New Administrative Divisions (Regions, Provinces, Cities, etc.)

[zoroethgenre_003]

Originally Posted by achernar

this...


also dadami na din ang SK... the breeding ground of corruption.

Provisions of the law can just provide solution and will prevent this from happening. Its all in the crafting of the law.

[achernar]

Originally Posted by zoroethgenre_003

Then if the problem are on the IRA appropriation and other matters enumerated above, i can see that your objection are not really on the concepts but you are just worried on the possible effects. Maybe the reform should just focus on the possible problem that it will generate. Maybe it calls for the review of the provisions of the law governing it so it will provide solution to these foreseeable problems. I for one is in agreement that such are really existing but we do not need to burn the entire house just to kill a mouse inside.

The idea of having more than 100 provinces would probably work well in other countries, especially those with emerged and emerging economies... but not in the Philippines, today the significance of creating new provinces is not really for the welfare of the people but a new turf to reign on by power-hungry politicians and that is the awful truth.

I am not in total opposition of creating new provinces, as what I have said there should be a more strict criteria and only those who are already well-prepared and deserving should be converted into provinces especially income-wise, population-wise and land area.

[achernar]

Originally Posted by zoroethgenre_003

Provisions of the law can just provide solution and will prevent this from happening. Its all in the crafting of the law.

c'mon, do you honestly believe that provisions here would be always followed or respected? This is the Philippines you know, the Philippines... a place where laws are defied and the rules are always bent.

sa palakasan lang yan...

[hakz2007]

Originally Posted by achernar

if that's how you put it, the same idea can be applied to Negros Occidental and Leyte, wherein parts of those province speak Hiligaynon and Waray respectively, while other parts speak Cebuano.

I say population, land area and income should be taken into consideration above all.

Culture and demographics can evolve from time to time and inevitably kada probinsya meron naring differences in the future within their boundaries, if that holds, eh baka lahat ng mga districts dito sa Pinas gusto nang humiwalay sa kani-kanilang probinsya... that would be absurd. Magiging more than 100 na ang provinces dito sa Pilipinas?

while still early, I push for a more strict criteria of creating new provinces. Gagamitin lang niyan ng mga politiko lalung-lalo na yung mga term-limited para mag-cling to power.. just like sa CamSur.

All provinces will be affected if new provinces are created

The newly-created province will have its own IRA taken from all remaining provinces of the Philippines.

[zoroethgenre_003]

Originally Posted by achernar

c'mon, do you honestly believe that provisions here would be always followed or respected? This is the Philippines you know, the Philippines... a place where laws are defied and the rules are always bent.

sa palakasan lang yan...

We need to have faith on the law and let us work to attain a stronger government that implement those laws firmly. If we see law as like that, it might just be a good idea to abrogate the government governed by laws and resort to anarchy. Our country was intended to become a government of laws, not of men. We need to work to achieve that.

[zoroethgenre_003]

Originally Posted by achernar

The idea of having more than 100 provinces would probably work well in other countries, especially those with emerged and emerging economies... but not in the Philippines, today the significance of creating new provinces is not really for the welfare of the people but a new turf to reign on by power-hungry politicians and that is the awful truth.

I am not in total opposition of creating new provinces, as what I have said there should be a more strict criteria and only those who are already well-prepared and deserving should be converted into provinces especially income-wise, population-wise and land area.

If the circumstances calls for creating more than provinces as long as it will yield to a more effective governance, I will never opposed that neither will I oppose your idea on creating a more strict criteria of creating new provinces as long as it will not just consider the area, income and population requirement but include other factors deemed necessary for the creation.

[achernar]

Originally Posted by zoroethgenre_003

We need to have faith on the law and let us work to attain a stronger government that implement those laws firmly. If we see law as like that, it might just be a good idea to abrogate the government governed by laws and resort to anarchy. Our country was intended to become a government of laws, not of men. We need to work to achieve that.

...easier said than done...

tell that to the politicians and the voting public...

we obviously know how things work within our country: it's not what you know but it's who you know... it's all about the connections...

[achernar]

Originally Posted by zoroethgenre_003

If the circumstances calls for creating more than provinces as long as it will yield to a more effective governance, I will never opposed that neither will I oppose your idea on creating a more strict criteria of creating new provinces as long as it will not just consider the area, income and population requirement but include other factors deemed necessary for the creation.

then what other factors do you deem necessary then? culture? again, culture and demographics are not constant, they change from time to time... and every square inch in this country is vulnerable to that... what happens if, when 10 years from now, 50 congressional districts from different provinces will want to be a separate province because they are culturally different from the rest, should we allow it? creation of new provinces can even result to regionalistic prejudice.

[achernar]

anyway, going back to regular programming...

here's an editorial about the delay in the Cabanatuan plebiscite:

Delay in Cabanatuan HUC plebiscite blamed on Nueva Ecija governor

Philippine Daily Inquirer
9:52 pm | Sunday, December 9th, 2012

http://opinion.inquirer.net/42417/de...ecija-governor

Indeed, through legal machinations, Nueva Ecija Gov. Aurelio Umali has succeeded in blocking, nay, delaying, the implementation of the measure that will convert Cabanatuan City into a highly urbanized city (HUC) and make it more progressive.
Cabanatuan is a 62-year-old component city of Nueva Ecija. With a total population of 259,267 in 2007 and an annual income of P734.73 million in 2010, the city is more than qualified to be an HUC. Governor Umali, however, strongly opposes the move to convert Cabanatuan into an HUC, saying that the city is not yet ready to stand on its own and that the city government still needs the support of the provincial government.
On July 4, 2012, President Aquino proclaimed Cabanatuan an HUC, stating that “it is the declared policy of the government to support local government’s initiative to attain their fullest development and make them effective partners in the attainment of national goals.” The proclamation, which shall take effect only upon its ratification in a plebiscite by qualified voters, was favorably endorsed by noted political figures like Vice President Jojo Binay, Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile, Senators Chiz Escudero, Antonio Trillanes and Bong Revilla, Manila Mayor Alfredo Lim, and former Sen. Nene Pimentel.
Pursuant to the proclamation, the Commission on Elections (Comelec) scheduled the required plebiscite on Dec. 1 this year. But due to, among other reasons, a temporary restraining order (TRO) issued by a regional trial court and a petition for “Certiorari and Prohibition” filed in the Supreme Court by HUC opposers led by Governor Umali, the plebiscite was postponed and reset to an unspecified date after next year’s May 13 elections. The postponement was promulgated on Nov. 27, or four days before the scheduled plebiscite.
The abrupt postponement of the Dec. 1, 2012, plebiscite by the Comelec was denounced and repudiated by a dismayed city official, saying that the city government had already prepared and spent for the political exercise. President Aquino, on his part, had declared Dec. 1, 2012, as a nonworking holiday for Cabanatuan City to allow its registered voters to actively participate in the plebiscite. The President had also deputized law enforcement agencies to ensure the peaceful and honest conduct of the referendum. In fine, the city’s and national government’s efforts and expenses in the preparation for and for the holding of the plebiscite went to waste.
The postponement was pure and simple a travesty of justice for Cabanatuan City and it drew the ire of its citizenry, Cabanatuan City Mayor Jay Vergara said. Vergara expressed hope that this would not happen to other qualified local government units similarly aspiring to become an HUC in order to be more progressive. Let not the tyranny of power hold sway again.—GERTRUDEZ M. DULLE, former punong barangay, MS Garcia, Cabanatuan City

[librero]

Another politically orchestrated move to block Cabanatuan's HUC-hood...

[alheaine]

that is selfishness.. shame on their gov!!

[RepublicaNegrense]

Originally Posted by achernar

dapat talaga may redistricting every 10 years based on the census kagaya nung sa USA... may mga districts dito sa Pilipinas na more 700,000 ang population... while there are others like the provinces Batanes, Dinagat Islands, Siquijor, Biliran, Camiguin na merong representatives pero hindi man lang umabot sa 200,000 ang population.

hapat din higpitan ang criteria sa paggawa ng mga bagong probinsya, dapat at least 500,000... masyadong unfair naman yata sa ibang districts yang mga napakamaliit na probinsya pero may representatives just like Batanes which only has 14,000 people.

I think Batanes' province-hood is historical as it was a province during since the Spanish-era, much like Vigan being re-elevated to cityhood, and also at the same time, symbolic since our friendly neighbor north, Taiwan, has a dormant claim to Batanes.

[Sleepwalker]

Originally Posted by RepublicaNegrense

I think Batanes' province-hood is historical as it was a province during since the Spanish-era, much like Vigan being re-elevated to cityhood, and also at the same time, symbolic since our friendly neighbor north, Taiwan, has a dormant claim to Batanes.

Dapat ang Taiwan ang i-claim natin...Hindi sila yong mag-claim sa Batanes.

[pangyao™]

Originally Posted by librero

So at least, 9 representatitives na dapat ang Batangas...

Ngaun ko lang na-realize, ang Lipa City pala at Batangas City ay hindi pa mga Lone District even though they should already be one...

Ang Angeles city din naman kahit HUC na hindi pa din siya lone district.

Originally Posted by othanhinagpis

I agree.

Kailangan maging ready muna ang isang bayan bago maging Lungsod, hindi porke't na-meet na ang requirement dapat na I-push for cityhood. Kaya ang ilang mga Lungsod ay 2nd class, 3rd or even 4th class city because, hindi sila financially ready, or hindi pa sapat 'yung income nila para maging Lungsod.

Consider Cabuyao City, from a First Class Municipality into a First Class City. since 2002, qualified na ang Cabuyao para maging City, population nya before ay 102,00+ at ang income ay 300M+. Pero this year lang sya nag-push for cityhood after ten years. Kung naging City na sya nung 2002, hindi nya sana ma-ke-credit ang pagiging Richest Municipality of the Philippines.

Same din sa Kalibo in Aklan, The only town with International Airport in the Philippines.

Kaya kami dito sa Aklan, ang dalawang bayan dito (Malay at Kalibo) parehas na over 100million ang income ay marami pang mararating of being a municipality kasi hindi qualified ang land area at population for cityhood. Hehe

[achernar]

diba either lang ang land area or population ang kelangan together with income para maging syudad? not really both?

[librero]

Income and either population OR land area po...

[librero]

Originally Posted by pangyao™

Ang Angeles City din naman kahit HUC na hindi pa din siya lone district.

Yup... I don't mean naman po na pag HUC ka ay lone district ka na...

Nabanggit ko lang na ngayon ko lang na-realize na pwede na palang magkaroon ng lone district ang Lipa City at Batangas City...

Pero oo nga po no, pwede nang maging lone district ang Angeles...

[freightrunner]

Originally Posted by Sleepwalker

Dapat ang Taiwan ang i-claim natin...Hindi sila yong mag-claim sa Batanes.

...And pull the rug under china's feet? I'm on board. That's like hitting two birds with one stone.

[Igsuonnimo]

Originally Posted by zoroethgenre_003

Pero di lang din naman Population at Income ang basehan sa pag-separate ng isang Probinsya. Isa din ang kultura at tradition. Halimbawa sa isang area may dalawang grupo ng ta na may ibat-ibang kultura at tradition, iba din ang pananalita, di siguro nararapat na gawin silang iisa. A community should be governed according to their own culture. Kaya nga may insurgency sa Muslim Mindanao at sa Cordillera dati dahil sa hindi isinaalang-alang ang kultura sa governance.

sana maisama at maituro rin sa usapan ng history ng provinces of the philippines ang maranaw(r.a. 6406) at itong shariff kabunsuan.
kung maaari nga lang na pagtuunan din ng pansin ang mga filipino sa sabah, kung bakit sila napunta dun at iba pang mga filipino saan mang lupalop ng mundo(global pinoy)
meron talagang potential o boses ang mga pinoy sa susunod na sampung taon saan man dako ng mundo

[RepublicaNegrense]

Originally Posted by Sleepwalker

Dapat ang Taiwan ang i-claim natin...Hindi sila yong mag-claim sa Batanes.

Originally Posted by freightrunner

...And pull the rug under china's feet? I'm on board. That's like hitting two birds with one stone.

That's like stealing a candy from a spoiled, obese brat in a candy store who claims the candy is his even if he hasn't paid for it yet.