MISC | Philippine Airlines' "New" Airport

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by cartman7110

So the training school you propose won't have direct access to the airport? You mean to say, the school would have to maintain at least two locations, the hangar and the building aka "school" outside the airport premises. Correct?

At which point, i believe the training school should be somewhere else. Not at the Pasay replacement, since it becomes less economical for the school operator to have two sites to maintain.

Your aerotropolis concept is not a concept. Its a fact of life, that communities will either start or is already there as there is commerce and trade that can support or supplement the big infrastructure nearby.

Clark's area is an example. The red light district of Angeles was not designed by the Americans but it came out as a natural progression being that a US airbase is by its proximity.

If PAL airport finally be in Bulacan, there is no need to incorporate the aviation schools because there is existing/dedicated place for them already in nearby Plaridel Airport.

from wiki...
Plaridel Airport (Filipino: Paliparan ng Plaridel) (IATA: PRB, ICAO: RPUX) is an airport serving the general area of Plaridel, located in the province of Bulacan in the Philippines. It is the only airport in Bulacan. It is classified as a community airport by the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines, a body of the Department of Transportation and Communications that is responsible for the operations of not only this airport but also of all other airports in the Philippines except the major international airports. It is the only airport in the Mega Manila area solely dedicated to general aviation and one of the few airports in its designation that has taxiways that extend onto the ends of a runway.

The airport was opened in 1935 and was extensively used during World War II, when it was used as a ground for training fighter pilots.[1] Today, the airport is still used extensively as a training ground for all types of pilots, whether civil, commercial or military. Several aviation schools are found within the immediate vicinity of the airport. In addition, the airport is a popular landing site for amateur pilots and aviation enthusiasts.

The airport is remembered as a historical landmark, one of the few airports in the Philippines with such a designation.[1]

Aviation schools

Plaridel Airport is generally a general aviation airport which boasts of many aviation schools.

[watcher09]

IMO, Clark should be excluded here since it will never be PAL's. Also, the PAL management doesn't like Clark as it is very far from Manila.

[TheJMP617]

It's just a poll.

[watcher09]

It's just an opinion.

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by watcher09

IMO, Clark should be excluded here since it will never be PAL's. Also, the PAL management doesn't like Clark as it is very far from Manila.

It is just an option, should all other locations are not chosen. It's also a poll, so nothing will favor one over another just because users live closer to my site options.

[cartman7110]

Originally Posted by rockyg

If PAL airport finally be in Bulacan, there is no need to incorporate the aviation schools because there is existing/dedicated place for them already in nearby Plaridel Airport.

from wiki...
Plaridel Airport (Filipino: Paliparan ng Plaridel) (IATA: PRB, ICAO: RPUX) is an airport serving the general area of Plaridel, located in the province of Bulacan in the Philippines. It is the only airport in Bulacan. It is classified as a community airport by the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines, a body of the Department of Transportation and Communications that is responsible for the operations of not only this airport but also of all other airports in the Philippines except the major international airports. It is the only airport in the Mega Manila area solely dedicated to general aviation and one of the few airports in its designation that has taxiways that extend onto the ends of a runway.

The airport was opened in 1935 and was extensively used during World War II, when it was used as a ground for training fighter pilots.[1] Today, the airport is still used extensively as a training ground for all types of pilots, whether civil, commercial or military. Several aviation schools are found within the immediate vicinity of the airport. In addition, the airport is a popular landing site for amateur pilots and aviation enthusiasts.

The airport is remembered as a historical landmark, one of the few airports in the Philippines with such a designation.[1]

Aviation schools

Plaridel Airport is generally a general aviation airport which boasts of many aviation schools.

Agreed!

[NTprime]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

It is just an option, should all other locations are not chosen. It's also a poll, so nothing will favor one over another just because users live closer to my site options.

The poll would be more interesting if people took time to explain their reasons as to why they chose a particular location. A sentence or two is OK, but a paragraph would be ideal.

Look at the regular posters in this board - there are no more than 20. But you have over 160 votes in the poll - we have a sizable numble of lurkers. But then again, a lot of people vote in other polls on news websites and not many comment as well.

The difference though is that SSC is a fairly focused community (at least those reading this particular thread), so it would be good if people participated in the discussion. I'm interested in hearing about what the others have to say regarding their location of choice.

[NTprime]

Originally Posted by philippinearena

Bro, yung unang ginawa mong map na tumatawid ang karugtong ng C6 sa Marilao, yun kasi ang talagang nasa PPP map. Kung sta. maria naku baka di ka na makarating sa paroroonan mo sa traffic and tingin ko yun ang hindi magiging makatotohanan na gagawin



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BTW can you or Rockyg point me to a wikimapia or google maps version of C6? or maybe even the NLEX-SLEX connector road project?

Reason I'm interested is I'd like to see what the road distance is so we can narrow the radius of Ang's proposal for the new airport - 15 minutes from Makati would be at most 25 km.

Thanks.

[NTprime]

Originally Posted by rockyg

If PAL airport finally be in Bulacan, there is no need to incorporate the aviation schools because there is existing/dedicated place for them already in nearby Plaridel Airport.

from wiki...
Plaridel Airport (Filipino: Paliparan ng Plaridel) (IATA: PRB, ICAO: RPUX) is an airport serving the general area of Plaridel, located in the province of Bulacan in the Philippines. It is the only airport in Bulacan. It is classified as a community airport by the Civil Aviation Authority of the Philippines, a body of the Department of Transportation and Communications that is responsible for the operations of not only this airport but also of all other airports in the Philippines except the major international airports. It is the only airport in the Mega Manila area solely dedicated to general aviation and one of the few airports in its designation that has taxiways that extend onto the ends of a runway.

The airport was opened in 1935 and was extensively used during World War II, when it was used as a ground for training fighter pilots.[1] Today, the airport is still used extensively as a training ground for all types of pilots, whether civil, commercial or military. Several aviation schools are found within the immediate vicinity of the airport. In addition, the airport is a popular landing site for amateur pilots and aviation enthusiasts.

The airport is remembered as a historical landmark, one of the few airports in the Philippines with such a designation.[1]

Aviation schools

Plaridel Airport is generally a general aviation airport which boasts of many aviation schools.

Originally Posted by cartman7110

Agreed!

Yes, this makes great sense indeed!

[librero]

I would start it then. Aside form personal preference, here are the reason why I believe San Jose del Monte will be close to ideal to be the host of the PAL New Airport:

1. Accessibility. Various transportation facilities will make San Jose del Monte very accessible to passenger either from North or South: MRT 7 and the planned access road from MRT depot in San Jose del Monte to Bocaue (link to NLEX), C6, planned NLEEx. Actually, there was a report that San Jose del Monte will be made the "New Cubao" wherein all Bus terminals in Cubao will be transferred to San Jose del Monte. Ang mangyayari, San Jose del Monte na ang magiging babaan at sakayan ng mga taong bibiyahe mula sa Norte pa-Timog and vice versa. Kung ganito ang mangyayari, ok na ok kasi malapit ang Terminal sa PAL Airport... Hindi na kailangan ng extrang biyahe para marating ang airport.

2. Hindi problema ang baha sa San Jose del Monte. And there is no need to reclaim lands (as is the case of some other possible sites). Ang mejo problem lang ay ang hilly terrain kung saan may posibilidad na mag-cut ng lupa sa ibang mataas na bahagi. Ang sinasabing pagiging mabundok ng San Jose del Monte ay hindi naman ganun kalaking sagabal sapagkat ang easternmost part lang naman ito at hindi pa kataasan ang mga bundok. Nasabi ko na ito before na katulad ito ng airport ng GenSan, kung saan may mga bundok rin namang nakapaligid ngunit naging feasible naman.

[fieldsofdreams]

Originally Posted by NTprime

BTW can you or Rockyg point me to a wikimapia or google maps version of C6? or maybe even the NLEX-SLEX connector road project?

Reason I'm interested is I'd like to see what the road distance is so we can narrow the radius of Ang's proposal for the new airport - 15 minutes from Makati would be at most 25 km.

Thanks.

I think a better proposal would be... Create a buffer zone using a mapping program (e.g. ArcGIS), using Ayala Avenue and Makati Avenue as the center of the 25-kilometer radius, and determine which spots could be a good place to build the airport since if Ramon Ang wants to build an airport within a 15-minute drive from Makati, then we can truly gauge on the reality of what's available in terms of land space.

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by NTprime

BTW can you or Rockyg point me to a wikimapia or google maps version of C6? or maybe even the NLEX-SLEX connector road project?
Reason I'm interested is I'd like to see what the road distance is so we can narrow the radius of Ang's proposal for the new airport - 15 minutes from Makati would be at most 25 km.
Thanks.

overlaying the two map, ang end of project sir ay parang parteng Meycauayan.

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by librero

I would start it then. Aside form personal preference, here are the reason why I believe San Jose del Monte will be close to ideal to be the host of the PAL New Airport:

1. Accessibility. Various transportation facilities will make San Jose del Monte very accessible to passenger either from North or South: MRT 7 and the planned access road from MRT depot in San Jose del Monte to Bocaue (link to NLEX), C6, planned NLEEx. Actually, there was a report that San Jose del Monte will be made the "New Cubao" wherein all Bus terminals in Cubao will be transferred to San Jose del Monte. Ang mangyayari, San Jose del Monte na ang magiging babaan at sakayan ng mga taong bibiyahe mula sa Norte pa-Timog and vice versa. Kung ganito ang mangyayari, ok na ok kasi malapit ang Terminal sa PAL Airport... Hindi na kailangan ng extrang biyahe para marating ang airport.

2. Hindi problema ang baha sa San Jose del Monte. And there is no need to reclaim lands (as is the case of some other possible sites). Ang mejo problem lang ay ang hilly terrain kung saan may posibilidad na mag-cut ng lupa sa ibang mataas na bahagi. Ang sinasabing pagiging mabundok ng San Jose del Monte ay hindi naman ganun kalaking sagabal sapagkat ang easternmost part lang naman ito at hindi pa kataasan ang mga bundok. Nasabi ko na ito before na katulad ito ng airport ng GenSan, kung saan may mga bundok rin namang nakapaligid ngunit naging feasible naman.

Can you pinpoint what particular place in SJDM suitable for an airport? Minimum of 2,000 hectares as mentioned by Ang.

[librero]

Awtz... Problem ko lang ay hindi ako magaling sa google map...

East of the proposed SuperCity in the Araneta Properties... North of Ciudad Real, accessible from MRT 7 project...

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by librero

Awtz... Problem ko lang ay hindi ako magaling sa google map...

East of the proposed SuperCity in the Araneta Properties... North of Ciudad Real, accessible from MRT 7 project...

Tungkong Mangga area? ....try ko i-map out ang 2k hectares...

[watcher09]

Originally Posted by rockyg

Can you pinpoint what place in SJDM suitable for an airport? Minimum of 2,000 hectares mention by Ang.

It doesn't have to be an idle land. They can unbuild, root out, demolish and build. They can level and flatten hills. They have the money and this money can do anything to make a project into fruition.

One of my bets is SJDM. It's near MM.

[librero]

San Francisco del Monte in QC po ba sir?

[librero]

Originally Posted by rockyg

Tungkong Mangga area? ....try ko i-map out ang 2k hectares...

Sige po sir... Panu po makikita yung terrain kung even ba siya or masyadong rolling? Makikita ba sa Google map yun?

[rockyg]

Originally Posted by librero

Sige po sir... Panu po makikita yung terrain kung even ba siya or masyadong rolling? Makikita ba sa Google map yun?

eto sya....2000 hectares

[watcher09]

Originally Posted by fieldsofdreams

It is just an option, should all other locations are not chosen. It's also a poll, so nothing will favor one over another just because users live closer to my site options.

Sorry, but I believe that the poll should be realistic. It's titled as "PAL's New Airport", and we know that Clark is not for sale and that PAL management is not infavor of making it "the Hub" (One of the reasons why they want to build their own is that they want to stay near the metro just in case the government approves transfer of our main airport to Clark.) and has no intention of buying it nor transfer their operations there. Also, they have already given the estimated distance from Makati which is 4x nearer than Clark.