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Old October 26th, 2012, 05:11 PM   #241
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Does anybody want to see my mock-up pictures of what this will look like on the skyline, using Google Earth?
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Old October 26th, 2012, 06:12 PM   #242
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We will see - Glass half empty type are you Caiman ?. I personally think it has a chance
Just disillusioned after almost 10 years on here and only seeing Beetham go up out of all the tall proposals that have come and gone :p
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Old October 26th, 2012, 06:43 PM   #243
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If it is ever built it would be interesting to see how it stands compared to the other talls, because looking out of this train window, that 106 meter student tower doesn't even seem to have made a dent on the skyline. I personally reckon we'd need to see another Beetham sized structure to make another big impact.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 07:59 PM   #244
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I've come to realise it's not just about height with Manchester.

Portland Tower, 17 New Wakefield St, North Tower... they're all 25+floor towers, and look really tall from the ground, but non of them seem to ever pop their head above the skyline at all.

It's about bulkiness and chunkyness of the tower. In my opinion, this is because Manchester built a load of wide-based towers (City, Arndale, CIS) in the 60s and 70s, and they're the ones that make a big impact on the skyline because they're tall and chunky. Beetham is, too, tall and chunky and makes a big impact.

17 New Wakefield St has the height, but no depth and as such it's hardly ever seen. It's actually just smaller than City Tower, but you'd never be able to tell. On the flip side, look at the impact Number One St Peter's Square is already having on the skyline, despite just its core sticking up!

This tower has the depth. Looking at the footprint on Google Earth, it's about as wide as the Beetham. However, it does have a thin side too.

At the end of the day, this is a tall and wide tower. When viewed from its "wide" angle, it'll make a huge impact on the skyline,

but when viewed from its thin side, I'm not so sure it will. But only time will tell.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 08:23 PM   #245
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Does anybody want to see my mock-up pictures of what this will look like on the skyline, using Google Earth?
Oh, go on then, if you must
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Old October 26th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #246
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Old October 26th, 2012, 09:54 PM   #247
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Hardly the stuff of dreams is it?

I think we'll have to wait until the economy fully recovers before we get another decent tall building. Roll on 2020...
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Old October 27th, 2012, 07:38 AM   #248
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If it is ever built it would be interesting to see how it stands compared to the other talls, because looking out of this train window, that 106 meter student tower doesn't even seem to have made a dent on the skyline. I personally reckon we'd need to see another Beetham sized structure to make another big impact.
Have you been down Hyde rd coming from Gorton? Great view of both Beetham and Student castle, with the sides of the road acting as frame. Other great views of the Manchester Skyline can be seen coming from Cheetham Hill, and Mancunian Way. Driving through Mancunian Way, as passenger, the skyscrapers look a lot more exciting than some of the bland skyline photographs I've seen till date.

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Old October 27th, 2012, 03:27 PM   #249
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It will certainly be a welcome addition, but Manchester needs a non box tall and to be honest we'll be waiting a long time for that Our talls are always going to be residential, and that means they'll always be basic shapes. We need an office development to create a building that will truly make the skyline, something with a spire or a crown.

It doesn't matter if Manchester adds another box skyscaper or twelve, it'll get bulkier and denser but it'll never make it any better until there's some dramatic shapes thrown in to the mix. The original 1HS would have fulfilled this, with its dramatic sloping roof and steel lattice work on top. Hopefully one day the proposals for that site will throw up something which fulfils that iconic building spec.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 08:11 PM   #250
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I've come to realise it's not just about height with Manchester.

Portland Tower, 17 New Wakefield St, North Tower... they're all 25+floor towers, and look really tall from the ground, but non of them seem to ever pop their head above the skyline at all.

It's about bulkiness and chunkyness of the tower.
As I keep banging on about...... it's all about the topography of the city. The higher parts of the city centre are around the Piccadilly area, explaining the dominance of the City Tower.
Many of the sites for tall buildings in Manchester are unfortunately on lower ground. The best example of this is the CIS Building. Imagine if this sat at the top end of Miller St instead of at the lower end. It would appear at least 5 stories higher and would look great on the skyline from more angles.
North Tower is also a good example as it sits at the side of the river down a massive dip. Result: virtually invisible on the skyline from most angles.

This is also a reason why Student Castle doesn't do much from the skyline perspective. River St (clue in the name) is an even lower site. I predict it's impact on the skyline will be little more than City Tower. It will look decent enough from the bottom end of the Princess Parkway in Hulme though.

Today's lesson: if we want a good looking skyline, build talls in the Piccadilly area where their impact on the skyline will be maximised. Building them in dips or by rivers is a waste.

Right I'm off out. Have a good evening folks
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Old October 28th, 2012, 09:02 PM   #251
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looking forward to this. Hope it will get built.
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Old December 2nd, 2012, 08:08 PM   #252
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Whats the crack then lads.
Whens it going up?
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 03:18 AM   #253
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^ beetham is actually very slim and elegant when viewed side on, the student "caste" has already become an eyesore - really tragic mistake that grey lump is..
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Old December 3rd, 2012, 09:35 PM   #254
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I'm also very dissapointed with the Student castle - it's height is its only notable characteristic. It's tall for sure, but the colours are rank. Besides, the prospect of looking down on loads of electrified railway wires and the dullness of Oxford Road station is hardly the best in town is it? I don't think it's the best site for a tower of that sort of profile anyway, its out of scale with its surroundings and would have been better being built nearer the Mancunian Way further down Oxford Road.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 12:14 PM   #255
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Give me the vista over Central Manchester and close proximity to both Oxford Road (Grade II) and the Refuge Assurance building (Grade II*) over looking down on six lanes of traffic and some barren car parks (or some shockingly bad University boxes) any day.

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Old December 4th, 2012, 12:59 PM   #256
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the dullness of Oxford Road station

You're kidding right?
Wonderful building. Really enigmatic.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 09:52 PM   #257
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I'm also very dissapointed with the Student castle - it's height is its only notable characteristic. It's tall for sure, but the colours are rank. Besides, the prospect of looking down on loads of electrified railway wires and the dullness of Oxford Road station is hardly the best in town is it? I don't think it's the best site for a tower of that sort of profile anyway, its out of scale with its surroundings and would have been better being built nearer the Mancunian Way further down Oxford Road.
WHATTT!?!?! The only thing dull about Manchester are the endless glass or terracotta buildings. Have you actually ever been? Look at that timber/glass canopy! Come back when you've found another building in Manchester that uses timber as a material.
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Old December 4th, 2012, 10:19 PM   #258
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WHATTT!?!?! The only thing dull about Manchester are the endless glass or terracotta buildings. Have you actually ever been? Look at that timber/glass canopy! Come back when you've found another building in Manchester that uses timber as a material.
That's a cracking shot. I wish my bedroom window offered me a view like that!
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That's a cracking shot. I wish my bedroom window offered me a view like that!
Just a shame you can't see the full canopy from most places in Manchester.
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Old December 13th, 2012, 03:44 PM   #260
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Article from one of the directors of Chelmer Developments (also is a director of a Manchester based Chartered Surveyors),

http://www.placenorthwest.co.uk/news...s-in-flux.html

"We are now working on the finer details of the building and operation but fully intend to press forward with construction as soon as possible."
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