[Czech Republic] Public Transport Thread

[Bobek_Azbest]

Tak nakonec ještě trochu jinak: Cestující dopraví z Jesenice na Smíchov expresní autobusová linka. Za 25 minut.
Jsem zvědavý, co budou v Jesenici dělat, až zjistí, že Strakonická ráno taky stojí.

[historyworks]

The price of success?

http://www.ceskapozice.cz/en/news/po...nsport-deficit

[Bobek_Azbest]

More like price of throwing money out of the window carelessly.

[WladYslaW]

Party in the troleybus in Donetsk, Ukraine. Just watch how the passangers starting to dance

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=Yc8Bu87vIo0

[historyworks]

Are these changes to Prague public transport starting this weekend improvements, cutbacks or a bit of both? A bit hard to digest such a huge amount of changes! I also don't understand what the "metrobuses" are supposed to achieve.

[Bobek_Azbest]

Oh, don't get me started on this. There are of course improvements for some people, but most of the changes are for worse IMO. Initial motivation was to save money (approx. 460 mln. CZK), but some experts stated that these changes can't achieve such savings.

The presented aim is to:
1) sacrifice some connections to strengthen more popular ones and
2) make the network easier to understand.
That's probably a noble idea, however the way the changes were actually made hardly achieves the first goal and in some cases goes downright against the second. Here's an example of highly intelligible timetable of line 5 , resulting from it's two different final stops in one direction.

Some of the changes are probably purely for entertainment of their inventors. Either that, or they've gone completely mad. Swapping some of the lines just for the fun of it etc.

This thing annoys me the most: two bus lines were connecting my neighbourhood to the nearest metro station. Both had 15 minute headways during weekends, nicely fitting into combined 7,5 minute headway, corresponding with headways of the underground. That's history. One of the lines was replaced by a different one, with double headways. That's not very nice, of course, because it breaks down the connection from every underground train to my home. You'd expect the headways now to be 7,5 - 7,5 - 15 minutes, leaving only two underground trains per hour without the following bus connection. But some brilliant mind knows better and made up the timetables with such ingenuity, that the resulting headways are 1 - 14 - 15 minutes. Yes, it's that stupid, effectively halving the number of connections. (And making us wait 10 minutes for a bus after every other metro train. Actually I won't wait, I'll walk, that'll be faster.)

"Metrobus" is basically just a buzzword, as in most cases no real change is actually achieved. It's like painting the fence red instead of blue and then start calling it "superfence". Also, to promote the "concept", the number of these buses is now displayed in a rectangle (see the video below), making it much less legible from a distance.

Video of another excellent improvement follows. Line 217 was cancelled and partially replaced by lines 143 and 191 (effectively splitting it in half). This is how the replacement lines actually work during weekends, greatly improving travel comfort for the passengers and amusing people all over the internet:



(here's a link in case the embedding doesn't work)

[historyworks]

I can see that DPP has employed some transport planners from Sydney, Australia because everything you describe sounds the same - even down to the "Metrobuses" sprayed with red paint to make them super.

Perhaps this is some international trend.

I didn't even have to turn the sound up on that video to understand what was going on.

All this to pay for some private bigscreen TVs!

[Bobek_Azbest]

DPP is innocent in the case. The decisions on the network are done by ROPID organization for years now, DPP only fulfills their order.

If it were only for the TVs...

[historyworks]

Originally Posted by Bobek_Azbest

DPP is innocent in the case. The decisions on the network are done by ROPID organization for years now, DPP only fulfills their order.

If it were only for the TVs...

OK thanks, I understand.

Czech city public transport had better not lose its international reputation.

[1+1=3]

New metrobus line...

[otta]

Originally Posted by 1+1=3

New metrobus line...

act when i was stayin in Seattle round 94, that's exactly how it worked there, no kiddin!

[1+1=3]

Trochu OT protože to není z CZ, ale hezká reklama na MHD


a něco z CZ

[svt11]

Can you tell me how much will it cost 4-slice 15T tram for 1435mm?

[Bobek_Azbest]

That's probably only known to people in Škoda and Rīgas satiksme.

[Tramwayman]

SKoda 15T uses synchronus motors, does this mena that it uses more electricity and is more complicated and non cost effective in use?

While other modern trams use Asynchronus motors and use less energy?

Can someone explain how and why Skoda decided to use synchronus motors.

[Dorcadion]

It is not true, the really advanced electro-driven vehicles use synchronous motor with samarium/neodyme permanent magnets. Here are main advantages:
1) smaller volume, mass and moment of inertia
2) thanks to lower volume and direct-drive the motor can be designed without gearbox - it is an advantage especially in traction drives
3) large torque overload
4) higher efficiency

PS: TGV also uses synchronous motors

[1+1=3]

Třeba sem, bezbariérovost Praha vs. Vídeň, hádejte kdo vyhraje...

[singoone]

No, to je dost odstrašující. Bohužel v Rakousku myslí lidé jinak než tady, obzvláště ty na magistrátu.

[David Protest]

Originally Posted by singoone

No, to je dost odstrašující. Bohužel v Rakousku myslí lidé jinak než tady, obzvláště ty na magistrátu.

Tady nejde o lidi, jde tady o peníze. Nemá to nic společného s myšlením lidí. Dobře myslící obyčejní lidé ti nemohou postavit bezbariérová nástupiště. Ty musí postavit stavební firmy, které za to chtějí dostat zaplaceno... Logicky. Takhle bys mohl říct, že všude v Africe jsou zle myslící lidé, protože tam nemají nejen nástupiště, ale často ani silnice a nemocnice.

[singoone]

Bylo to myšleno tak, že v Rakousku mají indisponovaní více pochopeni než tady. Stačí se podívat na to video. Tady se hold hospodaří s penězi jinak. Jasný že to dělají stavební firmy, ale placené státem/městem. Afrika je úplně jinde, to snad nemá cenu sem zasahovat.