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Torvekiosken at Damhustorvet in Rødovre will be the first Danish Kiosk to physically get a foreign bookmaker, Stanleybet (source: the local newspaper, Rødovre Lokal Nyt).
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Post flyttet fra Helsingør-tråden.
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Hvis den generelle holdning er den I giver udtryk for, så luk de tråde ned som synes at være overflødige og forstyrrende, eller lad dem få en stille død. Det synes at være et evigt tilbagevendende spørgsmål hvordan og hvor omfangsrigt dette forum skal være, og hvordan det skal bygges op. Der er aldrig lavet en overordnet strategi hvorvidt dette forum skal fungere som 1 - 2, ja måske 3 store tråde, eller i sin nuværende form hvor trådene > læs projekterne bliver synliggjort og udspecificeret i specifikke tråde der samlet set udgør det store net der hedder København, eller Aarhus for den sags skyld. Jeg synes naturligvis godt om de mange tråde, dog er det ærgeligt at de mange gør at nogle ryger om på side 2 og 3.
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Well this sounds interesting?
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This is not concerning Copenhagen only.
http://politiken.dk/kultur/arkitektu...-christian-iv/ It is an old well known story. Basically, when there is no, or little democracy, the people in power can act fast, brutally and effectively. Be it a national state, a political party, a company. Now, what makes this interesting, and unusual is, that the people in charge are the good guys, and the results are excellent. So, what do we, as a high-profile democratic society, make of a well meaning non-democratic actor like Realdania, when we know how killing the democratic process can be on projects?
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This is not concerning Copenhagen only.
http://politiken.dk/kultur/arkitektu...-christian-iv/ It is an old well known story. Basically, when there is no, or little democracy, the people in power can act fast, brutally and effectively. Be it a national state, a political party, a company. Now, what makes this interesting, and unusual is, that the people in charge are the good guys, and the results are excellent. So, what do we, as a high-profile democratic society, make of a well meaning non-democratic actor like Realdania, when we know how killing the democratic process can be on projects?
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Løsning på det påståede problem: Sig nej til Realdanias penge. Men det vil kritikerne nok heller ikke...
Kritikerne lader generelt ikke til at være tilhængere af privat ejendomsret eller have forstået hvad konceptet medfører. |
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As you may, or may not have read, Realdania is not an fund, though often called so, but an association, and therefore Realdania is not under public supervision the same way as for example AP Møllers fond or Veluxfonden. They give away money, Realdania goes into the projects actively, and, as some of the quoted actors in the articlel mentions, they often take over the decision making of the project. As long as we have some qualified people here, there is no problem, but what would happen if non-qualified people where in charge, as it happened with e.g. the Copenhagen opera (good businessman, bad architect)? I am not on a quest. I just found the article raising some points in a sober way
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Nothing wrong with taking the discussion, I just find the democracy angle utterly misunderstood. If incompetent ("non-qualified") people were in charge, the same thing would happen as you see when a private company builds a butt ugly new headquarters: A great shame, a missed opertunity but also the way the (democratic) world works. Fortunately (but quite often unfortunately, though), our politicians are in a position to stop such bad decisions due to a legitimate concern for the public realm. That is what you saw with the Scandinavia hotel which was not deemed good enough for that location and height. Sometimes our politicians intervene, sometimes they don't. Sometimes our politicians should intervene and sometimes they shouldn't. That is where the democratic system comes in and in my opinion we only have a democratic problem when the democratic process doesn't work and the politicians make their decisions(good or bad) based on wrong arguments. But everything starts with people's/foundations'/companies'/associations' basic freedom to do as they please with their money/land. Therefore I really don't see the problem in the fact that " in the marked, then you know that decisions follow the money, rather than democracy". The respect for private property rights is fundamental in our democracy (except for Christiania which seems to believe that tthey have rights but that others haven't)
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My question at first was meant to be of a filosofical nature, based on the premisses of the article. And the article implies a democratic problem. So you really oppose to the journalists angle which is fair. The discussion raised in the article is also, though, still fair. ...in a democracy
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By all means, that is why I wrote "Nothing wrong with taking the discussion". In genrral, I think it is very wong to pull the "undemocratic" card every time one disagrees whit something. I disagree with a lot of politicial decisions in Copenhagen but I don't consider them undemocratic and am really tired of a lot of nimbys constant misuse of the word as part of their manipulative rethorics. Where I do see a democratic problem, though, is when the politicians form their opinion based on factually wrong arguments or on fear of an uninformed public opinion. Too aften we see that a few very aggressive and very loud individuals or organizations manage to spread often factually wrong views which get "adopted" by the media why are just after an "easy story" and report their views in the most uncritical manor. These views then tend to spread to a lot of other citizens/newspaper readers who are not really particularly interested in urban development but on the other hand very liable to believe that investors and politicians are corrupt and that change is always for the worse. The politicians then tend to change their mind from fear of the public opinion and the next election dau. That is a democratic system that doesn't work. Representative democracy is based on the election of politicains who are supposed to be better informed than the average Joe could possibly be when making political decisions. That is of course very often the case but the derailing of the ptocess descripbed above is just seen far too often. Some concrete examples: * I remember a member of the local council in Valby who bragged about getting a reduction in density in the Christiansbro masterplan through. Fair enough but don't we get the other side - in the same article or in another one - that density is what is required to get life and local shops? Then the casual reader would be in a better position to decide which side he is on. * I also remember a Tivoli nimby complaining about poorly designed modern buildings opposite Tivoli before anything was even known about their design and the need to distrub such lovely old buildings as the Panioptikon building - a butt ugly, modernist building which he would no doubt have objected to if it was proposed now. Why are such idiotic comments even reported by national media? It is simply not of public interest that someone finds a design bad before he has even seen it. And why don't we get the other side. And why don't the opposite view - that the clash between new and old often creates the most interesting urban spaces and that the area really needs an upgrade - get more coverage? Of course it is uop to people in favour of urban development to make a greater effort to make temselves heard. The uimbu movement in Sweden is an example of just how well this can be done. But it is still a democratic problem if one side of the story - maybe even backed up by factually wrong arguments - get too much exposure. It also seems that people who complain are always a better story for the media than some boring technical discussion about substance. But the serious part of our media - which are fed a lot of "mediestøtte" because they are so important to our democracy - should more energy on talking to specialists than to passively report the views of random nay-sayers. That would, could and should qualify the debate and make our democracy work better.
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Nimb Louise - Tivoli's last Michelin restaurant - will close as of 1 January 2013 and be converted into new suites for Nimb Hotel.
http://politiken.dk/ibyen/nyheder/re...er-pludseligt/
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Another spin-off from Noma (after Rekl) will open this summer. American chef Matt Orlando who has been heading Noma's kitchen for the past two and a half year open his own place in a former B&W storage building at Refshaleøen:
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Great, now we can get the arnt deep fried, or as a crispy kind of onions in a Bear burger with a lot of stoke ketchup..Exiting and cool that mr Orlanda choose Cph. as his location..
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I was freezing my ass off to get this photo of Copenhagen covered in snow yesterday. From Rundetårn - classical angle:
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Fantastic Xed, the city looks beautiful in winter suit.
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