Old and Victorian Liverpool - Black 'n' White photos

[Tom Hughes]

Originally Posted by Portobello Red

Our old starter home..... always thought the kop was a predominently a cinder mound concreted over with only the rear sections added later with structural concrete. Didn't the original mainstand get taken down and put onto the Kemlyn side when the new mainstand was built in about 1905-6? I know the Kemlyn was a tiny structure right up to the early 60's (as was the mainstand in reality).

[General Zod returns]

I found this link on the Echo website. It shows a fair few old Liverpool shops. Mainly M&S, Lewis' and other department stores. Take a peek!

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/multi...0252-32175314/

[urbansubrosa]

Came across this link before, not sure if its been on this thread (or any others) but it has a great collection of old post cards, sadly i cant find page one thou for some reason but 2 onwards are great

Geoff Topp retired Liverpool Pilot (Postcard Collection)

http://www.merchantnavyofficers.com/topp2.html

[JohnW]

I'm not sure if this is the right thread but I came this across on Twitter. Absolutely fascinating - merging old & new photos of Liverpool. I saw something similar not so long ago on the BBC News website where a Dutch or Belgian guy had merged wartime photos with modern-day ones to show how damaged streets/areas had changed. This is very nice.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithjones84/

https://twitter.com/keithjones84/sta...90857891463170

Looks like the blending was done by @KitchenTableLFC https://twitter.com/kitchentableLFC/...93988213813250



Cheers

John

[Silver lass]

Amazing photos in these links.

Well done, these images are so interesting.

[MR KITE]

From this collection:http://www.flickr.com/photos/1939noe...oto_8238204366

Custom House and St Michael's Church in the shot.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/1939noe...6965/lightbox/

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http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8341/8...cb9d6ce0_c.jpg

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http://www.flickr.com/photos/1939noe...ream/lightbox/

[the golden vision]

Sections of a 4ft panorama from Bank Hall in the north to Dingle in the south. This was done in and the 1860's and is a incredibly accurate visual record of the city. Gambier Terrace is shown half completed(the money ran out) even relatively humble buildings are shown in detail, for instance the round headed windows of the Baltic Fleet can be seen.


Kirkdale, with part of Stanley Dock.

[the golden vision]

Vauxhall looking north towards Everton. In the top of the picture can be see two Everton landmarks, the lock-up and the water tower.

[the golden vision]

[the golden vision]

The Albert Dock, Duke's Dock warehouse, looking across the Baltic Triangle and Ropewalks to Canning. The Baltic Fleet pub is circled. St Bride's Church can be seen as well as St Michael's Upper Pitt St, close by is Great George's Square, amazingly even the central pediment of the terrace is shown.

[Inigo]

There are a few images of the Liverpool and Manchester railway on the ICE railway. I thought this one of the moorish arch at crown street was particularly interesting.

http://ice-imagelibrary.com/2578314/...hester-railway

[Mel Wood]

Originally Posted by JohnW

I'm not sure if this is the right thread but I came this across on Twitter. Absolutely fascinating - merging old & new photos of Liverpool. I saw something similar not so long ago on the BBC News website where a Dutch or Belgian guy had merged wartime photos with modern-day ones to show how damaged streets/areas had changed. This is very nice.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithjones84/

https://twitter.com/keithjones84/sta...90857891463170

Looks like the blending was done by @KitchenTableLFC https://twitter.com/kitchentableLFC/...93988213813250



Cheers

John

Hi all. Great thread and cheers for sharing, John. I am keithjones84, and just if anyone's interested, I added another 80-odd shots to that 'Liverpool Then and Now' set of mine last night

http://www.flickr.com/photos/keithjo...7632063149974/

I've still got plenty more in the works, more suburb, docks and pub-based though, with a bit of city centre to do if the weather stays reasonable!

I hope they are of some interest to some of you.

[Ben_W]

Thanks for sharing those - really fascinating comparisons!

[Pablo Diablo]

Has anyone seen the 'Old Photos of Liverpool' Facebook page? https://www.facebook.com/OldPhotographsofLiverpool

Seeing photos of some parts of the city (specifically around Islington/Brunswick Road/Shaw Street) and the community that existed and comparing it to the mess of wasteland, wide bleak expressways and council houses that stand there today is just heartbreaking

[Cagmag]

[QUOTE=Keayman;32457308]I'll give this another go at uploading.

99-105 Rose Place with 105 being the furthest property on the corner of Fox Street which was occupied by Mr Washington, a butcher. Taken on 2/5/1935 during a Liverpool Corporation Engineers Department purge on delapidated and unsanitary properties including many courts, these don't seem to be in that bad a state. The fancy property across Fox Street on the corner of Bute Street is Blackledges bakery.






It,s great to see a photo of Rose place , my G G grandparents lived in , Rose place, i wonder how old these houses are ?they were living there in 1848 , i have seen on Google maps that the setts are still there,
What a shame they were pulled down?
I have got some more streets to research .Tichbourne terrace. Richmond Terrace Richmond Row . Henry Edward Street, Lying in Hospital, Pembroke place. Cag

[the golden vision]

The houses on the photo date from about 1820-1830. Rose Place was certainly in existence by 1820 and would've consisted mainly of 'court housing' which would've been cleared by the 1930's. It's probable that the property in the photo was part of a court,the entrance being out of shot. More on this type of dwelling:
http://liverpoolhistorysocietyquesti...dwellings.html

Liverpool Records Office holds the best archive of old pictures of the city.

http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/librarie...amily-history/

[Awayo]

I have just taken a look on Streetview at the junction of Fox and Bute streets today and howled like a beast at what I could see on the screen.

[the golden vision]

Yeah, at least St Mary of the Angels survives, if only as a rehearsal space for the RLPO.

[Cagmag]

[QUOTE=the golden vision;98727138]The houses on the photo date from about 1820-1830. Rose Place was certainly in existence by 1820 and would've consisted mainly of 'court housing' which would've been cleared by the 1930's. It's probable that the property in the photo was part of a court,the entrance being out of shot. More on this type of dwelling:
http://liverpoolhistorysocietyquesti...dwellings.html



Thanks for the information, an interesting read about the courts, a grim way of life for sure, it:s probably the reason why my G grandad took my Grandad down to London as a baby to escape the poverty and hardship? i should imagine it was still a struggle in London.
It seem;s there was a lot of these courts in Liverpool, what was the reason behind this type of planning why courts instead of streets,what was behind these walls at the bottom of the courts?
You said they were cleared in the 1930,s i suppose they had to go, but the trouble with a lot of these slum clearance programs they chuck the baby out with the bath water! what i saw happen to the old houses in East London in the 1960s was outrages, they bulldozed everything insight they had no regard for the history of the houses or people protesting, they pulled so many houses down that people were homeless because they did not have anywhere to put them. i watched the tower blocks being built it seemed like hundereds of them a lot of the old girls i knew did not want to go and live in them, a lot of people thought it was political they said the government was trying to destroy the close knit communities of the East End.
I have the read the book the lost tribe of Everton and it seems like Liverpool went through a similar thing in the 1960s.
People say to me it,s progress you cant live in the past true i suppose but i think they could have put more thought into it? still that,s my opinion, i have always believed in conservation even when i was kid long before it was fashionable i think its something that is part of me.
I saw the thread about the last remaining court in Liverpool, what a jewel great news , i would love to see the inside when they open up the brick doorway, great stuff.
Cag

[the golden vision]

[QUOTE=Cagmag;98737121]

Originally Posted by the golden vision

The houses on the photo date from about 1820-1830. Rose Place was certainly in existence by 1820 and would've consisted mainly of 'court housing' which would've been cleared by the 1930's. It's probable that the property in the photo was part of a court,the entrance being out of shot. More on this type of dwelling:
http://liverpoolhistorysocietyquesti...dwellings.html



Thanks for the information, an interesting read about the courts, a grim way of life for sure, it:s probably the reason why my G grandad took my Grandad down to London as a baby to escape the poverty and hardship? i should imagine it was still a struggle in London.
It seem;s there was a lot of these courts in Liverpool, what was the reason behind this type of planning why courts instead of streets,what was behind these walls at the bottom of the courts?
You said they were cleared in the 1930,s i suppose they had to go, but the trouble with a lot of these slum clearance programs they chuck the baby out with the bath water! what i saw happen to the old houses in East London in the 1960s was outrages, they bulldozed everything insight they had no regard for the history of the houses or people protesting, they pulled so many houses down that people were homeless because they did not have anywhere to put them. i watched the tower blocks being built it seemed like hundereds of them a lot of the old girls i knew did not want to go and live in them, a lot of people thought it was political they said the government was trying to destroy the close knit communities of the East End.
I have the read the book the lost tribe of Everton and it seems like Liverpool went through a similar thing in the 1960s.
People say to me it,s progress you cant live in the past true i suppose but i think they could have put more thought into it? still that,s my opinion, i have always believed in conservation even when i was kid long before it was fashionable i think its something that is part of me.
I saw the thread about the last remaining court in Liverpool, what a jewel great news , i would love to see the inside when they open up the brick doorway, great stuff.
Cag

The design of the court was to make access to the outdoor water supply and privy easier. The houses were arranged in groups of three or facing each other with another closing it off at one end, the water and privy being in the courtyard.
I don't think anyone would disagree with the mass slum clearances that took place around the country in the 1930's, millions were living in sub-human conditions and those houses had to go. The 1960's however is a different matter, lots of fine Victorian houses went along with tightly-knit communities, and as you say many people tried to resist it, but were forced out.

Incidentally, I know the eastend quite well(up until about 1995 anyway) I lived there for several years. I think the Eastender and Scouser are similar in many ways, probably something to do with them having a shared history of seafaring and casual waterfront labour. They both have certain joie de vivre
There are some great pub names in the eastend; the Flying Scud, Hackney Rd, the Jackdaw and Stump, Homerton High St, and the best one, the Bacchus, Hoxton, yes, Bacchanlian is very apt.
Good luck with your search.