New Iran

[purearch72]

Under a new knew Iran would Persians support a KRG in Iran similar to Iraq? An example is scotland as they have their own government and control their own country however are in a united kingdom. Being an Iranian Kurd I see this as one of the solutions, also do you support teaching in Universities in Kurdish language.

[abii]

Originally Posted by purearch72

Under a new knew Iran would Persians support a KRG in Iran similar to Iraq? An example is scotland as they have their own government and control their own country however are in a united kingdom. Being an Iranian Kurd I see this as one of the solutions, also do you support teaching in Universities in Kurdish language.

I personally would love federalism in Iran, but it's a very foreign idea and concept in Iran. Democracy first has to take root and with time we'll see.

btw, a system like that of Iraq could potentially cause a ton of conflict between Azeris and Kurds. What exactly would belong to who when azeris and Kurds live in pretty similar territories? We just aren't that divided of ppl to be able to fight tooth and nail over land. People are also very mixed all over the place.

In the end this is just wishful thinking. Full on federalism, as I said, is a foreign concept in Iran. It's like trying to make China a federal country! 3000 yrs and nothing of the sort has been present in Iran. Let's achieve freedom and democracy and then go from there.

How does the US deal with the language issue? Never thought about the US and whether they have Spanish/French schools. In the end I think federalism will cause more problems than it will solve. We have to learn from different countries and see what we can implement in Iran in the future.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

no , federalism wont really work for iran imo

we need a strong centralized system

federalism is the root of lack of political unity, it takes away the clear cut orders of a civil society

in terms of allowing provinces to maybe adopt some policies of their own , sure, but something like the USA is just too much

and iran isnt like iraq , its a different thing. unity here is strong and the whole autonomous concept is unknown , or better said, not needed

having universities in kurdish is again different, its achievable without federalism , kurdish should be taught in schools, alongside azari, persian, english etc

but persian must still be the main stream in education as a lingua france
for example, for non persian speaking provinces, half of the courses can be in persian, half in the respective lanuage of the region

same with unis, having courses in diff languages, and the student can choose

removed arabic and qoran etc and u leave lots of space for native development

[footiran]

going off soroush's point, before federalism is adopted by Iran, all provinces need to pass the development threshold. In the case of federalism northern provinces along with Tehran, Khorasan (razavi) and isfahan would have an unfair advantage to other provinces like Sistan. However, in the case of democracy, Azeris, Kurds Baluchs and etc would push towards federalism to gain more cultural rights and protect their unique culture and way of life from the mainstream culture. well, again Iran needs to democratize first and maintain it by a proper constitution, and then evolve and improve the democracy (ultimately adopt a better form of government that works for the country).

[SoroushPersepolisi]

ofcourse

economy and other development is also a huge factor
u need to have less ups and downs among provinces
all must have a certain level of advancement

[Ahura_Mazda]

Iran was a free country even during Safavi era. Iranian have been always very friendly together, we all have many friends from other provinces. while in Europe (at that time aroudn Safavi Era.) Catholics and Protestants were in huge fight together and the idea of freedom of religion came from Iran to Europe.

But now, with Shiit government which does not respect any Iranian, we got such a problem that people think of Federalism and even separation.

I think the problem is current islamic government and not we Iranian people. Why we should divide to small countries to be ruled by foreigners (Even under one flag of Iran). If kurdish or Azari or Baloochi, Armenian, georgian, tajik people wanna rule the country, I would be more than happy if one them come and become President of Iran and make it a world power.

There is no cultural difference between all of Iranian tribes. In fact, one of my friends visited Baku last year and when he came back, he told me, Baku's people look like to me as Persian and not turks.

And about the society, society always choose its own language, in this case, every body want to speak Tehrooni Persian, and that's really great because Tehrooni persian turned to a classy dilect.

Be nazar man lahjeh Tehrooni mesl engelisi amrikaei talafoz kardan hash va bla va peen haye ton sedash taghiir mikoneh. On zaboon roostaei ke 100 saal pish sohbat mikardim digeh nist.

As a conclusion: This is the society which choose the language, clothing, cultural influences and we can not dictate it to the people of different Provinces.

[TEHR_IR]

Federalism is bad, take an example of belgium, how screwed up it is, Iran should unite its provinces, after all we are all Iranian, and azaris who consider themselves azari and not Iranian or Baluchis, or Kurds, well they can leave the country for me, if Iranians were united from the beginning we would have had much more progress and wealth, but we have the habit to always react against eachother.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by purearch72

Under a new knew Iran would Persians support a KRG in Iran similar to Iraq? An example is scotland as they have their own government and control their own country however are in a united kingdom. Being an Iranian Kurd I see this as one of the solutions, also do you support teaching in Universities in Kurdish language.

just a thing, persian speaking people dont care if someone speaks turkish or kurdish or anything

why do some people think that iranians are suspicious about eachother? nobody cares lol because we all look at eachother the same way, we dont see differences

its not like persians are clamping the country in a tight situation where everyone wants to escape from them lol

[sarbaze tabarestan]

i would love to see all kurdish and azeris people who consider themself Azeri or kurdish first be4 iranian beeing independent.No federalism,just get seperated.
Federalism means own state but with iranian money,4get it.
they should get theyr own land and leave us iranians alone.
more oil money 4 us.Whz should we pump all that oil monez into areas which dont considertehmselfs iranians.
Imagine iran with 40million people,A dream.and all that oil money just 4 us iranians.
yeah kurds shoul live from kurdsih money and azeris from azeri oil money,why should we give them our oil and gas money.
Kirkuk has much 4 Kurdistan and baku much 4 azerbaycan.
there u can speak ur languages in ur own countrys,but not behaving like parasits,with iranian gas,iranian elektricity and iranian water.
Iran 4 iranians--teh traitors must survive with theyr baku and Kerkuk brothers

[SoroushPersepolisi]

so u are considering 30 million iranians as separatists and traitors? sarbaz, i did not expect that from u

btw, this thread MIGHT turn into a flame war, i suggest mods to keep a close eye here

[FreddyB]

The thread had alot of issued comments and ST's comment was the step above the line.