South Lake Union Development News - Page 36

mhays · December 4th, 2012, 02:22 AM

The google map idea has some merit, but even that could be wildly inaccurate due to time of day/week, weather, etc. It's only once per location. Do it five times per location and control for times of day and you'd have more.

Another option would be to pick a collection of locations in each city, then have an aerial photographer fly over five times per week. That may be cheaper, easier, and more accurate than contracting google to do it for you or attempting the same thing yourself from the ground. Aerial photographers are hurting these days and would love the work.

With crimes, if the stats can separate out the ones involving strangers, that would be an advantage. That's much closer to what people mean when they think about their safety as a visitor.

RMacherat · December 4th, 2012, 09:21 AM

Maybe we need a Statistics thread where we could go on forever (which is about how long it would take.) Best thing is to calculate the number of, say, gruesome ax murders per square foot and per capita, then move to the location where you feel safest.

Matt the Engineer · December 4th, 2012, 04:05 PM

That one's easy. Gruesome axe murders always happen in the woods, out of cell service. In the urban realm, crazy sniper fire deaths are usually on college campuses.

mhays · December 4th, 2012, 04:58 PM

Tying to South Lake Union, back in the Seattle Commons days, safety was a big part of park design concepts. The thought was that vegetation should be below the knee or above the head. As for bushes, they generally don't have bad people behind them (except Cheney of course) but they could, and they make some people feel less safe.

Capitol Hill · December 4th, 2012, 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhays

Tying to South Lake Union, back in the Seattle Commons days, safety was a big part of park design concepts. The thought was that vegetation should be below the knee or above the head. As for bushes, they generally don't have bad people behind them (except Cheney of course) but they could, and they make some people feel less safe.

Okay, that was a great line.

CityView Jim · December 7th, 2012, 08:34 PM

Sorry for the partial post here:

http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/p...lanning--.html

Says the trio of towers lakeside (Paul Allen's) start the review process next week. I guess it's not Design Review but some other. Glad to see moving forward though.

alexjonlin · December 8th, 2012, 12:13 AM

Huh, probably starting the environmental review process for it?

CityView Jim · December 12th, 2012, 03:32 AM

This one I'm excited about!! Mercer and Westlake Brain Science building:

http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/AppDocs/G...endaID4208.pdf

This is the second proposal that references a new park or open area where Broad Street is(was) near 9th.

LCIII · December 12th, 2012, 03:46 AM

Thanks for posting! This project looks great.

CityView Jim · December 12th, 2012, 04:22 AM

I don't recall hearing about this project. This is NOT the Denny/Fairview corner which is a parking lot, but the adjacent Fairview block where The Seattle Times is/was:

http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...tmentsxml.html

Sorry, only 7 stories.

RMacherat · December 12th, 2012, 09:21 AM

I have to tell you guys, even after the World's Fair, few if any would have imagined that people with all the money in the world would be building stuff like this in the wasteland for using the greatest brainpower to benefit the world. Just awesome.

mhays · December 12th, 2012, 05:44 PM

That's true. Vibrant mixed-use urban centers weren't even on most lists back then. It took another 25 years to really get going on the infill front, but the changes have been incredible since. And having greater Downtown become a major research center wasn't anticipated until Fred Hutch in the late 80s, then Vulcan sometime after the Commons votes.

Ruffhauser · December 12th, 2012, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CityView Jim

I don't recall hearing about this project. This is NOT the Denny/Fairview corner which is a parking lot, but the adjacent Fairview block where The Seattle Times is/was:

http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...tmentsxml.html

Sorry, only 7 stories.

From the article....

"The developer’s preliminary plans don’t include the block’s southeast corner at Fairview and John, where the facade of the headquarters building has been designated a historic landmark. The Times has indicated that, while that facade would be preserved, the rest of the building would be demolished."

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And then there is the rest of this northern portion of the parcel and the Times building

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SeattleRedhawk86 · December 14th, 2012, 05:34 AM

http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...ldings14m.html

Capitol Hill · December 14th, 2012, 06:49 AM

http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...ldings14m.html

Um...wow.

alexjonlin · December 14th, 2012, 07:49 AM

"Out of scale" is such a weird term. How can 400' tall buildings along Denny be out of scale when they are across the street from zoning that already allows similar heights? How are 240' tall towers taking up 1/4 of the block above much shorter podiums out of scale when there are 160' tall buildings that go all the way to the street a couple blocks away? Also, will they stop making it sound like the 240' towers are right on the lake? We have a nice, big, currently underused park between there and the lake, and taller towers will only make it so that more people will be there to enjoy it!

RMacherat · December 14th, 2012, 08:22 AM

I've written some crude things about these people to make fun of their fears, but the opposition points raised in this particular session were flatly idiotic. Yeah, "out of scale" of whut? The end of your nose? Jeez ...

Matt the Engineer · December 14th, 2012, 09:25 AM

The bizzare part is that all three claimed not to be losing views. The old neighborhood is long gone, if there ever really was one. There's clearly no street parking, so no street parking to lose. They're right next to the freeway, so they can't be worried about traffic. I'm honestly not understanding their objection, and even this strongly slanted Times article hasn't cleared up their point of view.

seapug · December 14th, 2012, 11:55 AM

It's a bizarre situation. I think a lot of it comes from the fact that it used to be cheaper to live there. When my parents first moved to the neighborhood, there was a guy that use to constantly harass my dad. Every day, at 2 a.m. When my dad would leave for work there was always this guy sitting in an old truck. He would usually flash his brights at my dad or flip him off. He got more and more brazen as time progressed, he began following my dad a little bit. One day when my dad was leaving he pulled the truck up and blocked my dad. He got out and said something about how he's tired of all these young people moving to the neighborhood that have never had to work a day in their life, and claimed that they were destroying the neighborhood. The guy's gone now. It was just really strange though. I can't understand this anti-progress mentality that exists in seattle. I use to think it was everybody, but now that I've been here a while, I realize it really is just a small but very vocal group. I wish there was a way we could just make them irrelevant.

CityView Jim · December 14th, 2012, 05:04 PM

Mirabella was out of scale when it was built. But it got built. Geez Louise!!

December 4th, 2012, 04:05 PM	#703
Matt the Engineer Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,079 Likes (Received): 88	That one's easy. Gruesome axe murders always happen in the woods, out of cell service. In the urban realm, crazy sniper fire deaths are usually on college campuses. Last edited by Matt the Engineer; December 4th, 2012 at 06:36 PM.

December 12th, 2012, 03:32 AM	#708
CityView Jim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,953 Likes (Received): 62	This one I'm excited about!! Mercer and Westlake Brain Science building: http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/AppDocs/G...endaID4208.pdf This is the second proposal that references a new park or open area where Broad Street is(was) near 9th. Last edited by CityView Jim; December 12th, 2012 at 03:38 AM.

December 14th, 2012, 06:49 AM	#715
Capitol Hill Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 2,381 Likes (Received): 156	http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...ldings14m.html Um...wow. __________________ After Monday and Tuesday, even the calendar says WTF

December 14th, 2012, 08:22 AM	#717
RMacherat Buy used books Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,714 Likes (Received): 82	I've written some crude things about these people to make fun of their fears, but the opposition points raised in this particular session were flatly idiotic. Yeah, "out of scale" of whut? The end of your nose? Jeez ... Last edited by RMacherat; December 14th, 2012 at 09:41 PM.

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December 4th, 2012, 02:22 AM	#701
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,364 Likes (Received): 116	The google map idea has some merit, but even that could be wildly inaccurate due to time of day/week, weather, etc. It's only once per location. Do it five times per location and control for times of day and you'd have more. Another option would be to pick a collection of locations in each city, then have an aerial photographer fly over five times per week. That may be cheaper, easier, and more accurate than contracting google to do it for you or attempting the same thing yourself from the ground. Aerial photographers are hurting these days and would love the work. With crimes, if the stats can separate out the ones involving strangers, that would be an advantage. That's much closer to what people mean when they think about their safety as a visitor.

December 4th, 2012, 09:21 AM	#702
RMacherat Buy used books Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,714 Likes (Received): 82	Maybe we need a Statistics thread where we could go on forever (which is about how long it would take.) Best thing is to calculate the number of, say, gruesome ax murders per square foot and per capita, then move to the location where you feel safest.

December 4th, 2012, 04:58 PM	#704
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,364 Likes (Received): 116	Tying to South Lake Union, back in the Seattle Commons days, safety was a big part of park design concepts. The thought was that vegetation should be below the knee or above the head. As for bushes, they generally don't have bad people behind them (except Cheney of course) but they could, and they make some people feel less safe.

December 7th, 2012, 08:34 PM	#706
CityView Jim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,953 Likes (Received): 62	Sorry for the partial post here: http://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/p...lanning--.html Says the trio of towers lakeside (Paul Allen's) start the review process next week. I guess it's not Design Review but some other. Glad to see moving forward though.

December 8th, 2012, 12:13 AM	#707
alexjonlin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,258 Likes (Received): 83	Huh, probably starting the environmental review process for it?

December 12th, 2012, 03:46 AM	#709
LCIII Registered User Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 2,857 Likes (Received): 59	Thanks for posting! This project looks great.

December 12th, 2012, 04:22 AM	#710
CityView Jim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,953 Likes (Received): 62	I don't recall hearing about this project. This is NOT the Denny/Fairview corner which is a parking lot, but the adjacent Fairview block where The Seattle Times is/was: http://seattletimes.com/html/busines...tmentsxml.html Sorry, only 7 stories.

December 12th, 2012, 09:21 AM	#711
RMacherat Buy used books Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 1,714 Likes (Received): 82	I have to tell you guys, even after the World's Fair, few if any would have imagined that people with all the money in the world would be building stuff like this in the wasteland for using the greatest brainpower to benefit the world. Just awesome.

December 12th, 2012, 05:44 PM	#712
mhays Journeyman Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Seattle Posts: 8,364 Likes (Received): 116	That's true. Vibrant mixed-use urban centers weren't even on most lists back then. It took another 25 years to really get going on the infill front, but the changes have been incredible since. And having greater Downtown become a major research center wasn't anticipated until Fred Hutch in the late 80s, then Vulcan sometime after the Commons votes.

December 14th, 2012, 05:34 AM	#714
SeattleRedhawk86 Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 232 Likes (Received): 14	http://seattletimes.com/html/localne...ldings14m.html

December 14th, 2012, 07:49 AM	#716
alexjonlin Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 2,258 Likes (Received): 83	"Out of scale" is such a weird term. How can 400' tall buildings along Denny be out of scale when they are across the street from zoning that already allows similar heights? How are 240' tall towers taking up 1/4 of the block above much shorter podiums out of scale when there are 160' tall buildings that go all the way to the street a couple blocks away? Also, will they stop making it sound like the 240' towers are right on the lake? We have a nice, big, currently underused park between there and the lake, and taller towers will only make it so that more people will be there to enjoy it!

December 14th, 2012, 09:25 AM	#718
Matt the Engineer Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,079 Likes (Received): 88	The bizzare part is that all three claimed not to be losing views. The old neighborhood is long gone, if there ever really was one. There's clearly no street parking, so no street parking to lose. They're right next to the freeway, so they can't be worried about traffic. I'm honestly not understanding their objection, and even this strongly slanted Times article hasn't cleared up their point of view.

December 14th, 2012, 11:55 AM	#719
seapug Registered User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: seattle Posts: 529 Likes (Received): 34	It's a bizarre situation. I think a lot of it comes from the fact that it used to be cheaper to live there. When my parents first moved to the neighborhood, there was a guy that use to constantly harass my dad. Every day, at 2 a.m. When my dad would leave for work there was always this guy sitting in an old truck. He would usually flash his brights at my dad or flip him off. He got more and more brazen as time progressed, he began following my dad a little bit. One day when my dad was leaving he pulled the truck up and blocked my dad. He got out and said something about how he's tired of all these young people moving to the neighborhood that have never had to work a day in their life, and claimed that they were destroying the neighborhood. The guy's gone now. It was just really strange though. I can't understand this anti-progress mentality that exists in seattle. I use to think it was everybody, but now that I've been here a while, I realize it really is just a small but very vocal group. I wish there was a way we could just make them irrelevant.

December 14th, 2012, 05:04 PM	#720
CityView Jim Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 3,953 Likes (Received): 62	Mirabella was out of scale when it was built. But it got built. Geez Louise!!