MILANO | Public Transport

[GENIUS LOCI]

Saronno Sud new underground train station for S9 service

Originally Posted by friedrichstrasse

Foto della nuova stazione sotterranea di Saronno Sud, sulla S9 attivata ieri.



Ecco una pianta presa dal forum Ferrovie On Line, i nuovi binari sotterranei (in curva) sottopassano la linea Milano-Saronno.

[GENIUS LOCI]

I want to report a very interesting thread of Italian forum about the history of Milan public transport.

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1553988

You can find a lot of very very interesting stuff. Every sort of urban and extra urban tram, maps, metro maps, old metro lines under construction, railways, bus, trolleys, old infrastructures projects, etc.

You could even find out that Milan infrastructures system changed a lot during the decades and centuries, building and dismantling whole tram web and railways web.

I want to post here these two drawns showing Loreto interchange between M1 and M2 metro lines directly from that thread

Originally Posted by Picard66

Giusto per ricordare di cosa si stesse parlando...





L'allargamento fu fatto solo nel tratto a sud, per cui l'effetto "salmone" non fu eliminato del tutto...

I think it's very interesting because the second pic shows a junction between the two lines. To allow M2 trains which needed manteinance to reach Precotto M1 depot (in the first phase just inner M2 stretches were open, while the depots were forecasted out of the city in Gorgonzola and Cologno branches)

Now it is rarely used, I think, over all to allow special convoys for line manteinance to change metro line in case of need

[friedrichstrasse]

On the other side of the Caiazzo station there's a similar junction to line M3 at Repubblica station.

But the metro network doesn't have a connection with the national railway network anymore.
Until the 1990s there was a long siding track from Sesto San Giovanni railway station to Precotto metro depot.

[MK Tom]

Sorry for the rubbish picture quality, it's from a visit to Milan I made in May, but I'd love to see an updated for extensions and high quality version of this map if possible:



And also the equally crazy one for Turin with which it made an interesting comparison:



Just for fun, the inside of Centrale:



...and the other kind of public transport in Milan, my plane home at Malpensa...

[GENIUS LOCI]

Originally Posted by friedrichstrasse

On the other side of the Caiazzo station there's a similar junction to line M3 at Repubblica station.

This one

Originally Posted by Picard66

Da una pubblicazione ATM del 1989
Raccordo M2-M3

But the metro network doesn't have a connection with the national railway network anymore.
Until the 1990s there was a long siding track from Sesto San Giovanni railway station to Precotto metro depot.

As shown in this maps

Originally Posted by Picard66

Dalla CTC 1965
Raccordo fra deposito Precotto M1 e Ferrovia
(purtoppo incompleto. I binari proseguivano verso est lungo Via Edison e curvavano, presumibilmente lungo l'attuale Montanari, per immettersi nello scalo di Sesto San Giovanni a nord di Via Mazzini.

[friedrichstrasse]

Originally Posted by MK Tom

Sorry for the rubbish picture quality, it's from a visit to Milan I made in May, but I'd love to see an updated for extensions and high quality version of this map if possible:



And also the equally crazy one for Turin with which it made an interesting comparison:

You can find the map of Turin here (pdf), from this page.

But you can't find the map of Milan on-line

[friedrichstrasse]

Cassina de' Pecchi, built in 1968 as a bridge-station over the Naviglio Martesana.

[NAMBA]

Originally Posted by friedrichstrasse

Cassina de' Pecchi, built in 1968 as a bridge-station over the Naviglio Martesana.

OH my God, it should undergo heavy restoration

[mr205063]

Here the Milan's map (unofficial)

http://www.msrmilano.com/images/Schema_rete_dic2012.pdf

[friedrichstrasse]

Originally Posted by mr205063

Here the Milan's map (unofficial)

http://www.msrmilano.com/images/Schema_rete_dic2012.pdf

But he was looking for the surface network map.
You can find it only for the central district
Here and here.

[Eletrix]

Originally Posted by Apteryx

You're probably right, that's why I did this amazing () map with the lines separated for service.
With this representation, similar to the one of Munich posted above, Milan will have soon 7 metro lines (plus 10/11 suburban lines), not bad

click to enlarge.

very interesting solution

[city_thing]

Didn't Milan have many canals years ago, before they were filled in? Does that make metro construction hard in the city considering underground water?

I've been trying to find a map of Milan's old canals but I can't find one anywhere.

[friedrichstrasse]

Yes, the Navigli, you can find a map here.

And here a lot of old maps of Milan.

[Picard66]

Waterways of Milan
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=563347

Old maps of Milan
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=582240

[pccvspw999]

Originally Posted by city_thing

... Does that make metro construction hard in the city considering underground water?

Definitely! Non properly because of the canals, but due the relatively high ground water. Line 1 (red) was build almost easily from surface with "cut&cover" methods and less water presence, but almost with line 3 (yellow) it was necessary to freeze the soil during construction and to make it waterproof.

Do to the fact that the groundwater level is steadily rising since 40 years, also line 2 (green) has now troubles: it was not projected to be waterproof, because the level was very deep, and now it has "wet feets". Improvements in this matter are damned expensive, but have to be done and will be done.

Anyway water is not a big problem: it's predictable and building manners are sufficiently evolved to get rid of the problem. But I'm not sure what will happen with aging of the construction: I hope that PVC will last really hundreds of year before it crumbles

[city_thing]

Fantastic! Thanks for the links, it looks like Milan really did have a huge canal network (which reminds me a bit of Manchester or Birmingham). Why were they filled in? I imagine Milan would be a different city if they still existed.

[friedrichstrasse]

Water transport of goods was substituted by rail and road transport.

The canals ran around the city centre, so on their route they built a ring road with high-rise buildings.

And anyway the air was quite unhealthy because of the water.

[Sunfuns]

Originally Posted by friedrichstrasse

And anyway the air was quite unhealthy because of the water.

I bet it was in those days, but now it would be pretty and a tourist draw

[Suburbanist]

Even today Milan(o) (and most of the Pianura Padana) have serious problems with mostquitoes on spring and summer. God forbids having a lot of stagnant bodies of water there, it would be even more sticky and full of annoying insects ROFL.

[GENIUS LOCI]

Originally Posted by Sunfuns

I bet it was in those days, but now it would be pretty and a tourist draw

Since about 30 years or so there is a debate on open again the so called 'cerchia interna', the canal which is now covered by a ring road.

Almost everyone is in favour to 'rebuild' part of the historical navigli, but it will be too expensive and it always remained a dream

About three years ago a group of students in Architecture at Milan's Politecnico University worked out a very interesting project which could be more sustainable, economically speaking

Current Milan administration is evaluating how to make this project real; we'll see

http://www.scribd.com/doc/52241934/M...nano-i-navigli