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[saiho]

Originally Posted by trainrover

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Originally Posted by trainrover

Diesel electric rail service to an airport tells me that the city mustn't take transit seriously, which is how come I doubt the construction of LRT there not be real.

actually its only ~25km of LRT all which belongs to the Eglinton Crosstown it broke ground in 2011 and TBMs will start tunnelling this year.

Originally Posted by ssiguy2

I don't know how you could say I'm the only person making a big deal about running diesel trains. City councillors don't want them and nor does anyone living even remotely close to the line. Remember this will be the ONLY rail service to an airport on this planet that will run diesel trains.

Metrolinx say they want to electrify the line "at some point" which in Toronto means within this millenium. Also even if the electrify the line it is still just a line for tax right-offs.

This line will not offer anymore transit service to Torontonians than the Maid of the Mist does to the people of Niagara.

City councillors don't understand how long it takes to design an electrification system even if its what engineers call custom off the shelf (COTS) technology. The line has to be done by 2015 and they are still in the pre-planning phase. Also GO is a growing system once the ARL is electrified i don't think it will just stagnate like the AMT Deux-Montagnes line.

[trainrover]

Stagnate? Just what makes you think that that Canadia/en term be Quebec, since, after all, neither deux nor montagne -- let alone mountain-- had appeared anywhere in this here thread? Should your accusatory stance be indeed compulsive, then do/get it right, e.g., I must be the first to be informing you of la Jonction de l'Est, never mind the equivalently double-stacking of its very rakes . . .

You see, it's exactly this imprecisely and overly infrequent cdn-anglofilic snippiness of this, e.g., member's, that induces me to lean toward separatism :overly-fed-up:

[saiho]

Originally Posted by trainrover

Stagnate? Just what makes you think that that Canadia/en term be Quebec, since, after all, neither deux nor montagne -- let alone mountain-- had appeared anywhere in this here thread? Should your accusatory stance be indeed compulsive, then do/get it right, e.g., I must be the first to be informing you of la Jonction de l'Est, never mind the equivalently double-stacking of its very rakes . . .

You see, it's exactly this imprecisely and overly infrequent cdn-anglofilic snippiness of this, e.g., member's, that induces me to lean toward separatism :overly-fed-up:

Whoa, I meant stagnate in the field of electrification, AMT has improved its service like GO transit but they haven't really expanded their electric traction capabilities. My point is that the electrified ARL will look as lonely as the deux-montagne if GO didn't follow though with more electrification.

[trainrover]

Whoa deflected right back atcha, you're wrong, coz the 2 mtns line underwent a major retrofit to its power & traction ... funny your making nothing outta the conversion from 2700DC to 25000AC + all its consequential benefits...

[saiho]

OK i didn't know about AMT's vision 2020 electrification plan. so AMT is not stagnating. But on the contrary still proves my point earlier, with a small stretch of electrification such as future ARL or deux montagnes and the future prospect ridership growth will provide the impetus to expand the electrified network. There is a good chance GO will follow though with the electrification of the Georgetown and both Lakeshore lines in the midterm.

Originally Posted by trainrover

Whoa deflected right back atcha, you're wrong, coz the 2 mtns line underwent a major retrofit to its power & traction ... funny your making nothing outta the conversion from 2700DC to 25000AC + all its consequential benefits...

ironically, compared to vision 2020 is not a big deal at all. The shanghai metro line 1 converted from DC to AC and the entire London subsurface network will run from the awk. 630V to the more normal 750V. No one is doing flips over that.

[trainrover]

Good chance? around Can-o'-duh? You're a muddled person ... the AMT flipped the switch to its voltage yestermillenium.

You see, Canadia/ens oughtta first become accustomed to scoring truth prior to taking to the practise of stretching it

[saiho]

Originally Posted by trainrover

Good chance? around Can-o'-duh? You're a muddled person ... the AMT flipped the switch to its voltage yestermillenium.

Ironic that a person who claims that Canadians stretch the truth is making a big deal out of a voltage change which happened almost 20 years ago, that I am also fully aware of. Regardless of the time it was converted my response is still valid; a change in volts and current type is not a big deal, not in the 90's not today. The correct idea is that the Deux-Montagnes Line had a complete overhaul in infrastructure. Not some measly voltage change.

Originally Posted by trainrover

You see, Canadia/ens oughtta first become accustomed to scoring truth prior to taking to the practise of stretching it

Well I do admit I am an optimist these days. The past 10-20 years of Toronto's transit has been a stagnating mess and Canada is possibly the worst developed country when it comes to railway based transit. I too back then had a pessimistic view on Toronto transit but you know what things are starting to look up... in terms of intra city mass transit. There is no embellishing of facts. Firstly there is no facts stated just qualitative observations and speculation. Note the use of "Good Chance" instead of say "definitely", "will", "certainly", or "promised". I am well aware that many projects get lost and hopes dashed in Toronto and that this is no exception. I am just merely saying that GO is working on designing the electrification system and moving forward with it. As this time the EA is done and they moved on to pre-planning. Still plenty of opportunities for the project to get axed and/or denied of funding, whatever floats your boat.

[trainrover]

Originally Posted by trainrover

Stagnate?

It wasn't all that long ago that 2-mtns trains had cowboy trains for its stock ... kiddo, once somebody cocks up at making statements, it often turns out my abandoning the remaining 4/5 of what s/he bothered to attempt relating ...

[Innsertnamehere]

Originally Posted by saiho

actually its only ~25km of LRT all which belongs to the Eglinton Crosstown it broke ground in 2011 and TBMs will start tunnelling this year.

the eglinton crosstown is 19km, but then there is the sheppard east LRT line, (12km) the finch west LRT line (10km) and the SRT conversion and extension. (9km, with 6.3km of it replacing an existing service) That is 50 km, and 44km of new service. plus the 8.6km subway extension.

[saiho]

Originally Posted by Innsertnamehere

the eglinton crosstown is 19km, but then there is the sheppard east LRT line, (12km) the finch west LRT line (10km) and the SRT conversion and extension. (9km, with 6.3km of it replacing an existing service) That is 50 km, and 44km of new service. plus the 8.6km subway extension.

yes, but of all those only the eglinton crosstown and the subway is actually under construction the rest still hasn't broken ground.

[trainrover]

Originally Posted by trainrover

wouldn't be sharing it were it not for Telly + subway yard shots (ending)

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[saiho]

http://torontoist.com/2012/09/spotte...ew-streetcars/

new streetcars have arrived (with pics)

[IanCleverly]

So, um, this video is doing the rounds:-



*Contains LOTS of Swearing*

[IanCleverly]

Originally Posted by Toronto Transit Commission

The Toronto Transit Commission has set a new 12 month ridership record. From October 3, 2011 to October 2, 2012, the TTC carried just over 510 million riders. By the end of this year, the TTC expects to have carried 514 million riders, with a projected ridership of 528 million in 2013.

The TTC has taken steps to add extra service to meet the increase in ridership. In September and October, the TTC increased service on 77 subway, streetcar and bus routes, with approximately 50 of these increases during peak times. More service will be added in the new year to meet ridership demand.

In addition, the new Toronto Rocket subway trains continue to be pressed into service on the Yonge-University-Spadina line, adding an additional 10 per cent passenger capacity. As well, a new signal system is being installed on the line that will allow for more trains and greater frequency of service, further increasing capacity.

In 2014, Toronto’s next generation of streetcars will begin serving TTC customers. The accessible, low-floor streetcars will be more comfortable, spacious and reliable, and equipped with air conditioning and the PRESTO smartcard system.

Continues Here

Originally Posted by Toronto Star

A TTC study on the potential for a new "downtown relief" subway line paints a near-apocalyptic vision of commuting to Toronto’s core by 2031 — if transit officials don’t come up with a relief valve.

The level of overcrowding, with demand up by a projected 50 per cent, will dwarf today’s discomfort on the Yonge subway. Existing plans to increase GO and TTC capacity won’t be enough to stem the overflow of commuters trying to get into the downtown core every day, according to the report that goes before the TTC board on Wednesday.

By then, the population living south of College St. between Bathurst and Parliament will nearly double. Employment is projected to grow 28 per cent, and demand for transit downtown will jump to 236,000 trips in the morning peak, from 155,000 now.

“The most serious capacity issues are related to long- and medium-distance trips from the east and north", says the Downtown Rapid Transit Expansion Study. Crowding on the Yonge-University-Spadina subway line, which carries about 30,000 people an hour in the morning rush, will be further exacerbated by riders boarding at new stations on the Spadina subway extension into York Region, set to open in 2016.

A second phase of the study will look at what route and stations the relief line would use. But maps in the report suggest a DRL running south from Pape, west along King St. to St. Andrew Station. A second phase would continue west to about Roncesvalles and head north connecting to the Bloor subway. The first phase would cost about $3.2 billion, the western extension, an additional $3 billion.

News story taken from Here

[Innsertnamehere]

some of the first documents released in the DRL feasibility study, showing ridership.







and the PDF which includes much more information:

http://www.ttc.ca/About_the_TTC/Comm...apid_Trans.pdf

[trainrover]

Odd that no diagram captures the Queen tunnel.

[Gil]

Originally Posted by trainrover

Odd that no diagram captures the Queen tunnel.

They haven't completely decided on a routing through downtown and simply chose King in order to do their modelling.

There are a few factors leading to something more southerly like King vs. Queen. A lot of development both residential and commercial is occuring at the south end of downtown (south of Front St.). In order to try and capture that ridership the line has to be within easy walking distance. King is two blocks north of Front, with the development occurring at least one to two blocks further south. A line on Queen, about two blocks north would not really attract that traffic.

There are other ideas for the line to use Wellington or even Front (which would complicate the construction now underway at Union Station).

The tunnels left for the original Queen streetcar subway (think Boston's Green Line) are too small, and likely too shallow to be used as a larger line along Queen St. There are underground utilities, passages and garages in the way at that depth.

There is also the issue of disturbing the above street while construction is going on. One concern is St. Michael's hospital which is a major trauma centre downtown whose non-emergency entrance is on Queen. Having the entrance blocked for an extended period of time would be problematic.

Queen does have some high-traffic generators along its route, which are already served by the existing subway stops at Osgoode and Queen like the Eaton Centre, City Hall, Osgoode Hall and the Four Seasons Centre for the Arts. While a King line would cut right through the Financial District (the destination for most transferring southbound at Yonge) it would also serve St. Lawrence (if a stop were placed at Jarvis rather than Sherbourne) and the Distillery District (with a station at Parliment).

Businesses along both streets aren't looking forward to the disruption the project will cause but agree something needs to be done. King St. is currently proposed to go through some massive development changes if approved by City Hall. Those changes would bring additional density to the corridor and if approved would probably include some sort of provision in terms of foundation setbacks to adequately allow a line to run beneath King St. The stations themselves are still up for debate, and if the developers are willing to chip in for their construction, all the more reason for that routing.

[trainrover]

Huffing a further 300m wouldn't kill anybody, overly bunching up the lines would be much. I wonder if the King option is also more for commuters using the Union depot, not much thought for having them change trains at the extremities of the new line seems to be illustrated into the diagrams.

[Jim856796]

About Toronto's proposed Union Station-Pearson Airport railway line, the name "Air Rail Link" was just a placeholder. The official name, "Union Pearson Express", was revealed on 29 November 2012, per this news release.

[Woonsocket54]

photos from urbantoronto. ca user drum118 as of March 15

Source http://urbantoronto.ca/forum/showthr...-Link)/page172:

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