Bus Rapid Transit (BRT)

[dhan]

UNSAON MAN NILA PAG KABALO IF OKAY BA ANG BRT IF DILI NILA I APPROVE DIBA? NGANO MAN KANANG LRT SA MANILA , GI UNSA MAN NA NILA PAG PROVE BI NGA EFFICIENT SYA PAG SAUNA?

[gud2ya]

Originally Posted by bakasaurus

Again, this is the point really. I want to hear the REAL and clear reasons for the deferral and not a vague and dumb "medyo may kulang eh" comment. The PreFS and FS are not perfect, I'd concede that, but those studies found the project to be feasible after studying the data and everything else. What has OUR opinion or even the President's opinion itself got against the result of a proper study!?

That's why I hope sir Zid can update us about what really went wrong.


Again, I don't buy that Cebu is not the Philippines. The government does provide the guarantee but it does not bleed its coffers for the real immediate capital that goes into this. And why could you say that about Cebu!?? With our population and status as a metropolis, we've got ZERO modern mass public transit system. So are we too spoiled to demand one? Don't forget that it's our FIRST one and a cheaper one at that!!

On the second thought, even if you looked at this from a business angle it's not like the country is losing money over this. Consider it an investment for Cebu and for the whole country. Cebu has been producing more that what the national government has been inputting! Think of what a mass public transport system can do to jack up our economic production! Be it MRT it BRT. More goods and services produced means more money for the rest of the country. We're a proven moneymaker and so why can't the government invest in us? So there don't give me that "be apologetic and conscientious citizen" line. It's not like we've had 3 MRT lines already, you know?

let me answer you with this.

Originally Posted by RonnieR

From the very start, I am very supportive of this BRT project for Cebu and all other cities in PH.

Just want to correct your wrong impression about the LRT South extension. It was not approved agad. In fact, it was delay for 10 long years. Some said it's 14 years.

MRT 7 is delayed by 4 years. NAIA 1 renovation is delayed. So many delays in other PPP projects. I don't know if you're still surprised with this another delay. I hope that BRT Cebu is just delayed but not cancelled.

[gud2ya]

Originally Posted by wolfram74

and what about the government's annual subsidy of P15+ billion to manila's MRT and LRT??

how many projects would that money have funded?

we wouldn't want BRT to be another MRT, would we?

[gud2ya]

Originally Posted by dhan

UNSAON MAN NILA PAG KABALO IF OKAY BA ANG BRT IF DILI NILA I APPROVE DIBA? NGANO MAN KANANG LRT SA MANILA , GI UNSA MAN NA NILA PAG PROVE BI NGA EFFICIENT SYA PAG SAUNA?

yep, that's what happened to MRT, a failed multibillion peso experiment.

[Parchie]

Originally Posted by dhan

UNSAON MAN NILA PAG KABALO IF OKAY BA ANG BRT IF DILI NILA I APPROVE DIBA? NGANO MAN KANANG LRT SA MANILA , GI UNSA MAN NA NILA PAG PROVE BI NGA EFFICIENT SYA PAG SAUNA?

IMHO, efficiency is another animal, bay! In layman's terms, kanang efficient system mo-produce almost the same or very nearly the value nga gi-input! An LRT system no doubt is efficient being electrically-driven. Ang nakaparat kay bisan gani ang costs required to run the system dili gusto nga bayaran sa mga commuters sa Metro Manila! Gusto nila nga "subsidized" sa gobiyerno. En tonces, hasta ang wa magamit sa transport system (dili taga Metro Manila) kinahanglan nga moamot aron magpadayon ang operations sa LRT/MRT.

Another case of "legal plunder" (our government decision-makers take some money from Juan's family so that Pedro and his cabal can avail of the luxury brought about by that above-mentioned transport system). Sa Tagalog, mao na'y gitawag nga "Hating-kapatid" (the eldest brother gets the lion's share,the rest get the crumbs)! CEB translation: "panglupig"! Sorry for the rant but it's the truth.

[bakasaurus]

Originally Posted by gud2ya

let me answer you with this.

How is that even the ANSWER?

Not accepted. Sorry.

[UBECMACHINE]

ahahahahaha! simple ra kaau pangutana ni baks, lagpas sd kaaug tubag mga taw. migad!

[gud2ya]

Originally Posted by bakasaurus

How is that even the ANSWER?

Not accepted. Sorry.

you're intelligent enough to get the point. no need to spell it out.

[prospectus]

Originally Posted by gud2ya

again, pnoy is not the president of cebu only.

bear in mind that 10 billion given to us is 10 billion less for other projects in the country.

besides, why are we not hearing a much louder outcry from cebuanos outside this forum on the deferment? maybe we have not even convinced the cebuano people. kulang pa ang info drive/campaign. how can we expect to convince non-cebuanos when even the general cebuano population are not totally sold to it?

the BRT should never fail, otherwise it would be a waste of taxpayers money. that's why we have to really make sure that we have every bases covered. thinking about it, im not even sure if BRT can really work even in escario. nag-aalangan nga ako na araw araw akong bumabyahe papuntang capitol via escario, ano pa kaya ang presidente?

What do you mean P10B? P1B ra tawn ang sa PH Gov't bai.

Originally Posted by UBECMACHINE

It will be jointly financed by Agence Francaise de Development (AFD) with $52 million; the World Bank at $110 million; Clean Technology Fund, a non-government organization (NGO) that deals with environment-friendly projects, $25 million; and the Philippine Government with $25 million.

http://www.sunstar.com.ph/cebu/local...icc-nod-255333

IMO:money's not an issue! it's the administration if you ask me.
(of course dili jud na nila e defere ang MCIA kay plan jud na sa government na mag build and expand ang mga airports sa tibuok pilipinas, so, dili nlng nato labot-laboton ang MCIA ani na issue. BRT is different! wala mani sya sa manila, mao nang wala silay salig kay tuo guro nila dili pata ready or lrt lang jud ang ganahan sa president...sucks)

[bakasaurus]

Originally Posted by gud2ya

you're intelligent enough to get the point. no need to spell it out.

Don't patronize me bai. But just in case I got it wrong I will spell it out. By your answer you mean it's usual that projects like this get delayed?

Again, that's not the answer to the question in asking. Each of those projects have their own reasons that I'm not privy to, but those are irrelevant to the case here. Just because other projects are deferred then it's just okay if this one suffered the same fate?

No. One has to ask specifically, why did THIS project get deferred when the funding is almost good to go, the pre FS and FS has been completed and the government only has to shell out roughly 10% of the project cost.

And then, all we got was "medyo may kulang eh", and vague references to proof of concept, mentions of issues of separate lanes (which should have been raised and dealt with in the technical study).

I want to hear a plausible reason, else it's POLITICS as many people here are starting to speculate.

[Parchie]

Originally Posted by bakasaurus

Don't patronize me bai. But just in case I got it wrong I will spell it out. By your answer you mean it's usual that projects like this get delayed?

Again, that's not the answer to the question in asking. Each of those projects have their own reasons that I'm not privy to, but those are irrelevant to the case here. Just because other projects are deferred then it's just okay if this one suffered the same fate?

No. One has to ask specifically, why did THIS project get deferred when the funding is almost good to go, the pre FS and FS has been completed and the government only has to shell out roughly 10% of the project cost.

And then, all we got was "medyo may kulang eh", and vague references to proof of concept, mentions of issues of separate lanes (which should have been raised and dealt with in the technical study).

I want to hear a plausible reason, else it's POLITICS as many people here are starting to speculate.

Bro, it's not very hard to discern. Even my barber can explain to me better than if it were me talking to others! Weather-weather lang yan!

[bakasaurus]

Originally Posted by UBECMACHINE

ahahahahaha! simple ra kaau pangutana ni baks, lagpas sd kaaug tubag mga taw. migad!

Lagi bai. I think it's better to look at what's happened in the past with the CEbu LRT proposals (I remember at least 2 from sir Zid's post before) and see what they amounted to, the extent if progress/ stage before they were shot down and for what REASONS. If I remember right, the bottom line was they were not feasible.

But what about this BRT now? Was it also not found feasible?

This might seem just a BRT project on the surface, but really it isn't just a BRT project but the totality of Cebu's begging and striving to have even ONE mass public transportation system which hasn't just started with BRT but we've been at it for almost 2 decades now!

This is why it's a little unsettling for people to be so easily accepting and dismiss it as just the BRT being deferred as usual. The BRT itself has taken the last 5 years to grow. But then again, Cebu's attempts for its first public mass transpo is the issue, and it's been happening for much longer than this!

[bakasaurus]

Originally Posted by Parchie

Bro, it's not very hard to discern. Even my barber can explain to me better than if it were me talking to others! Weather-weather lang yan!

Manoy parch, it's just that I'm extending my benefit of the da-ut. Trying to exhaust all other possible reasons but it's rather strange why the technical reasons haven't come out yet after all this time. Maybe your barber was right all along!

[Sleepwalker]

Maybe because BRT was conceived during the time of ex-PGMA, and PNoy wants it to look as his own idea, so instead of BRT, PNoy will now name it JRT...Jeep Rapid Transit...

Anyway, I still dont get it, why it was deferred considering the successful pre-FS and FS. Of course, there will always reasons...Some reasons are believable..Some are not..And some just defy basic logic, that even a grade one pupil can sense something's fishy.

Kutob na lang ta's pangawot sa ulo ani, bisan wala'y kaspa.

[jochval]

Originally Posted by Sleepwalker

Maybe because BRT was conceived during the time of ex-PGMA, and PNoy wants it to look as his own idea, so instead of BRT, PNoy will now name it JRT...Jeep Rapid Transit...

Anyway, I still dont get it, why it was deferred considering the successful pre-FS and FS. Of course, there will always reasons...Some reasons are believable..Some are not..And some just defy basic logic, that even a grade one pupil can sense something's fishy.

Kutob na lang ta's pangawot sa ulo ani, bisan wala'y kaspa.

maayo pa ug kana na lang buhaton, ang mga jeeps himoan ug lane unya naay mga jeepney stops that will act like stations , tag 7.50 gihapon ang plete, pero wa nay traffic ug as is ra gihapon ang panginabuhi sa atong mga jeepney drivers

[gud2ya]

on the news of the deferment, my barbero in talamban said, "aw mao ba. okay..." (indifference)

maybe they have to convince my barber first.

[gud2ya]

Originally Posted by Sleepwalker

Maybe because BRT was conceived during the time of ex-PGMA, and PNoy wants it to look as his own idea, so instead of BRT, PNoy will now name it JRT...Jeep Rapid Transit...

Anyway, I still dont get it, why it was deferred considering the successful pre-FS and FS. Of course, there will always reasons...Some reasons are believable..Some are not..And some just defy basic logic, that even a grade one pupil can sense something's fishy.

Kutob na lang ta's pangawot sa ulo ani, bisan wala'y kaspa.

the SRP was once deferred. many more PPP together with BRT were also deferred. does it all smell fishy?

the approval of MCIA T2 also smells fishy?

[jochval]

maynta opawan na sa imong barbero na si Pnoy, aw opaw naman diay siya daan,

[cebuboi]

Originally Posted by gud2ya

the SRP was once deferred. many more PPP together with BRT were also deferred. does it all smell fishy?

the approval of MCIA T2 also smells fishy?

Bai i think 'til now you did not get the point baka was raising to? it was not about why it was deferred in general he was after the clear reason in particular as to why it was deferred not relying with the phrase "medyo may kulang"...given the full documents presented,,,from you own understanding would you accept it as a reason? im sure not right?

[gud2ya]

Originally Posted by cebuboi

Bai i think 'til now you did not get the point baka was raising to? it was not about why it was deferred in general he was after the clear reason in particular as to why it was deferred not relying with the phrase "medyo may kulang"...given the full documents presented,,,from you own understanding would you accept it as a reason? im sure not right?

are we even sure of this (the bolded part)? why was the president looking for something called the proof of concept?

bottomline is the president is not convinced enough of shelling out the people's precious 10 billion pesos.

the government was already burned with the MRT project. pnoy won't allow his administration to commit the same mistake with something he calls an "experiment".