What does Tampa need?

[Cloud7]

Originally Posted by FlaNatv

Future Tampa Skyline?
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How long would this take for Tampa? 50 years?

Hmm, ... Tampa 2050-2060... I predict it will look like half of that skyline. Perhaps a bit more expansive if they can link Westshore together with mass transit or whatever.

I'm thinking it would be perhaps as big as the Seattle skyline is now.

[Jasonhouse]

Doubtful imo.

[Cloud7]

Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

Doubtful imo.

That is a possibility it might not grow much but really hope not.It worries me that the only thing they built during the last housing boom (a tower that matches the height/size of all of the other taller towers) was the Element. The last one that was built around the size of the element was in 1992 (I don't remember which building I was only 10), such a shame. ...What do you think then for Tampa 2050? ...Twice as big as it is now?

You would think by then some people would have gotten together and said, "you know, what a great area for a big city". Apply some good advertising and marketing and start growing a couple monoliths downtown to get things snowballing.

I think the younger generations tend to want Tampa to be a big city.

[I-275westcoastfl]

We might get a quarter of that skyline realistically. It would take a boom and complete 180 of current thinking to get anything close to that for Tampa.

[Jasonhouse]

Originally Posted by Cloud7

That is a possibility it might not grow much but really hope not.It worries me that the only thing they built during the last housing boom (a tower that matches the height/size of all of the other taller towers) was the Element. The last one that was built around the size of the element was in 1992 (I don't remember which building I was only 10), such a shame. ...What do you think then for Tampa 2050? ...Twice as big as it is now?

You would think by then some people would have gotten together and said, "you know, what a great area for a big city". Apply some good advertising and marketing and start growing a couple monoliths downtown to get things snowballing.

I think the younger generations tend to want Tampa to be a big city.

Tampa's DT skyline would maybe be 3 or even 4 times as big as now, which is nowhere near as big as Seattle's skyline currently is, and would still be in a different league from Melbourne show in the pic.

[Cloud7]

Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

Tampa's DT skyline would maybe be 3 or even 4 times as big as now, which is nowhere near as big as Seattle's skyline currently is, and would still be in a different league from Melbourne show in the pic.

Perhaps it could become really spread out, like Atlanta's skyline. If Westshore ever allows any hi-rises to be built that would help that whole area.

[USF802]

Off the topic of discussing the skyline, could Franklin St. be turned into a pedestrian only mall. I was thinking something like Burlington, VT,a 4 block pedestrian only mall, so say from the Ft. Brooke parking garage to say Twiggs. Have ground level retail on both sides with a good mix of restaurants, as well as various stores. Just an idea that I have been mulling over for a while, what are all your thoughts on it.

[Jasonhouse]

Originally Posted by Cloud7

Perhaps it could become really spread out, like Atlanta's skyline. If Westshore ever allows any hi-rises to be built that would help that whole area.

The FAA/HCAA imposed height restrictions which affect much of the city would generally prevent it. And if those don't get you, the residents who can't see beyond the end of their own front yards will fight urbanization as if it's a communist invasion. (which is what half of them literally think it is anyways)

Even DT Tampa will never have tall buildings like those found in Seattle or Melbourne due to these restrictions. I don't remember the exact number, b

[dmpeek77]

Tampa will be under water in 50-60 years so no it will not look like that...

[Cloud7]

Originally Posted by dmpeek77

Tampa will be under water in 50-60 years so no it will not look like that...

Not all of it, just everything 15-20 feet or under. Just part of downtown and allot of land below Dr. MLK blvd could be underwater. Pinellas would be completely submerged though, ( ) the average elevation is like 8 feet in Pinellas.

Levys people!

[Cloud7]

Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

The FAA/HCAA imposed height restrictions which affect much of the city would generally prevent it. And if those don't get you, the residents who can't see beyond the end of their own front yards will fight urbanization as if it's a communist invasion. (which is what half of them literally think it is anyways)

Even DT Tampa will never have tall buildings like those found in Seattle or Melbourne due to these restrictions. I don't remember the exact number, b

Is there a way these height restrictions could be altered?... Though, that's no guarantee that would actually make anything happen.

[miketpa]

Originally Posted by dmpeek77

Tampa will be under water in 50-60 years so no it will not look like that...

Haha...at least Bayshore, Palma Ceia, the Courtney Campbell..... If Tampa can get it's act together with a much more urban plan and actual mass transit, it's got a chance. But if that doesn't come into place by 2020 I think we'll just fall further into a stagnant suburban quagmire as more progressive cities pass us by.

[I-275westcoastfl]

Originally Posted by Cloud7

Not all of it, just everything 15-20 feet or under. Just part of downtown and allot of land below Dr. MLK blvd could be underwater. Pinellas would be completely submerged though, ( ) the average elevation is like 8 feet in Pinellas.

Levys people!

Where did you get 8ft from? Take a look at the storm surge map of Pinellas County, anything in the red is <8 ft above sea level. I personally live around 100ft above sea level.

http://www.pinellascounty.org/emerge...cation_map.pdf

[Dean]

Originally Posted by Jasonhouse

Tampa's DT skyline would maybe be 3 or even 4 times as big as now, which is nowhere near as big as Seattle's skyline currently is, and would still be in a different league from Melbourne show in the pic.

It's a little unfair to compare Melbourne with Tampa and wonder why tampa isnt more than what it is. Melbourne is a city of 4.2 million in a country of 23 million and has been, along with sydney, at the head of Australia's economy for more than 100 years. Tampa has not been as fortunate in the US.

The worlds largest ever gold rush in the 1850's transformed Melbourne from backwater to the richest city in the British empire with 30 years. This is the reason the train and tram network is so intensive and far reaching and the reason for all the grand classical and European style public buildings and stately homes which are present throughout the city.

The multicultural nature of the city and its liveability with all its major events (think Formula 1 GP, Aussie Open tennis, Melbourne Cup etc) has spawned a massive building boom in the last 15 years as people now want to live in the CBD in tall apartment towers close to everything rather than on the old detached house and land out in the burbs.



Most of what is you in the foreground including the massive Eureka Tower are resi towers.
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[Jahi98]

Originally Posted by USF802

Off the topic of discussing the skyline, could Franklin St. be turned into a pedestrian only mall. I was thinking something like Burlington, VT,a 4 block pedestrian only mall, so say from the Ft. Brooke parking garage to say Twiggs. Have ground level retail on both sides with a good mix of restaurants, as well as various stores. Just an idea that I have been mulling over for a while, what are all your thoughts on it.

I would prefer something more like Nicollet Mall in Minneapolis.

[miketpa]

Franklin St was exclusively a ped mall for years, it's only within the last 5 or 6 years they started allowing cars on it again. I think the business owners complained long enough for the city to finally re-open it to cars outside of lunchtime during the week.

[DShenise]

Yeah, Franklin St was a pedestrian mall for years. It was great for lunch hour, but absolutely dead the other 23 hours of the day. Which is kinda weird in and of itself that DT businesses act more like industrial age businesses with a regimented "lunch hour" than information/service age companies with more flexibility.

[Cloud7]

I don't know... the only way I could see Tampa as becoming a alpha world city (at least on par with Miami perhaps) is if something drastic/grandiose would happen. (like a Dubai) ... It's just not worth it waiting decades until the year 2072 (when I'm 90 years old),for it (and even only a chance that is) to be like a Seattle or Melbourne. ...and yes I admit it's culture and not how pretty the skyline is that really makes a city.
Somebody or a group with LOTS of resources and money needs to grab a hold with the area. When you get into the budget of tens of billions of dollars,imo it really does not matter much/barely a factor what the current residents think. ...The people filling up all of the new towers would want GROWTH!

[Del Mayberry]

Publix speculation...

http://www2.tbo.com/news/opinion/201...-be-ar-616711/

[Del Mayberry]

thought this should go here. It's positive news for downtown and I'm sure the times will contradict it very soon.

http://www2.tbo.com/news/news/2013/f...esi-ar-639759/