LOT of sense. Sure, they don't have the prestige of clubs that play in big leagues with a lot of big sized teams. But they have a lot of advantages.

They play in a league with virtually 1 other contenders in Olympiacos (ok, AEK, Aris, PAOK can contend, but they can't sustain it). They wouldn't have to justify spending so much money on players to win titles. They can buy up top players in the Greece, and then add by buying internationals offering them Champions League football. But these players wouldn't have to be spectacular or cost a lot of money, it could be done on a pretty decent budget and it should still be enough to take titles.

They have a direct route to Champions League football without having to fork out like teams in big leagues. They have a massive fanbase in one of Europe's largest cities.

If and when a European league comes to fruition, they would be primed as an established European club. I mean, they already a strong brand and club, but all big clubs in smaller countries/leagues should be looking to emulate Shakthar Donestk, who are slowly becoming established among elite clubs.

If any of this is true, it has a lot of logic behind it.

[PAO13]

^You're absolutely right MA20.

The Saudi sultan is expected to arrive Athens the upcoming week, but I still think its to good to be true. But lets keep our fingers crossed.

[PAO13]

The plan of Sultan al-Saud of the Votaniko

According to a sports newspaper, the Prince's main aim is to create stadium for Panathinaikos, while considering the purchase of land held by Mr. Vovos.



Addressing the issue of stadium appears to be a priority for the Sultan Al-Saud, according to a sports newspaper.

Specifically, the "Green" says that once finalized deal with the side of John Vardinoyiannis, Prince will examine what needs to be done to advance the case of the Votaniko. In fact, one distinct possibility considering the Sultan Al-Saud is the purchase of the land owned by the part of Mr Vovos.

The Prince, always according to the article, estimates that an amount of about 15 million will pave the way for...bulldozers! The fact that the case has progressed significantly over other solutions because there is even a building permit, made ​​the necessary studies, there are drawings and models, and moreover there is the possibility of increasing the stadium capacity by 50,000, leaves unmoved the Saudi.

What will happen eventually we will see if and when completed the deal between the side of Sultan Al-Saud and John Vardinoyiannis.

[bicho84]

Originally Posted by MS20

Clubs like Panathinaikos make A LOT of sense. Sure, they don't have the prestige of clubs that play in big leagues with a lot of big sized teams. But they have a lot of advantages.

They play in a league with virtually 1 other contenders in Olympiacos (ok, AEK, Aris, PAOK can contend, but they can't sustain it). They wouldn't have to justify spending so much money on players to win titles. They can buy up top players in the Greece, and then add by buying internationals offering them Champions League football. But these players wouldn't have to be spectacular or cost a lot of money, it could be done on a pretty decent budget and it should still be enough to take titles.

They have a direct route to Champions League football without having to fork out like teams in big leagues. They have a massive fanbase in one of Europe's largest cities.

If and when a European league comes to fruition, they would be primed as an established European club. I mean, they already a strong brand and club, but all big clubs in smaller countries/leagues should be looking to emulate Shakthar Donestk, who are slowly becoming established among elite clubs.

If any of this is true, it has a lot of logic behind it.

but ukraine is a big country, popilation is between 45-48 miliiom people. also ukrainian championship is largen than greek is.

[MS20]

Originally Posted by bicho84

but ukraine is a big country, popilation is between 45-48 miliiom people. also ukrainian championship is largen than greek is.

The Shakhtar example was just to illustrate how a club can slowly become established in Europe through a new stadium and investment. I wasn't comparing Ukraine to Greece. Although potentially, Shakhtar would not be much different from Pana in many ways.

[PAO13]

Now even a third party is interested in Panathinaikos, namely the American-Israeli investment fund Axiom Capital. Representatives of the firm has already had a meetin with lawyers of Vardinogiannis in Athens.

The two wants of Axiom

In good spirit became the rendezvous. Stadium and economic control requirements is a recipe for Axiom Capital.

Within a very good atmosphere held the appointment of lawyers Vardinoyannis side with representatives of Axiom Capital and prospective investors.

As expected and we had announced, the two 'wants' of the company and the investor from Panathinaikos is economic and legal review, a basic condition to proceed with the deal, to ... do the same with the stadium in Votanikos asking the complete project. The Americans want guarantees from the state that the project can proceed immediately.


The task for the company is to build its own stadium, but to realize its plan already exists for the Botanical. The Americans obtain it and only if the court will proceed to a proposal by putting original 50 million, with the side Vardinoyannis request guarantees for that amount.

The two sides renewed their appointment for the next few days to meet the demands from both sides.

Open the door to the stadium of Panathinaikos

Executives in YPEKA clarify that all depends on the municipality of Athens and Panathinaikos to build the stadium at the Votanikos and indicate that the work can begin immediately.



All open is the way to build the stadium of Panathinaikos, in Athens for the next owner of the FC. As noted in www.prasinanea.gr officials of the Ministry of Environment, Energy and Climate Change, all necessary legal procedures for Double Regeneration completed and remaining procedural issues from the side of the Municipality of Athens for the start of the project.

"The YPEKA tabled in Parliament the necessary legislation for Double Regeneration and voted" stressed initially and adds: "The amendment was tabled in harmony with the decision of the Council of State and not open to appeal. Legally, the matter is final. The Stadium and Double Regeneration consistent with the law and nobody can challenge them. "

Then, they claimed that more work has gone into the hands of the City of Athens: "We did what we had and now goes to the municipality. They must undertake the necessary studies and to conclude new contracts with the FC and the amateur department." As for the time required for the procedure, said: "It is not time-consuming, works can begin even in January" ...

Essentially, what flows through the YPEKA is that the Municipality of Athens is obliged to proceed in preparing the Master Plan for Redevelopment to follow after the issuance of Presidential Decree. In parallel, it must revise its contracts with the FC and the amateur department, to adapt to the new situation created by the amendment which was tabled recently.

The City is 'running'

The City of Athens for his part, keeps silent about the whole issue. Clearly unwilling to pay the clause of 4 million euros to Panathinaikos (at first, because the clover will claim a higher compensation pay) and therefore it is necessary to prepare the Master Plan and enter into negotiations with FC and the Amateur Panathinaikos contracts.

It's up to the next owner of Panathinaikos, whether it be the Prince Sultan Al Saud, either israilinoamerikaniko fund, press statements and begin immediate works. Risk of interruption no longer exists and the only obligation of the new major shareholder is to present the plan flow. The building permit is valid until the end of 2013 and possible home of clover to get ... flesh and bones.

source: prasinanea.gr

[PAO13]

Το πλάνο του Δήμου Αθηναίων για τον Βοτανικό

Σύμφωνα με πληροφορίες του www.prasinanea.gr, o Δήμος Αθηναίων έχει καταλήξει στο σχέδιο χρηματοδότησης για τη Διπλή Ανάπλαση και σύντομα θα το θέσει υπόψη της ΠΑΕ και του Ερασιτέχνη Παναθηναϊκού.



Εάν υπάρχει ένας φορέας ο οποίος επιθυμεί όσο κανένας άλλος την ολοκλήρωση της Διπλής Ανάπλασης, αυτός είναι ο Δήμος Αθηναίων...

Διότι σε περίπτωση οριστικής ματαίωσης του έργου, θα κληθεί να καταβάλει υψηλές αποζημιώσεις στην ΠΑΕ Παναθηναϊκός και ενδεχομένως, στην Τεχνική Εταιρία του Μπάμπη Βωβού, ενώ έχει να ξεχρεώσει ποσά από απαλλοτριώσεις που έγιναν στην περιοχή του Ελαιώνα.

Προκειμένου να το αποφύγει και με διαμορφωμένη την αδυναμία της ΠΑΕ Παναθηναϊκός να ανεγείρει η ίδια το γήπεδο στο Βοτανικό, όπως ήταν αρχικά προγραμματισμένο, επεξεργάζεται ένα πλάνο χρηματοδότησης, στηριγμένο σε επιδοτήσεις του ΕΣΠΑ και την ιδιωτική πρωτοβουλία.

Όπως είναι σε θέση να γνωρίζει το www.prasinanea.gr, το πλάνο έχει διαμορφωθεί στο μεγαλύτερο βαθμό του και απομένουν οι λεπτομέρειες, που πρέπει να καθοριστούν σε συνεργασία με την ΠΑΕ και τον Ερασιτέχνη Παναθηναϊκό.

Τα εξωτερικά έργα

Η Διπλή Ανάπλαση δεν περιλαμβάνει μόνο την κατασκευή του γηπέδου ποδοσφαίρου και των εγκαταστάσεων του Ερασιτέχνη στο Βοτανικό. Προβλέπει επίσης, μία σειρά έργων που θα αλλάξουν προς το καλύτερο την εικόνα του Ελαιώνα και των Αμπελοκήπων.

Φυσικά, για να υλοποιηθούν, επιβάλλεται να βρεθούν χρήματα, τα οποία παλαιότερα θα καταβάλλονταν από το ΥΠΕΧΩΔΕ. Στην Ελλάδα της "Τρόικας" αυτό δεν πρόκειται να συμβεί και αναγκαστικά, ήταν απαραίτητο να αναζητηθούν εναλλακτικοί πόροι.

Σύμφωνα με τις πληροφορίες του www.prasinanea.gr, ο Δήμος έχει καταλήξει σε καταρχήν συμφωνία με το ΥΠΕΚΑ για να αποδεσμευτούν κεφάλαια από το πρόγραμμα JESSICA της Ευρωπαϊκής Επενδυτικής Τράπεζας. Με τα χρήματα που θα διατεθούν, θα προχωρήσουν οι παρεμβάσεις στον αστικό ιστό της Αθήνας.

Τα χρήματα του προγράμματος JESSICA διαχειρίζεται για το νομό Αττικής η Εθνική Τράπεζα, η οποία έχει εμπλοκή στη Διπλή Ανάπλαση και επομένως, υπάρχει δίαυλος συνεννόησης.

Το γήπεδο

Ο Παναθηναϊκός είχε αναλάβει να κατασκευάσει το γήπεδο στο Βοτανικό, αλλά με την τωρινή οικονομική κατάσταση του αυτό αποκλείεται. Επομένως, ο Δήμος καλείται είτε να το οικοδομήσει ο ίδιος, είτε να το αναθέσει σε ιδιώτη, ο οποίος θα καρπωθεί και την εκμετάλλευση του.

Πηγές από τη Δημαρχία υποστηρίζουν ότι ήδη υπάρχει ενδιαφερόμενος και ότι έχει κάνει προκαταρκτικές επαφές για να αναλάβει την κατασκευή του γηπέδου. Ωστόσο, το όνομα του δεν πρόκειται να διαρρεύσει πριν από την ολοκλήρωση της συμφωνίας.

Διότι για να προχωρήσει, επιβάλλεται να συναινέσει και η ΠΑΕ, η οποία θα είναι η ενοικιαστής και χρήστης του γηπέδου. Εξυπακούεται πως δεν υπάρχει περίπτωση να ανεγερθεί και να είναι αμφίβολο εάν ο Παναθηναϊκός θα το χρησιμοποιήσει ως έδρα.

Προτού λοιπόν αρχίσουν οι εργασίες, ο Παναθηναϊκός, ο Δήμος και ο ιδιώτης θα διαπραγματευτούν για το ετήσιο ενοίκιο (εκτιμάται στα 3-4 εκατομμύρια ευρώ) και τους ακριβείς όρους, με σκοπό να φτάσουν σε μία συμφέρουσα συμφωνία για όλους.

Η συνεννόηση Αλαφούζου - Καμίνη

Η προσωπική σχέση που διατηρεί με τον Γιώργο Καμίνη ο Γιάννης Αλαφούζος, έχει επιτρέψει να προχωρήσει σημαντικά ο σχεδιασμός. Οι δύο άνδρες έχουν συχνή επικοινωνία και συνεργάζονται για να επιλύσουν οποιοδήποτε πρόβλημα παρουσιάζεται.

Ο Καμίνης έχει διαβεβαιώσει τον Αλαφούζο ότι η Διπλή Ανάπλαση μπορεί να προχωρήσει και για αυτό ο δεύτερος έχει αποφασίσει να εξαντλήσει κάθε περιθώριο.

[www.sercan.de]

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english please

[ayanamikun]

http://www.onsports.gr/Podosfairo/Su...-ston-Botaniko

Τη λύση να επανασχεδιαστεί η ανέγερση γηπέδου στον Βοτανικό για χαμηλότερη κατηγορία της UEFA εξετάζουν οι άνθρωποι του Παναθηναϊκού, από τη στιγμή που τα ταμεία της ΠΑΕ είναι άδεια............Το κόστος έτσι κι αλλιώς θα είναι μειωμένο σε σχέση µε το αρχικό (ήταν περίπου 100 εκατ. ευρώ) λόγω της κρίσης, αν και υπάρχει η σκέψη να επανασχεδιαστεί το γήπεδο για χαμηλότερη κατηγορία UEFA (είχε σχεδιαστεί για κατηγορία elit και τώρα µπορεί να πέσει στην τρίτη) ώστε να κοστίσει ακόμη λιγότερο (γύρω στα 50-55 εκατ. ευρώ).

Αυτό βέβαια εξυπακούεται ότι θα αποφέρει και λιγότερα έσοδα απ' ό,τι αρχικά είχε προϋπολογιστεί για τη µμεγαλύτερη κατηγορία, αλλά και πάλι θα είναι ικανά να αφήνουν σημαντικό κέρδος για την «πράσινη» ΠΑΕ, αφού θα µειωθεί κατά πολύ και το ετήσιο ενοικιοστάσιο. Όπως κι αν έχει, µέσω των συζητήσεων θα φανεί αν οι διοικούντες την ΠΑΕ θα επιλέξουν τελικά να προχωρήσουν το σχέδιο αυτό ή όχι. Εναλλακτικές λύσεις δεν υπάρχουν, προς το παρόν...

Σύμφωνα µε όλες τις ενδείξεις, αυτό που έχει ξεκαθαρίσει, από τη στιγμή μάλιστα που υπάρχει απόφαση να προχωρήσουν σε κοινή γραμμή δήμος, ΠΑΕ και Ερασιτέχνης, είναι ότι δεν θα υπάρχει ο «µπαµπούλας» της κατεδάφισης της Λεωφόρου.

Αυτό δηλαδή που κάποιοι εξακολουθούν να το χρησιμοποιούν ως επιχείρημα... αποχής.

*Ο Γιάννης Αλαφούζος έχει καταλάβει ότι για να ανέβει επίπεδο ο Παναθηναϊκός πρέπει να αποκτήσει το δικό του γήπεδο. Γι' αυτό και ασχολήθηκε µε το πρότζεκτ του Βοτανικού, παρότι είχε άλλα «καυτά» θέµατα που έπρεπε να κλείσει το συντομότερο δυνατό», αναφέρεται χαρακτηριστικά στο δημοσίευμα.

The design we have seen so far is scrapped. New budget is 55 million for a new design. The above renders are no longer valid.

[PAO13]

^Nothing in that article indicates that the design has been scrappded. Not to mention that the whole article is based on rumors, and are by no means final nor official.

[PAO13]

Originally Posted by www.sercan.de

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english please

Basically it stands that the municipality of Athens is the most eager of all the parties to finish this project, because they will have to pay high compensation to Panathinaikos if gets cancelled. Possibly also to the building firm Babis Vovos. But due to the financial crisis Panathinaikos cannot afford to build the stadium anymore, thus there are thoughts from the municipality to build the stadium with themselves as the owners, and then rent it to PAO, against a estimated annual fee of 3-4 million euros.

[PAO13]

Meeting at Wednesday between Yannis Alafouzos and Aris Vovos.

The two men discussed all the details of the presidential decree, with the chief of "Babis Vovos - International Construction" putting on the table a new proposal. Mr. Vovos, according to a report in "Sport Day" talked with Yannis Alafouzos about a proposal that has the company "AKTORAS" building the football stadium in Athens, in two phases.

Specifically, the first to build a 25,000 stadium which needs about 30 million euros, while the second expansion to rise the capacity to between 35 to 45,000 seats. The total cost of the stadium in this version stands at 50-55 million.

Of course this amount is much lower than the 100 million which provided the previous study done 4 years ago, but Mr. Alafouzos, always according to this publication, considers that this is a high amount compared with "Georgios Karaiskakis".

Beyond that, the powerfull man of Panathinaikos FC in discussion with Mr. Vovos was clear in terms of the presidential decree: "We do not want to end up like the AEK. Taking down our old stadium without ensuring us relocation to a stadium worthy of Panathinaikos. Forget about it. "

Vovos in his turn also sought to know the intentions of the people of FC on whether they want to use only this year or also in the future the stadium of Leoforos and Panagiotidis said: "We have made studies, it is a viable solution, but we also want to ensure the next day for the club. A functional stadium. "


Characteristic are the statements made by Vovos to the newspaper: "I want to walk hand in hand with Panathinaikos. We came together to find a mutually acceptable solution. So we don't lose the mall and nor Panathinaikos his rights. The PD is a one way street and we want Panathinaikos to support it. "

Translation in courtesy of Google translate.

[PAO13]

Originally Posted by KONSTANTINOUPOLIS

Panathinaikos will be heading back to Leoforos by the end of this month.

[GreenHornet553]

Originally Posted by PAO13

Panathinaikos will be heading back to Leoforos by the end of this month.

I heard they would need to make big renovations to Leoforos since the stadium is a bit outdated though. What kind of renovations would need to be made so it is suitable for Panathinaikos to play in Leoforos?

[PAO13]

^Thats not correct my friend. Since the stadium is promised away to the municipality of Athens, in order to get the plot in Votnaikos, Panathinaikos is not even allowed to make major renovations. We're only talking about make it secure for the fans, freshen up the locker rooms etc. The pitch has already been replaced, while the seats probably will be replaced with smaller ones during the summer break, in order to increase the capacity to 20.000.

[GreenHornet553]

Originally Posted by PAO13

^Thats not correct my friend. Since the stadium is promised away to the municipality of Athens, in order to get the plot in Votnaikos, Panathinaikos is not even allowed to make major renovations. We're only talking about make it secure for the fans, freshen up the locker rooms etc. The pitch has already been replaced, while the seats probably will be replaced with smaller ones during the summer break, in order to increase the capacity to 20.000.

Well that stinks.

[PAO13]

Yeah, but at least we will play there for free.

[GreenHornet553]

Originally Posted by PAO13

Yeah, but at least we will play there for free.

Mmmmmmm.........................Free stuff!

[PAO13]

[GreenHornet553]

Any news from Athens on Panathinaikos and their stadium conundrum?