MRT Circle Line - Connecting all lines - Page 4

JediAlf · August 9th, 2006, 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by mrtfreak

Yep, the entire first gen fleet will be refurbished and receive new SMRT livery (similar to 3rd gen). But I also remember reading that the trains were built to operate for 30 years. 1987 + 30 years = 2017. Will they be retired then?

Trains generally can last much longer unlike buses. Oldest trains can still run in other countries even they are more than 50 years old.

New wheels and power supply and new flooring can extend the lifespan of the trains.

But once they run out of spares to maintain good condition - this is when they will be truly retired from the services.

heirloom · August 9th, 2006, 01:25 PM

@mrtfreak

the 3rd gen trains look ok to me. although i'm not a fan of lurid interiors, i still find the 3rd gen interiors better coordinated than the nel interiors.

what are the interiors of the ccl trains like?

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Originally Posted by jedialf

Trains generally can last much longer unlike buses. Oldest trains can still run in other countries even they are more than 50 years old.

i understand buses are supposed to last 17 years. but i hope for an economic situation where there are sufficient players in the public transport market to warrant competition for customers not just by route / frequency / service courtesy, but by the freshness of the vehicles themselves too.

like, no one really drives their brand new car for 10 years - most people scrap their cars after 4 years or so right?

mrtfreak · August 9th, 2006, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by JediAlf

Trains generally can last much longer unlike buses. Oldest trains can still run in other countries even they are more than 50 years old.

New wheels and power supply and new flooring can extend the lifespan of the trains.

But once they run out of spares to maintain good condition - this is when they will be truly retired from the services.

That's true. But I suppose the cost of operating a deprciating vehicle would increase as well would it not? Anyhow, let's look at what the upgrades are like eh?

mrtfreak · August 9th, 2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by heirloom

what are the interiors of the ccl trains like?

Pretty much like the current SMRT trains. The finishings are all in white. Imagine a NEL car, but the advertising panel all in white and the intercom box in grey (yuck). Driving car seats are maroon in colour while intermediate cars have deep blue. That's about all I saw on the channel 5 report on the CCL trains' arrival.

heirloom · August 10th, 2006, 12:37 AM

oh... uh... sounds pretty nice to me. i'd prefer if everything was pure white though. seats, floors, ceiling, walls. and the metal poles and hand straps.

spikeshamz · September 24th, 2006, 05:58 AM

I wonder if you guys have got this info about the trains for the NEL. It is actually called METROPOLIS cars. Based from the website, it says that it is to be of service as of 2007.
Main characteristics
- number of vehicles: 40 x 3-car trainsets
- carbody: aluminium
- capacity : 960 (148 seats) - 6 passengers/m2
- length: 70 m
- width: 3.21 m
- maximum design speed: 100 kph
- power supply: 750 V with 3rd rail

Circle Line
These 120 METROPOLIS cars will run on the Circle Line in Singapore. METROPOLIS for Singapore is the world's largest fully automatic metro.
ain features: Automatic Train Supervision, CBTC Automatic Train Control, Conventional Products, Communication system and Computer-based Interlocking

Delivery date: from 2006 to 2008

The total route length will be 32 km in tunnel comprising 29 stations with one depot. The complete automation of train operations is made possible by its signaling system, which constantly monitors and safely controls the movements and locations of the trains. ALSTOM provided URBALIS 300 CBTC, a fully proven Driverless Signaling system that comprises: the Automatic Trains Supervision system ICONIS, the Automatic Train Control MASTRIA, some conventional products SMARTWAY and the Interlocking SMARTLOCK.
Moreover ALSTOM supply on-board Passenger Information system and ensures the transmission of on-board CCTV through its bi directional Train to Track transmission system (IAGO).

Comment
Singapore is the first fully automatic heavy metro system in the world. It includes many innovative technologies and systems with the supply of the URBALIS 300, most ambitious, modern, innovative solution as adopted by Singapore for the Northeast and Circle lines.

brianlee · October 20th, 2006, 03:42 PM

They expect 500 000 people to use the system daily but i think this is far from being realised. Look at NEL, 3 years on and the system has just broke even (sometime in August when the average ridership per day was just 250 700+.

But the new stations on the line seem to be built to handle a much larger capacity then those on the NEL. Especially Bishan, Tai Seng, Buona Vista, and HarbourFront.

brianlee · October 20th, 2006, 03:48 PM

More info on the Circle Line Trains
Floor Height- 1110mm
Door Width- 1400mm
Accelaration- 1.1m/s square (or faster)
Braking- 1.4m/s square in emergency braking mode (or faster)
Stopping Accuracy- plus minus 300mm

heirloom · October 20th, 2006, 05:07 PM

a 30cm overshot sounds quite a lot!!!

brianlee · October 22nd, 2006, 01:37 PM

But if u think about it, the older MRT trains on the East west and NS Lines can overshoot the platform screen doors by up to half a metre. I've seen that happen and the train operators have to keep the doors open for a longer period of time as passenger movement in and out of the carriage is much slower...

heirloom · October 22nd, 2006, 02:59 PM

30cm is only 20cm away from half a metre... i've seen that happen too anyway. very irritating.

Pengui · November 13th, 2006, 01:35 PM

A pic of the open air area above Museum station:

Nov · November 13th, 2006, 02:26 PM

Can you walk up to it and take a picture through the glass (is that glass)?

Pengui · November 13th, 2006, 03:43 PM

It's not glass it's a water feature. There's a bridge going over (on the right of the pic) with a "no trespassing" sign I could have easily bypassed... But there were a few workers around so I didn't ;-)

RafflesCity · November 14th, 2006, 07:57 AM

beautiful...probably one of the most unique and beautiful station entrances in Singapore

JediAlf · November 15th, 2006, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RafflesCity

beautiful...probably one of the most unique and beautiful station entrances in Singapore

My deaf fellows, let bring our camera and snapping once Circle Line stations start to operate.

Nov · December 14th, 2006, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Pengui

It's not glass it's a water feature. There's a bridge going over (on the right of the pic) with a "no trespassing" sign I could have easily bypassed... But there were a few workers around so I didn't ;-)

Found this on the LTA site... does it look as if that "water feature" has a glass bottom?

redstone · December 14th, 2006, 12:08 PM

Can't wait. But how are they going to clean and maintain the glass water feature?

Andrew · December 15th, 2006, 08:24 PM

Oh my goodness! That station is going to be so awesome! Imagine the sunlight shimmering through the water to light up that amazing space! I wonder if it'll have interesting lighting on the water at night...

brianlee · December 17th, 2006, 06:41 AM

According to WOHA's website, they are the ones who have designed Stadium and Bras Basah Stations. Click here for their website. I'm really happy that Singapore firms are designing structures that will be used by thousands of Singaporeans everyday. It shows that Singapore architects are getting better and more competitive.

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August 10th, 2006, 12:37 AM	#65
heirloom Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 6,158 Likes (Received): 0	oh... uh... sounds pretty nice to me. i'd prefer if everything was pure white though. seats, floors, ceiling, walls. and the metal poles and hand straps.

September 24th, 2006, 05:58 AM	#66
spikeshamz Registered User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Singapore, Lyon Posts: 1,121 Likes (Received): 1	I wonder if you guys have got this info about the trains for the NEL. It is actually called METROPOLIS cars. Based from the website, it says that it is to be of service as of 2007. Main characteristics - number of vehicles: 40 x 3-car trainsets - carbody: aluminium - capacity : 960 (148 seats) - 6 passengers/m2 - length: 70 m - width: 3.21 m - maximum design speed: 100 kph - power supply: 750 V with 3rd rail Circle Line These 120 METROPOLIS cars will run on the Circle Line in Singapore. METROPOLIS for Singapore is the world's largest fully automatic metro. ain features: Automatic Train Supervision, CBTC Automatic Train Control, Conventional Products, Communication system and Computer-based Interlocking Delivery date: from 2006 to 2008 The total route length will be 32 km in tunnel comprising 29 stations with one depot. The complete automation of train operations is made possible by its signaling system, which constantly monitors and safely controls the movements and locations of the trains. ALSTOM provided URBALIS 300 CBTC, a fully proven Driverless Signaling system that comprises: the Automatic Trains Supervision system ICONIS, the Automatic Train Control MASTRIA, some conventional products SMARTWAY and the Interlocking SMARTLOCK. Moreover ALSTOM supply on-board Passenger Information system and ensures the transmission of on-board CCTV through its bi directional Train to Track transmission system (IAGO). Comment Singapore is the first fully automatic heavy metro system in the world. It includes many innovative technologies and systems with the supply of the URBALIS 300, most ambitious, modern, innovative solution as adopted by Singapore for the Northeast and Circle lines.

October 20th, 2006, 03:42 PM	#67
brianlee Out Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bukit Timah, Singapore Posts: 87 Likes (Received): 0	They expect 500 000 people to use the system daily but i think this is far from being realised. Look at NEL, 3 years on and the system has just broke even (sometime in August when the average ridership per day was just 250 700+. But the new stations on the line seem to be built to handle a much larger capacity then those on the NEL. Especially Bishan, Tai Seng, Buona Vista, and HarbourFront.

October 20th, 2006, 03:48 PM	#68
brianlee Out Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bukit Timah, Singapore Posts: 87 Likes (Received): 0	More info on the Circle Line Trains Floor Height- 1110mm Door Width- 1400mm Accelaration- 1.1m/s square (or faster) Braking- 1.4m/s square in emergency braking mode (or faster) Stopping Accuracy- plus minus 300mm

October 20th, 2006, 05:07 PM	#69
heirloom Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 6,158 Likes (Received): 0	a 30cm overshot sounds quite a lot!!!

October 22nd, 2006, 01:37 PM	#70
brianlee Out Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bukit Timah, Singapore Posts: 87 Likes (Received): 0	But if u think about it, the older MRT trains on the East west and NS Lines can overshoot the platform screen doors by up to half a metre. I've seen that happen and the train operators have to keep the doors open for a longer period of time as passenger movement in and out of the carriage is much slower...

October 22nd, 2006, 02:59 PM	#71
heirloom Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 6,158 Likes (Received): 0	30cm is only 20cm away from half a metre... i've seen that happen too anyway. very irritating.

November 13th, 2006, 01:35 PM	#72
Pengui Tallest on his iceberg Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Singapore / Paris Posts: 3,628 Likes (Received): 1	A pic of the open air area above Museum station:

November 13th, 2006, 02:26 PM	#73
Nov Registered User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 539 Likes (Received): 0	Can you walk up to it and take a picture through the glass (is that glass)?

November 13th, 2006, 03:43 PM	#74
Pengui Tallest on his iceberg Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Singapore / Paris Posts: 3,628 Likes (Received): 1	It's not glass it's a water feature. There's a bridge going over (on the right of the pic) with a "no trespassing" sign I could have easily bypassed... But there were a few workers around so I didn't ;-)

November 14th, 2006, 07:57 AM	#75
RafflesCity By Spirit Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: S I N G A P O R E Posts: 26,215 Likes (Received): 6	beautiful...probably one of the most unique and beautiful station entrances in Singapore

December 17th, 2006, 06:41 AM	#80
brianlee Out Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Bukit Timah, Singapore Posts: 87 Likes (Received): 0	According to WOHA's website, they are the ones who have designed Stadium and Bras Basah Stations. Click here for their website. I'm really happy that Singapore firms are designing structures that will be used by thousands of Singaporeans everyday. It shows that Singapore architects are getting better and more competitive.