UAE(DUBAI) - Israel Friendship

[Kappa21]

Originally Posted by Urban Legend

Not yet. I don't have russian passport yet. I just sumbited a request.

Wrong embassy. Wrong nationality

Embassy of Uzbekistan in Israel
Address: EP Tel-Aviv, Ramat Tsahala, Ha-Nevia Street, building 35 69350
Telephone : (972) 3-644-77-46
Internet: www.uzbekistan.org.il

Here you go.
near the falafel stand and Armon's garage...think your familiar with the area

Meanwhile, im working on my ROM-EU passport my ticket to the European landscape!

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Urban Legend

Not yet. I don't have russian passport yet. I just sumbited a request.

.......all my ancestors could not wait to lose the Russian passport. Those who were lucky enough to lose it never wanted to get it back.

[Kappa21]

Its a new Russia.......relax!

[matrix2020]

I know one guy who often travels to Dubai and he is British originally so he obviously uses his British passport
On the other topic, personally, I am not sure its such a good idea to get Russian citizenship.
For instance (depending on your age) it could get you into lots of trouble regarding the duty to serve in the military there.
Also Russian citizenship could be a problem if you wanted to travel to certain places.
I remember being told once that having Russian citizenship for an Israeli lowers his chances to get the visa to US.
When I was interviewed for the visa, I was asked something about my last visit in Russia and truthfully answered that I have never been there since my departure in 1992
Also I am not really sure what is the use of it.
If I want to travel to Russia (and I don't at this time) there are no visas required so unless I wanted to relocate (and it is highly unlikely) I don't see how Russian citizenship could be useful.
Not to mention the fact that the procedure costs money.

[Kappa21]

Do Israeli passport need a visa entering Russia?

[matrix2020]

No, Russia and Israel have no visa policy agreement.
Same with Ukraine.

[Kappa21]

i'll use my Israeli passport to get into CCCP...

you need visa for canadians....

[matrix2020]

Feel free

[rheintram]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

Meanwhile, im working on my ROM-EU passport my ticket to the European landscape!

Friend of mine did it, it was an enormous bureaucracy with the Romanians.

[Urban Legend]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

Wrong embassy. Wrong nationality

Embassy of Uzbekistan in Israel
Address: EP Tel-Aviv, Ramat Tsahala, Ha-Nevia Street, building 35 69350
Telephone : (972) 3-644-77-46
Internet: www.uzbekistan.org.il

I never been to Uzbekistan you stupid wanker!

Originally Posted by Kappa21

Here you go.
near the falafel stand and Armon's garage...think your familiar with the area

If it's in Ramat Gan so i guess it's in Bursa area. You should know this area better. Especially at nights... that's what you doing there but... not with bottles.

Originally Posted by Kappa21

Meanwhile, im working on my ROM-EU passport my ticket to the European landscape!

Just steal it. Like most of the ROMANIM

[Kappa21]

Originally Posted by Urban Legend

I never been to Uzbekistan you stupid wanker!

Wanker?!?!? Stupid?!??!
Watch your mouth..... you want me to get Bibi to start drawing red lines for you?


When it hits 90%...

this is what will happen to you:

If it's in Ramat Gan so i guess it's in Bursa area. You should know this area better. Especially at nights... that's what you doing there but... not with bottles.

I dont need to pay for a good time. I make the good time pay for me

Just steal it. Like most of the ROMANIM

You underestimate us Romanians too much....

[Kappa21]

Originally Posted by rheintram

Friend of mine did it, it was an enormous bureaucracy with the Romanians.

Why so hard?
Romanian is part of the EU?

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

Its a new Russia.......relax!

Yeah...sure. Some of us are very realistic about Russia.

Shamir once stated that "every Pole sucked anti-Semitism with his mother's milk." My grandma always stated that "every Russian sucked anti-Semitism with his mother's milk".

[Kappa21]

Originally Posted by HappyBrandon

Yeah...sure. Some of us are very realistic about Russia.

Shamir once stated that "every Pole sucked anti-Semitism with his mother's milk." My grandma always stated that "every Russian sucked anti-Semitism with his mother's milk".

I agree with you on the Polish thing.
Anti-semitism in Poland is a national pasttime..something they are sort of proud of. Russia is the same more or less...
But there is a lot of Russians who have close connections and deep love for Israel through friends and connections. Its small percentage of Russians...but i can mark around 35 million if not more pro-Jewish russians.... just have to look and see.......

[HappyBrandon]

Originally Posted by Kappa21

I agree with you on the Polish thing.
Anti-semitism in Poland is a national pasttime..something they are sort of proud of. Russia is the same more or less...
But there is a lot of Russians who have close connections and deep love for Israel through friends and connections. Its small percentage of Russians...but i can mark around 35 million if not more pro-Jewish russians.... just have to look and see.......

I love your positive thinking. You have a great attitude. It is precisely your type of attitude that moves Jews forward.

I agree with you. The Russians have become more intelligent when it comes to Jews/Israel. Since Jewish doctors, scientists, artists, etc. or all those who pushed their country forward have settled elsewhere let them miss their former Jews. What is really comical when a lot of them insist that their grandmas/grandpas were Jewish. How do you explain to them that 40 years ago 95% of Russian Jews did not intermarry and therefore, there is very, very little probability that some of their ancestors could be Jewish? Also, how do you explain to them that even if some Jew strayed which again is highly unlikely, Jews are not identified by blood?

It reminds me of Spain. They kicked out their Jews over 500 years ago and yet a lot of Spanyards claim their Jewish heritage. It is also one of the most anti-Israel country in Europe. From their highly warped perspective they think that if they come from Jewish background somehow it gives them more credence and ultimately the God's given right to be critical of Israel. When you explain to them that after 500 years of Catholicism they cannot possibly be Jewish and that most Spanish Jews married Jews in the past the probability of them having Jewish ancestors is slim to none. When they acquire that knowledge and their fantasies are crushed they become a lot less anti-Israel.

[rheintram]

There has always been conversion from Judaism to Christianity (and the other way around too), so it is not unlikely that some people indeed have ancestors from another religion. Though quite often it's just hearsay, exaggerated or not based on any real knowledge.

We have a local Jewish museum here and they were quite successful in creating a community of people from all over the world with ancestry within the Jewish community of the town. A few years ago there was a large meeting of descendants. Most were actually from overseas, especially the States. Interestingly less than half of the people that came were Jewish themselves, although all of them had Jewish ancestry. And even though it was a three-digit number, there was less than a handful that adhered to Orthodoxy (most of those that still considered themselves Jewish were Hiloni, reform and masorti).

Now the same might not be true for Russia (though it is for Spain!). But still it makes you wonder how many Jews there would be today if significantly less had strained away from the tribe over the centuries (on the other hand there was also influx, but probably much less).

Oh and HappyBrandon, your mistake in thinking is that a Jew of the past would have married a non-Jew and both would have stayed in their faiths. Of course that did not happen. But people converted either for marriage, for political or social reasons. So someone could have been born Jewish and died Christian. A quite prominent example was Princess consort Elsa of Liechtenstein (* 1875) who was the daughter of Wilhelm Knight of Gutmann, the President of Vienna's Jewish community (then one of the largest in the whole world!). At some point she converted to Catholicism and married the Prince of Liechtenstein.

Here in Tyrol we have a very crazy example: Robert Schüller. He was one of the earliest Nazi members in the province, rose up to be a personal assistant to Göring, number two in the hierarchy of the local Nazi party, member of the Nazi Blood Order. Three of his four grandparents were Jewish and ultimately he was murdered himself.

[Kappa21]

Originally Posted by HappyBrandon

I love your positive thinking. You have a great attitude. It is precisely your type of attitude that moves Jews forward.

You missed my Jewish courage a few weeks ago when I took on 9 ant-semetic catholic poles vs. 1 lone jew....
They accused Jews on everything. It seems the woes of a failed Polish state has the bearing of the Modern Jew in Poland. Population: 300.

I agree with you. The Russians have become more intelligent when it comes to Jews/Israel. Since Jewish doctors, scientists, artists, etc. or all those who pushed their country forward have settled elsewhere let them miss their former Jews. What is really comical when a lot of them insist that their grandmas/grandpas were Jewish. How do you explain to them that 40 years ago 95% of Russian Jews did not intermarry and therefore, there is very, very little probability that some of their ancestors could be Jewish? Also, how do you explain to them that even if some Jew strayed which again is highly unlikely, Jews are not identified by blood?

Well...I found out a little more about Russia and the Jews.

There is a certain class of people back in the old russia who were Christians but were known as Jews for one reason or another. They kept an Orthodox/Catholic tradition, but they had some Jewish upbringing respect for Judaism to some degree. They are clear out pro-Israeli/Jewish and they even observe the Shabbath or do Jewish related items. Really amazing. And there is maybe 10 million of them flourishing in Russia. Now-a-days, they try to keep some sort of Jewish presence in their community.

My mother comes from the former Soviet Union, so I am familiar with her friends. Many of them show a very pro-Israeli/Jewish view. One of her friends makes sure to wish her a happy holidays in every Jewish holiday. Before the Bolshevik revolution his father was a priest.
Dont forget the connections Israel has with Russia. Its just incredible. Millions of Russians come to Israel to visit close relatives/friends and many others come just to travel because of the pro-Russian atmosphere. Its like here in my country, Canada, where many orientals come since there is a China-Town in every major city in the country! Same with Israel and "Russky Towns"

But none the less, no one can forget anti-semites and Jewish bashers in the former USSR. I think Russia is kinda like the jews. They were taking on 15+ nations who were part of the USSR that formed allegiance to the nazis. They despise the nazis, but show different nationalism of their own which is similar. Ukraine is Nazis but Bashing them on Nationalistic fronts is good. When Georgia desecrates a Stalin/USSR statue, they see that as pro-nazi. So its easy to see that many Jews dont wanna align with say.... Ukraine or Georgia because they hear that. RTV news always shows bias
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It reminds me of Spain. They kicked out their Jews over 500 years ago and yet a lot of Spanyards claim their Jewish heritage. It is also one of the most anti-Israel country in Europe. From their highly warped perspective they think that if they come from Jewish background somehow it gives them more credence and ultimately the God's given right to be critical of Israel. When you explain to them that after 500 years of Catholicism they cannot possibly be Jewish and that most Spanish Jews married Jews in the past the probability of them having Jewish ancestors is slim to none. When they acquire that knowledge and their fantasies are crushed they become a lot less anti-Israel.

Spain hatred for the Jews is long and cold.
Its way different than that of Russia where you have many pro-Israel/Jewish support. Most support comes from Anti-Muslim sentiments that exist in pre-day. You gotta remember a few things. I can ramble on with Spanish Racism....but ..... It was in the the 1930s (before the spanish revolution) that Jews got equal rights in Spain.... thoe few hundred jews who were hiding or living as expats from other places......
And Spain only recognized Israel and their historic crimes in the mid 80s, along with another Racist Monster - Portugal......

[rheintram]

That's not surprising, since Spain was Fascist till then.

[HappyBrandon]

@Kappa21

The picture is not that intricate. The Russian history and culture are intertwined with hatred of Jews. The Russian prose, poems, proverbs are profoundly anti-Semitic. You will be hard-pressed to find a Russian writer or a poet who did not carry the anti-Semitic chromosomes in his/hers DNA. Eventually, that hatred manifested itself in pogroms and murders which forced the Jews to flee to the USA, the British protectorate of Palestine and Canada.

The pro-Jewish people you are talking about are probably the Sabbatarians. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subbotniks

Religiously speaking they represent a mixed bag. However, there were also those who moved to the British protectorate of Palestine and became some of the best defenders of the nascent Jewish state.

"came to Eretz Yisroel during the early 20th century and their descendants are indistinguishable from the regular Jewish population. For example, a minor tourist attraction in theGalilee named the Dubrovin Farm was founded by Yoav and Rachel Dubrovin when they emigrated from Russia in the early 1900s. Most notable of Israeli Subbotniks are former Chief of Staff and Cabinet Minister Rafael (Raful) Eitan, former Police District Commander Alec Ron, and Alexander Zaid who helped found the Hashomer self defense organization in 1909 to defend Jewish agricultural settlements from Arab attack. A large group of Subbotniks claiming to be Jews, arrived in Israel from the Caucasus in the early 90s as part of the mass immigration from the formerSoviet Union, and settled in Yitav, a settlement near Yericho. Over the past few years, many Subbotniks came to Israel from the Southern Russian villages of Ilyinka and Vysoky, and a large number of them live in Beit Shemesh near Yerushalayim."

http://gator1460-abraham-primary.hgs...botniks-jewish-

Regardless, considering the overwhelming Russian hatred of Jews their numbers were quite insignificant.

Comparison to Spain was based on the final outcome. The Iberian Jews are gone forever and so are the Russian Jews.

[FPI-Peng-AduDomba]

Shalom, religion war's is over. (god bless all Christian)
people war for their needs. And Qatar is the first country that made a great relationship with israel. trade relations with the State of Israel in 1996 (silent relation)
In 2010, Qatar twice offered to restore trade relations with Israel and allow the reinstatement of the Israeli mission in Doha. (this is not a big relationship, but islamic countries must declare their peace solution)