Will Confucianism lead the world???

[kelvinyang]

Originally Posted by YelloPerilo

Elitism without darwinism!

I like this.

[YelloPerilo]

Originally Posted by kelvinyang

I like this.

Confucianism is elitism without darwinism.

[Huhu]

Originally Posted by YelloPerilo

Confucianism is elitism without darwinism.

Still runs contrary to the founding principles of the people's republic no?

[YelloPerilo]

Originally Posted by Huhu

Still runs contrary to the founding principles of the people's republic no?

What principels are you talking about?

[z0rg]

Originally Posted by kelvinyang

I prefer the western capitalism than the eastern capitalism. What we see in the East is the family-controlled large corporations. I like the corporate governance of western style.

My ideal society is the one in which incompetent people will fall quickly from the top of the social hierarchy and competent people will rise quickly from the bottom of the social hierarchy. It seems that the current eastern capitalism opposes this principle.

I don't know how does this work in China. But in Europe rich families don't fall down no matter how lazy and incompetent they are. Same for our beloved politicians and democractic political parties. Even the soviet union was closer to meritocracy than us in many aspects I think.

[Huhu]

Originally Posted by YelloPerilo

What principels are you talking about?

Social equality and equitable distribution of resources?

[z0rg]

Originally Posted by Huhu

Social equality and equitable distribution of resources?

Communism is elitist in a way too. Remember Lenin's ideas about intellectual elites which should "lead" the others towards the revolution, and what about Marxist views on the so called "lumpenproletariat"? The communist philosophy seeks a social pyramid too in a way despite of those cool propagandist slogans of the trendy far left parties of the West today.

[Huhu]

You're talking about Lenin's concept of the "vanguard of the revolution." It was not conceived of as an "elite" in the way it is developing now in China. Political elite that controlled power yes, but not economic and definitely not social.

[Celebriton]

Sorry for bringing a topic from Jurassic era....but I think, it still relevant to discuss it.

Confucius capitalism, I mean Confucius opinion about economy. Confucius is a Prime Minister of the kingdom of Lu. As a statesman, his opinion about economy is: prices were low, horses and cattle could be seen everywhere, food was widely available, and communities were so safe that people could leave their doors open at night without fear of being burgled.

The communities were so safe that people could leave their doors open at night without fear of being burgled, it means: Confucius connect poverty and unequal economy distribution with crime rate. Confucius believe that all human basically are good, people became thief because they are threatened unequally and poverty, their needs and desires are not fulfilled.

During Confucius era, Zhou dynasty, there was no concept of communism, people were living in a free market era. Based on that the most correct definition of Confucius economy in modern term is Socio-Capitalism. During imperial era, there were many form of socio-capitalism system to achieve Confucius utopia. There's no one way one solution kind, only one goal.


Now, the relationship with the economy success of modern Confucius states. I think, the most importance part is......FACE. Face is powerful, not just in government and nation level, but also as in individual.

Confucius meaning about face is feel shame of being bad person. Bad person have a double meaning, one is evil person, the other is lazy unproductive useless person. Lost face or feel shame being labeled as lazy unproductive useless person.....that is the powerful force behind Confucius followers success as individual. And lost face as a nation, feel shame being labeled as lazy unproductive useless nation, is the powerful force behind Confucius countries success.

The concept of face is not like what many Westerners believe. Not face as superficial, but face in real value. It's not wearing a nice cloth pretending to became a wealthy educated person. But a real wealthy educated person, even if he wear a bad cheap cloth.


The other questions, where Chinese people develop their capitalist skill? I think it first came from the Shennong, 5-7 thousands years ago. He was the first introduced agriculture, market and money in East Asia. After that is Han dynasty introduced Confucianism as national ideology and put that powerful face culture into the society, then Song dynasty world first industrial revolution, continued with Ming privatization and so on.....until today.

OK, I'm bubbling. Now what's your knowledge and understanding?