New York JFK Airport

[diablo234]

Originally Posted by Сталин

I agree, the terminals should be renovated, some of them look really old, and unfit for passengers.

Many of the terminals such as Terminal 4, Terminal 5, and Terminal 8 have already been rebuilt/renovated. The only terminals that need to be renovated are Terminals 2/3 in which work is already scheduled to take place in the near future.

[pi_malejana]

well, Terminal 3 will be demolished next year IIRC... Terminals 2 and 4 will be connected with a long long long walkway

[Nikonov_Ivan]

I read that the renovation of the terminal 4 costs 1,5 billion$, is it true?

[Сталин]

First time I heard of this, any renders for any of these projects?

[Nikonov_Ivan]

Here, it's on russian: http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Междуна...ди

[JohnFlint1985]

The only option IMHO out of this predicament is a brand new airport away from this conundrum. Anyway you cut it any realistic options for JFK are not going to solve a problem any bit at all. I am not going to discuss fantasy fiction options.

If this new airport is built, part of the traffic can be transferred there.

[Nikonov_Ivan]

But where? Can you find place in NYC to build a new giant airport? And how much will it cost? I think that it will cost so much money to be built

[yankeesfan1000]

As this report shows, there's no where suitable within 40 miles of Manhattan. The best option for a brand new airport, according to the report I linked to, still has some major flaws issues.

"...The second parcel straddling Morris, Hunterdon and Somerset Counties and over 10,000 acres, is oddly shaped with some sec- tions unable to support even a 9,000 feet runway. To fit the nec- essary dimensions would involve considerable taking of private property, both residential and commercial, and intrusion into protected lands (the Highlands) that border the parcel. The tak- ings required and other environmental and regulatory hurdles would make the development of an airport here impractical."

Something has to be done at the end of the day. I am by no means an expert, or even vaguely knowledgable on this subject so I'd love for someone (aqua) to weigh in on what we can realistically expect.

[Сталин]

That is a nice idea, Somewhere off the coast of NYC. It would be even better if they constructed one mega airport[like in Berlin], and closed Newark, LGA, and JFK airports to get rid of noise, and give the area more space. The island airport would be massive[larger than the one above]! Very awesome...

[Nikonov_Ivan]

I'm tottlay agree with you. It would be amazing if they will build such grate and awesome airport

[glitter]

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[Сталин]

Originally Posted by glitter

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No! That is not JFK.

[JohnFlint1985]

Originally Posted by Nikonov_Ivan

But where? Can you find place in NYC to build a new giant airport? And how much will it cost? I think that it will cost so much money to be built

not in NYC. This is out of the question. I'd say Rockland county in NY. Because no matter what you do, to JFK it will still be below other airports of such importance in stature unless they just rebuilt it from scratch.

[Сталин]

Some renovations?

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[desertpunk]

JFK's Once Futuristic Pan Am Terminal Is In Danger of Getting Torn Down

The original architects of the Pan Am Worldport might have hoped that the building would fit in perfectly with the landscape of the new millennium.

The terminal at New York’s JFK Airport was built in 1960 by Ives, Turano & Gardner Associated Architects in the shape of a futuristic flying saucer. It made its mark on American cultural history by sending off the Beatles after their first U.S. tour and appearing in at least one vintage James Bond adventure. Pan Am shuttered its ticket windows in 1991, but the Worldport still serves as a reminder that air travel was once seen as an exotic luxury, rather than a nuisance-riddled necessity.

Although the Worldport is iconic, its current tenant, Delta Airlines, is planning to dismantle the structure, now known as Terminal 3, in 2015 to make way for a $1.2 billion expansion of neighboring Terminal 4. The original Worldport space will eventually be used as a parking lot for aircraft.

Recently, an online campaign to preserve the terminal has been gaining traction, spearheaded by aviation enthusiast Kalev Savi and partner Anthony Stramaglia. Save The Pan Am Worldport aims to keep this iconic piece of aviation architecture from being demolished, and to see it refurbished and repurposed for new generations of jet-setters.

"You just don’t see buildings like that anymore constructed at airports," says Stramaglia. "Now a terminal is more like a warehouse than a showpiece. This building is more of an art form."

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All: http://www.theatlanticcities.com/des...orn-down/4753/

[pi_malejana]

hmm, why can't they just tear down T2 then??

[exseed]

I don't think JFK needs any more runways. To put it in perspective, Heathrow, Dubai, and Hong Kong each take in more passengers than JFK, and they each make do with just 2 runways. Here are the passenger numbers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World's...senger_traffic

What JFK really needs to do is to consolidate its terminals to improve transfers. Having just one building or two connected buildings will make transfers much easier since passengers wouldn't necessarily have to deal with having to exit the terminal and transferring to another one, possibly missing a flight while doing so. I guess it's not so much an issue now since we are seeing gradual consolidation with the T4 expansion and connection to T2, the upcoming T5 expansion, and supposedly, the eventual demolition of T7 and relocation of flights to T8.

Speaking of transfers, I find it pretty ridiculous that incoming international passengers transferring to an outbound international flight still need to pass through immigration (effectively requiring a visa just to transfer), retrieve their baggage, pass through customs, check in, and pass through security again. It seems like a very inefficient and time consuming process, considering the number of times you have to wait in line. In most international airports around the world, upon arriving one only needs to go to a transfer counter and pick up the next boarding pass. (Sometimes, especially when travelling on the same airline, all boarding passes are given to you, and so you don't even need to go to a transfer desk.) After this, you go through a security check and immediately go to the departures level. Whenever I take CX and stopover at HKG, it takes me more than 40 mins, 30 mins on a good day, to go from the arriving plane to the departure gate. What JFK needs is a dedicated international terminal where passengers can easily transfer from one flight to the next.

T4 and T8 look like they could easily be modified to allow transferring. They could either dedicate an entire terminal to international flights only, or assign a portion of gates for the use of international flights, and separate international and domestic passengers in the departures level. With that, they could just add a security checkpoint in the arrivals level and some stairs/elevators to the departures level. It really doesn't require a huge overhaul of the terminal. Airlines such as AA and DL that use JFK as a hub would especially benefit from a terminal with international transit capability.

[desertpunk]

Originally Posted by pi_malejana

hmm, why can't they just tear down T2 then??

Delta is only connecting T4 to T2 while trying to demolish the Worldport for airliner parking(!). So it does make more sense to preserve T3's famous saucer while demolishing the rest of the terminal. Delta obviously just wants a seamless connector from T2 to T4 without that old school 'bump out'; while at the same time, extending Concourse B all the way out to the bay practically. Overall, a needless waste.

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I'm feeling good about the chances of saving the Worldport.

[desertpunk]

Here's the BIG plan:


http://www.airliners.net/aviation-fo....main/4895622/

[phoenixboi08]

Originally Posted by Сталин

That is a nice idea, Somewhere off the coast of NYC. It would be even better if they constructed one mega airport[like in Berlin], and closed Newark, LGA, and JFK airports to get rid of noise, and give the area more space. The island airport would be massive[larger than the one above]! Very awesome...

Wonderful idea, except 1) potential storm surge and 2) - this is minor - circles are inefficient designs for airports, unless it's a massive circle.

But I am in love with this idea too...is there nowhere in NJ or NY they can put this?