LONDON - Olympic Stadium (79,999)

[Jim856796]

A large-capacity stadium with an athletics track for a major city, especially if it wants to host a Summer Olympics = Trouble.

[RMB2007]

West Ham will consider safe standing areas in their Olympic Stadium plans

West Ham co-owner David Gold has told fans he is ready to explore the possibility of incorporating a 'safe standing' area at the Olympic Stadium.

The Hammers were this week chosen as the preferred bidder for the site in Stratford which hosted the Games in such spectacular style through the summer.

To a question posed by Twitter user @Jamie_Seagrave, asking if safe standing could be used, Gold responded: 'I do hope so.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/foo...c-Stadium.html

[REVUpminster]

No politician will sanction safe standing in this country. It already happens where most away fans sit ie arsenal, west ham etc. At Arsenal the only time i got a sit down was at half time. The Millenium was another where standing was tne norm and it is so steep in the upper tiers it was dangerous. At Orient the modern west stand is very steep and has no hand rails. My pensioner friend went to the top and could not get down without help from the stewards.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by REVUpminster

No politician will sanction safe standing in this country. It already happens where most away fans sit ie arsenal, west ham etc. At Arsenal the only time i got a sit down was at half time. The Millenium was another where standing was tne norm and it is so steep in the upper tiers it was dangerous. At Orient the modern west stand is very steep and has no hand rails. My pensioner friend went to the top and could not get down without help from the stewards.

Precisely why properly designed standing areas would be much safer.

As you say, standing on steep tiers when there is nothing but a seat back at shin height in front of you is potentially very dangerous.

But with the German model of adaptable seating which can easily convert into terracing, there are barriers on every row. No danger of falling.

However, I still think it highly unlikely that the politicians will ever allow standing areas again. Not because of safety. That's not the priority, sadly. It's all about the police having an easier job keeping a CCTV eye on the crowd.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by Gavrosh

yes the 41% figure is on the incremental spending and over the 30 year period I was putting it in. after that of course it's pure profit for the taxpayer of 4.5 million per year. look at it another way, the total spending on the stadium would be 580 million, and west ham over the course of th lease pay a net yearly figure of 4.5 million plus upfront money of (lets assume) 15 million. so that's 460 million on a 580 million input, which along with other revenues ensures that the stadium should at least break even. without west hams input it never will.

But the point is that the public purse would be in "pure profit" territory far earlier if it wasn't raided for a wholly unnecessary extra £150 million.

[RMB2007]

Well, we already have loads of dedicated standing areas in many new and old stadiums here in UK. Those standing areas are safe, whilst many of them are monitored by CCTV like seated areas are. The rule that prevents the teams in the EPL from having standing areas is just utter nonsense, especially when thousands of fans happily and safely stand at matches in other leagues.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by RMB2007

Well, we already have loads of dedicated standing areas in many new and old stadiums here in UK. Those standing areas are safe, whilst many of them are monitored by CCTV like seated areas are. The rule that prevents the teams in the EPL from having standing areas is just utter nonsense, especially when thousands of fans happily and safely stand at matches in other leagues.

Indeed.

I think it's the far bigger numbers of fans involved in the Premier League that the police find intimidating.

[Mr_Andersonn]

Originally Posted by JimB

Precisely why properly designed standing areas would be much safer.

As you say, standing on steep tiers when there is nothing but a seat back at shin height in front of you is potentially very dangerous.

But with the German model of adaptable seating which can easily convert into terracing, there are barriers on every row. No danger of falling.

However, I still think it highly unlikely that the politicians will ever allow standing areas again. Not because of safety. That's not the priority, sadly. It's all about the police having an easier job keeping a CCTV eye on the crowd.

Surely you would just be allocated the space where the seat is. Or is that not how the allocated standing areas work?

[Gavrosh]

Originally Posted by JimB

But the point is that the public purse would be in "pure profit" territory far earlier if it wasn't raided for a wholly unnecessary extra £150 million.

would it though? the running costs arrest supposed to be 2 million pa. that 4.5 mil figure I quite was net. so a non football solution might cover running costs, but would never return the initial stadium expenditure. west hams tenancy will pay for the extra costs over time and then pay back at least some way on the stadium. with all additional revenues we could even be talking about an overall profit, albeit over time of course.

[RMB2007]

Originally Posted by Mr_Andersonn

Surely you would just be allocated the space where the seat is. Or is that not how the allocated standing areas work?

With the rail seats you do indeed have an allocated area:

[REVUpminster]

I think some are missing what the income is for. It is to maintain not only the stadium but the whole parkland. I am not sure who all the rate income from the housing will go to. If Newham they will have to provide schools etc. I think the office area of Canary Wharf has never been adopted by Tower Hamlets so recieve no rate income. Has Westfield come into Newham yet? They would be the richest borough in East London

[Gavrosh]

much as we all have sympathy for the families of the Hillsborough victims, I find it perverse that their opinion appears to hold significant sway with the political establishment, despite safe standing being proven and clearly safer than standing in seating areas as happens in every stadium.

[breuer]

does anyone have any better plan of changing or locker rooms at the olympic stadium, in pdf or dwg maybe. tnx

[RMB2007]

Originally Posted by breuer

does anyone have any better plan of changing or locker rooms at the olympic stadium, in pdf or dwg maybe. tnx

Certainly not short of these:





http://planningforms.newham.gov.uk/o...PLAN-63028.pdf

[breuer]

Thanks a lot

[Mr_Andersonn]

Originally Posted by RMB2007

With the rail seats you do indeed have an allocated area:

I thought as much. This looks pretty safe to me and i dont see an issue with cctv.

Why could and should this not be adopted in this country?

[Mr_Andersonn]

Green light for retractable seating


Filed: Wednesday, 12th December 2012
By: Staff Writer


The Olympic Stadium will feature four stands of retractable seating around the pitch - should West Ham United agree to move to Stratford.

Fans attending an emergency Supporters' Advisory Board meeting at the Boleyn Ground this evening were shown the first ever artists' impression of how the new stadium will look.

And KUMB.com can reveal that this will include fully retractable seating that brings all four stands in the lower tier - which will replace the existing banks of seats - to within a few metres of the playing area.

The new images, which are set to be released to the public in the new year indicated how the new roof, that will cover the entire seating area, will look. Those present at the three-hour meeting were also shown detailed plans of how the rest of the stadium would take shape following its £200million refit.

Unfortunately we are unable to bring you any further details of the stadium or the Club's plans as all members of the SAB were asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) upon entering the meeting room.

However a show of hands requested by co-Chairman David Gold - who gave a short yet passionate speech backing the move - indicated that the vast majority of fans present appeared to support the club's plans for the Olympic Stadium.

Karren Brady, who chaired the meeting also confirmed that a supporters' poll would take place within the next few weeks - although details of exactly what that will entail remain unconfirmed at present.

Former Hammer Tony Cottee also appeared briefly to back the Club's plans.

Read more at http://kumb.com/story.php?id=126606#t5ElzQwHTLY8ra0G.99

[RMB2007]

Originally Posted by Mr_Andersonn

Green light for retractable seating


Filed: Wednesday, 12th December 2012
By: Staff Writer


The Olympic Stadium will feature four stands of retractable seating around the pitch - should West Ham United agree to move to Stratford.

Fans attending an emergency Supporters' Advisory Board meeting at the Boleyn Ground this evening were shown the first ever artists' impression of how the new stadium will look.

And KUMB.com can reveal that this will include fully retractable seating that brings all four stands in the lower tier - which will replace the existing banks of seats - to within a few metres of the playing area.

The new images, which are set to be released to the public in the new year indicated how the new roof, that will cover the entire seating area, will look. Those present at the three-hour meeting were also shown detailed plans of how the rest of the stadium would take shape following its £200million refit.

Unfortunately we are unable to bring you any further details of the stadium or the Club's plans as all members of the SAB were asked to sign a non-disclosure agreement (NDA) upon entering the meeting room.

However a show of hands requested by co-Chairman David Gold - who gave a short yet passionate speech backing the move - indicated that the vast majority of fans present appeared to support the club's plans for the Olympic Stadium.

Karren Brady, who chaired the meeting also confirmed that a supporters' poll would take place within the next few weeks - although details of exactly what that will entail remain unconfirmed at present.

Former Hammer Tony Cottee also appeared briefly to back the Club's plans.

Read more at http://kumb.com/story.php?id=126606#t5ElzQwHTLY8ra0G.99

Really interested to see what 'a few metres' is in reality, or whether those words have been carefully chosen to make it sound better than it actually is.

[Gavrosh]

The rumour is 9 metres, which isnt bad by modern standards and in line with FIFA regulations 8.5-10 metres.

[RMB2007]

Behind the goal ends, 9 metres would be even better than a number of the recent stadiums built in the UK:



Fingers crossed that rumour turns out to be true.