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Old November 20th, 2012, 11:11 PM   #161
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Just to add, my post wasn't meant as a criticism of Golden. He's passionate about the area and certainly doesn't court popularity.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 10:07 AM   #162
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My points aren't my own facts but they are facts backed by professional evidence and thats all that matters whether Martin Sensible, Go Awayo etc. like it or not.

You can't have your own facts and ones own opinion carries no weight without factual evidence.

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Old November 21st, 2012, 05:28 PM   #163
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It never ceases to amaze me how on the Liverpool forum we can squeeze the maximum amount of negativity out of almost any news story.

The Port of Liverpool is about to embark on the biggest expansion since the construction of Seaforth Dock in the Seventies but somehow all this is to benefit Manchester.

Peel is a company based in Manchester, so consequently, it is assumed that all of its decisions must benefit Manchester. However, which city council objected more to the construction of the Trafford Centre? Which airport is thought to have suffered the most from Peel's acquisition and expansion of Liverpool John Lennon Airport and which councils are most critical of Peel's plans for Liverpool and Wirral Waters?

Peel is a company seeking to maximise its profits that is clear, what is unclear is that they work in a way that specifically benefits Manchester.

Awayo tries to align Peel's profit making objectives with the Manchester-centric regionalist public sector agenda. However, that is a strange argument for a Liverpool forummer. If the best way for a firm to maximise its profits is to concentrate its activities on Manchester then isn't that an admission that the Manchester-centric agenda is the correct one - the one that is going to lead to the greatest prosperity for the North West? The argument that we have always had on the Liverpool forum is that, free of statist intervention, Liverpool would prosper.

OK, then there is the ship canal. I actually work not far from the ship canal (not for Peel I might add) and every lunchtime, weather permitting, I take a walk down to the canal bank.

The Manchester Ship Canal is one of the wonders of nineteenth century engineering and England's only full size ship canal. To let such an asset go to waste is, in many ways criminal. Of course, we would probably like it more if we could call it the Liverpool Ship Canal or even the Runcorn Ship Canal but it is there and we need to use it.

As Tom has pointed out, the ship canal has limitations and, though I don't have his knowledge of shipping, I think I can make an educated guess on how the Peel barge service will work.

Containers will be unloaded from ships at Seaforth and then will need to be transported to the barges and loaded onto them there. Once sufficient barges have been loaded, they will be marshalled together and a towing vessel attached. They will then need to be pushed or pulled across the Mersey as far as Eastham where they will encounter the first lock of the Ship Canal. From then on, they will travel at around 6 - 7 mph along the length of the ship canal, negotiating up to another four locks until they arrive at Port Salford.

The Mersey Ferry Ship Canal cruises take about six hours to get to Manchester. I doubt very much that the barge traffic will be any faster and, given the difficulty of negotiating locks with several barges in tow, I can see them being much slower.

When they get to their destination, they will again be craned off the barges and, if they are going to go further will need to be craned onto road or rail vehicles.

Comparing that to the simplicity of craning a container onto a lorry at Liverpool, which could be in Manchester less than an hour later, it is quite clear that the Ship Canal option, though valuable, is not the be all and end all of everything.

In the case of rail, which has benefited at Liverpool by the reopening of the Olive Mount chord, it is difficult to see how the Ship Canal would make much difference. The rail transport of containers is most competitive over long distances (in excess of 100 miles) so there would not be much of a market to Manchester. However a container train heading for the West Midlands could be loaded at Liverpool and be in Birmingham before a Ship Canal barge would be at Warrington with some hours sailing ahead before it reached Port Salford.

So, yes, I do believe that there is an opportunity here to use the environmentally friendly Ship Canal for a certain part of the traffic from Liverpool but that is in addition to extremely competitive other means of transport. Nobody is going to force container owners to use barges and the Ship Canal.

What is most important though is to recognise that the more competitive transport arteries there are from Liverpool, the greater the business through the port will be. Manchester is part of Liverpool's hinterland and the easier that it is served the better. But it is quite clear that the city region with the best access to the port will be Liverpool.
Much of this is straw man stuff, Martin and not in actual response to my posts. And they were clear enough I think and so I refer you back to them.

You analysis of the mechanics and economics of getting cargo up the canal is interesting though. Thanks for that.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 08:48 PM   #164
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Much of this is straw man stuff, Martin and not in actual response to my posts. And they were clear enough I think and so I refer you back to them.

You analysis of the mechanics and economics of getting cargo up the canal is interesting though. Thanks for that.
Awayo, It is enough for me to be responding to the points that you have made rather then inventing fictional ones that I have to respond to as well!

To expand on what I was saying yesterday. A few years ago, the Olive Mount chord was re-opened and that allowed trains to travel directly to Manchester much more quickly than via the Ship Canal but there was no fuss about that.

What actually stops a private firm from developing a logistics centre at any place that it wants to? A private siding by the Liverpool and Manchester Railway could serve a major centre with direct links to the M6.

I remember years ago Tony Sebo talking about the significance of the Albert Dock warehouses in the development of the port. These great warehouses - and others built subsequently - represented a change in how goods were handled.

As I understood it, up to that time, goods were unloaded from ships direct to carts or dockside transit sheds from whence they were taken into town, stored in small warehouses, and distributed by local wholesalers.

The advent of the great warehouses allowed the bulk storage of goods at the quayside from whence they would be taken in bulk via railway to Manchester, Wigan, Birmingham or wherever needed them, bypassing the port's industry.

So maybe this way of operating has been around far longer than Peel.
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Old November 25th, 2012, 01:55 PM   #165
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Any updates from the Cruise terminal thread recently?
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Old November 13th, 2013, 09:02 PM   #166
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Albert Dock entrance improvements begin



Liverpool City Council is spending £920,000 on public realm improvements at Salthouse Dock to create a more attractive approach to Albert Dock.

The four-month scheme will open up the footpath area between Salthouse Quay and Gower Street.

The work is being carried out by contractor Amey in partnership with Gower Street Estates, owner of the Albert Dock.

The programme includes:

Removal of low acoustic wall that divides footway of the Strand and quayside of Salthouse Quay
Reconstruction of existing footway, replacing cobbles with smooth surface
Removal of sycamore trees and replacement with reduced number of more appropriate species, Salix Alba 'Liempde', more tolerant of salt laden wind and wet atmosphere

As part of the scheme, the council is also exploring the possibility of erecting kiosks in the area in the future, making it a more attractive location for tourists and workers and generating long-term revenue benefits for the city.

The public realm works will also support the future development of this area of the waterfront, including the new Exhibition Centre Liverpool, which is due to be completed in 2015.

It is anticipated that the works will be completed by 31 March 2014 - in advance of the International Festival for Business in June and July.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news....Nm4J28Y9.dpuf
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Old November 13th, 2013, 09:36 PM   #167
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All of these seem very sensible given that the wall makes a barrier and a very narrow footpath alongside the Strand. The cobbles are a disincentive to walk there - although they do represent a very pleasing surface visually. I suppose it is not too likely that the new trees will be established in time for the IFB but hopefully by 2015.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 10:51 AM   #168
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I like the idea of the kiosks too. I guess they've seen how Liverpool One has done it and thought it could work there too. It is a but vacant there at the moment.

One would think they're doing a footfall count etc to gauge how much trade units would get down there.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 12:46 PM   #169
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Another Albert Dock news story...

Albert Dock is set to see 10% rise in footfall


Historic site also on course to be fully occupied within a year, it is claimed

Liverpool's Albert Dock has seen a 7% increase in footfall so far this year – and is on track for a 10% annual rise by Christmas.

The prediction was made by Sue Grindrod, chairwoman of Gower Street Estates, which owns and manages the Albert Dock.

She also claimed it was likely the estate would be fully occupied within a year, leaving no empty units left.

In an interview with Post Business, Ms Grindrod said: “It is a positive time. There is definitely a lot happening. We are probably not far off being fully occupied in the next year.

“I certainly can’t see occupancy rates falling backwards. There are some really savvy operations here.

“When you get investment like we have seen in the dock, it levers more.

“Albert Dock has a lot to offer. It is a mixed estate that almost operates as its own attraction. Having it fully occupied is really important.”

Major events to have boosted the dock so far this year include the Liverpool Pirate Festival and International Music Festival.

There have also been substantial investments made by businesses, such as law firm Hampson Hughes, which relocated its 270-strong workforce to the dock.

The dock is also home to the Tate Liverpool, the Merseyside Maritime Museum, the Beatles Story exhibition and a number of shops, restaurants, bars and offices.

Ms Grindrod said: “I want tenants to see footfall, but we can only achieve that when we have fantastic offers.

“Our role is to preserve and look after the estate on behalf of all the leaseholders and stakeholders.

“We know how important the dock is to the waterfront economy and we have many unique selling points.

“We have a brand and we want to promote the dock and the waterfront as a unique destination.

“The combination of all the attractions here makes it a very compelling place for people to visit. We are working very hard to position ourselves on the international market.”

Ms Grindrod also revealed the Albert Dock was in talks with the Canal and River Trust to bring more boats to the dock, which are a major attraction for the public.

“We want to get the water more animated so we are working with the Canal and River Trust to achieve this,” she said.

“People love boats and they are willing to come down here to see them.

“We have a fantastic maritime history in Liverpool but we don’t shout enough about it.”

Ms Grindrod also said the dock’s owners had worked hard to mitigate the impact of the recession.

She said: “With the economic downturn, we have had to make sure the occupiers are getting the footfall they need. So we have invested in the estate and we hope people recognise it is in top condition.”

http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/...et-see-6302745
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Old November 14th, 2013, 12:55 PM   #170
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Soon to be 100% fully let, now that is good news, that was never conceivable even just a couple of years ago, this shows you the strides forward the city is making.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 01:04 PM   #171
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Just what we need to get the crowds ...........more boats bobbing about in the dock.
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Old November 14th, 2013, 06:20 PM   #172
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Galliford Try secures Royal Liver work

Construction group Galliford Try has been selected to deliver a £1.1m office refurbishment at the Royal Liver Building in Liverpool.

The fast-track 11 week contract, being delivered by Galliford Try's Warrington office, will see the strip out and refurbishment of the third and ninth floors of the Royal Liver Building.

This follows the completion by Galliford Try of a £1m refurbishment of the eighth floor for Royal London Mutual Insurance Society's tenant Pershings Security in June this year.

Dave Clarke, head of special projects for Galliford Try Building North, said: "Securing this contract is a testament to the hard work and dedication that the special projects team have demonstrated over the last 12 months and an accolade to our recently completed refurbishment on behalf of Royal London."

Galliford Try North's special projects team specialises in complex refurbishment and new-build projects in the £50,000 to £2m range. The team recently delivered a single storey extension at Windmill Hill Primary School, Runcorn for Halton Council and a £300,000 office refurbishment for Merseyside Probation Trust.
- See more at: http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news....zAW5zqlQ.dpuf
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Old November 14th, 2013, 11:33 PM   #173
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Albert Dock entrance improvements begin



Liverpool City Council is spending £920,000 on public realm improvements at Salthouse Dock to create a more attractive approach to Albert Dock.

The four-month scheme will open up the footpath area between Salthouse Quay and Gower Street.

The work is being carried out by contractor Amey in partnership with Gower Street Estates, owner of the Albert Dock.

The programme includes:

Removal of low acoustic wall that divides footway of the Strand and quayside of Salthouse Quay
Reconstruction of existing footway, replacing cobbles with smooth surface
Removal of sycamore trees and replacement with reduced number of more appropriate species, Salix Alba 'Liempde', more tolerant of salt laden wind and wet atmosphere

As part of the scheme, the council is also exploring the possibility of erecting kiosks in the area in the future, making it a more attractive location for tourists and workers and generating long-term revenue benefits for the city.

The public realm works will also support the future development of this area of the waterfront, including the new Exhibition Centre Liverpool, which is due to be completed in 2015.

It is anticipated that the works will be completed by 31 March 2014 - in advance of the International Festival for Business in June and July.

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news....Nm4J28Y9.dpuf
Great, but this whole tree thing sounds like a scam - I've never known anywhere else that so frequently plants trees (always with funny euro-tainted money) and then decides they are the wrong trees and that they have to be replaced. We had the same in Church Street. Why not just plant suitable trees and let them grow? Seems to me someone will always claim they are the wrong trees and should be replaced. Leave the trees alone. The big cobbles are a pain in the arse, I'm amazed Albert Dock waited so long to fill the gaps between them. Interested in the concept of an acoustic barrier though - protecting whom from what sound, given that nobody lived there and there was very little traffic on that road at the time......and it looks a bit low to actually do the business.....just more nonsense made-up projects to use up euro money like the pier head Canal that was going to be bring thousands of boats and "animate" the pier head? Ironically there is probably now a better case for acoustic protection given traffic levels - in other countries they use glass for those purposes, I wonder if that is needed for that site?
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Took a walk down there earlier today and took a few photographs of the ongoing work-







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Old November 18th, 2013, 02:14 AM   #175
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Thanks for the excellent photo update, there looks to be plenty of granite setts that will be salvaged
and re-used elsewere in the city.
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Old November 19th, 2013, 09:50 PM   #176
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Fountains in the evening at Salthouse Dock would be a fantastic feature
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This needed doing as difficult to walk or cycle on and people going to/from hotels would find pulling trolley bags difficult, however as design_man has pointed out I cannot see any reason to chop down established Trees.

What a waste of money and a disgrace they have just been chopped down, There are other area's of the city where new trees could have been planted leaving these ones in place as they seemed to be coping with the salt laden atmosphere fine.
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Old December 3rd, 2013, 01:49 PM   #178
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Hovercraft hopes for Rhyl, Llandudno, Liverpool and Blackpool

An MP says it would be "fantastic" to see a hovercraft ferry service return to Rhyl after 50 years as new plans are drawn up.

Vale of Clwyd MP Chris Ruane says three organisations have expressed interest in operating a service like the one that went across to Wirral in 1962.

But it only operated briefly as the craft was wrecked in a storm.

Simon Clitheroe currently volunteers on a RNLI hovercraft at New Brighton, Wirral.

He says while there is still a lot of nostalgia for the old service among those who can remember it, a hovercraft today would be a fast means of getting around north Wales and the north west coast of England.

He estimates the journey time between Rhyl and Blackpool would be under 50 minutes by hovercraft.

Last week, during a debate about transport, Mr Ruane raised a question about whether a feasibility study should be conducted to see if a hovercraft service could be revived to improve travel links.

"Within three days of my speech in Parliament, I have been approached by three separate hovercraft companies that want to establish a hovercraft link between Rhyl and Liverpool," said the MP.

"Rhyl had the first hovercraft passenger service in the world.

"To see it reinstated 50 years after it ceased would be fantastic.

"It would provide a gateway for tourists from the Liverpool city region directly to Rhyl town centre."

Mr Clitheroe has already discussed his Hoverlink plans with the MP and has been in talks with Wirral council for 18 months about a service between New Brighton and Liverpool.
Simon Clitheroe Mr Clitheroe has served on a RNLI hovercraft for eight years

He has his sights set on a £5m hovercraft which could carry 130 people, unlike the four-seat version he uses for rescues from a base at New Brighton.

"Over the past 18 months we have undertaken major talks with key players and partners within the region and are hopeful to announce the start of the service by early 2015," he said.

It is not the first time the idea to restart Rhyl's hovercraft service has been discussed as another organisation launched an attempt in 2007.

But Mr Clitheroe hopes he can find backers to extend his services to include Llandudno where last year it was announced £330,000 was to be spent to build a new landing stage at the end of pier to allow cruise ships to return to the Conwy resort.
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This is excellent! why this hasn't been suggested earlier, or sea travel in general as a way of connecting the towns and city's on the northwest coast is baffling! It would be much more direct, faster and more enjoyable to get a hover craft or ferry service to Blackpool or North Wales than the current rail arrangements and would see the River better utilised.

If this was successful it would add weight to ideas not long ago about an extension to the Mersey ferry to Liverpool Airport.
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I know I'd use it because the kids would love it, it's something different that appeals to me and I'm sure I wouldn't be alone, I'd love to see it happen.
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