Ahmedabad (AMD) | Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel International Airport

[Aditya Jadeja]

Originally Posted by Rishul

OmanAir is rumoured to be looking at AMD seriously, these Gulf carriers together will ensure that no European carrier even dares to think about AMD.

I have been saying from the very beginning that Etihad and Oman Air plan to land in AMD but you kept doubting and giving reasons why they will not come here...!! You sure change your stand quickly...!!

You are talking as if Ahmedabad has become an International Airport last year itself...

For a decade since it has become an international airport NO European carrier ever touched Ahmedabad even when there were hardly any Gulf Carriers around...!! So what damn difference does it make now...??

So as per you Ahmedabad should not have any international flights at all and we should wait for another 20 yrs for the stupid European carriers to land here and meanwhile all of us should goto BOM / DEL for international flights...!!

I really dont understand whats your problem if Gulf Carriers are serving Ahmedabad...You seriously got some issues in your head...!!

Btw...Lufthansa is rumored to land in Ahmedabad soon and if you dont wanna believe it ...Upto you...!!

[GF1011]

Originally Posted by Aditya Jadeja

For a decade since it has become an international airport NO European carrier ever touched Ahmedabad even when there were hardly any Gulf Carriers around...!! So what damn difference does it make now...??

The main difference, as viewed from here in Doha, is that NOW Doha, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi and Muscat are now apeing Dubai's successful business plan in setting up aviation hubs in their middle-east backyards. Emirates, Etihad and Qatar run some pretty slick operations (you've gotta see Doha air traffic in the mornings!) at their hubs. i guess Oman air, fly Dubai and Gulf air want a piece of the action too.

The problem for european carriers(and others) is that it will become tougher for them to compete with the GCC carriers offering more one stop options to europe and america from Indian cities (a huge chunk of pax on my last QR201 A340 BOM-DOH flight was destined for onward destinations, notably Frankfurt).

A large chunk of travellers will prefer to take a one stop flight to Europe/america from AMD because they are better positioned to offer a variety of convenient connections, at a lower price, something no European (or Indian) airline can do even if it flew daily to AMD

For Example:
AMD to FRA one stop thru ME for 25th December is less than 30K (choice of 3 good ME airlines)
DEL to FRA direct on the same day is 60 K (Air India)
(dont expect a Lufthansa FRA-AMD direct flight to be any cheaper)

Under these circumstances, its commonsense that many Amdavadis will choose a one stop flight via the gulf rather than a direct flight. will those few who do choose to fly direct have enough numbers to justify a daily europe connection to just one city?


Lufthansa could fly in there too, but only if there's money to be made,.
but, as Rishul pointed out, these ME hub 'one stop' services will make it hard for european airlines to get good loads and book profits.

A decade ago people flew thru BOM and DEL. hence no european airline wanted to fly direct to AMD. Now the focus have shifted to DXB and DOH. because its more convenient.

Cheers.

[Aditya Jadeja]

Originally Posted by GF1011

The main difference, as viewed from here in Doha, is that NOW Doha, Bahrain, Abu Dhabi and Muscat are now apeing Dubai's successful business plan in setting up aviation hubs in their middle-east backyards. Emirates, Etihad and Qatar run some pretty slick operations (you've gotta see Doha air traffic in the mornings!) at their hubs. i guess Oman air, fly Dubai and Gulf air want a piece of the action too.

The problem for european carriers(and others) is that it will become tougher for them to compete with the GCC carriers offering more one stop options to europe and america from Indian cities (a huge chunk of pax on my last QR201 A340 BOM-DOH flight was destined for onward destinations, notably Frankfurt).

A large chunk of travellers will prefer to take a one stop flight to Europe/america from AMD because they are better positioned to offer a variety of convenient connections, at a lower price, something no European (or Indian) airline can do even if it flew daily to AMD

For Example:
AMD to FRA one stop thru ME for 25th December is less than 30K (choice of 3 good ME airlines)
DEL to FRA direct on the same day is 60 K (Air India)
(dont expect a Lufthansa FRA-AMD direct flight to be any cheaper)

Under these circumstances, its commonsense that many Amdavadis will choose a one stop flight via the gulf rather than a direct flight. will those few who do choose to fly direct have enough numbers to justify a daily europe connection to just one city?


Lufthansa could fly in there too, but only if there's money to be made,.
but, as Rishul pointed out, these ME hub 'one stop' services will make it hard for european airlines to get good loads and book profits.

A decade ago people flew thru BOM and DEL. hence no european airline wanted to fly direct to AMD. Now the focus have shifted to DXB and DOH. because its more convenient.

Cheers.

Thats exactly what I am saying...Gulf carriers are offering one stop operations from India to the world at decent rates...But this Rishul fellow seems to have a problem with that and I dont know why...If we had to go by his Logic then all of us should goto BOM / DEL for International flights else use the AI having the hub and spoke model...!!

Now Indian carriers like Spice Jet has joined the Bandwagon apart from FlyDubai and Air Arabia...!!

My point is European carriers have never set foot in Ahmedabad and I doubt they will for a long time...Its not that Ahmedabad has been having European carriers all these yrs and since the advent of the Middle East Airlines all of them have shut operations here...!!

Gujaratis had to bank upon BOM / DEL all these years and at the whims and fancies of AI from AMD...The Gulf carriers have made International travel from most cities a pleasure...!!

On the pax wanting to fly direct...dude...if European carriers are even slightly more expensive most ppl would prefer to fly direct rather than taking a one stop flight...AI had direct services to FRA and was getting decent loads even though they had the 777-300 ER

Most importantly majority of the International traffic from Gujarat is to USA / UK and Africa...Makes sense to have a direct flight to these destinations from AMD...!!

Singapore Airlines has been operating from AMD for a long time and recently they have increased their services to 3 X Weekly from 2 x Weekly...!!

Hope Oman Air lands in soon...!!

[bangalore]

Originally Posted by Aditya Jadeja

It does not matter what you think Bangalore since the reality is very different...!! Ahmedabad is on Lufthansa India Page destination which speaks what they have in mind...Didnt you read Dmoneys comments ??? Also the Ahmedabad Airport Facebook Page has mentioned about Lufthansa applying to fly from there...!!

Those were MR-know-all-about-Lufthansa's valiant comments exactly 3 months back - in fact 91 days back.

So Lufthansa hasn't started AMD yet?

I know what will happen now.. there will be a huge roar on these pages, more thunderous than the lions of the Gir.

[UMANGSHUKLA]

Originally Posted by bangalore

Those were MR-know-all-about-Lufthansa's valiant comments exactly 3 months back - in fact 91 days back.

So Lufthansa hasn't started AMD yet?

I know what will happen now.. there will be a huge roar on these pages, more thunderous than the lions of the Gir.

Sorry dude no longer need lufthansa !!!

[Aditya Jadeja]

Originally Posted by bangalore

Those were MR-know-all-about-Lufthansa's valiant comments exactly 3 months back - in fact 91 days back.

So Lufthansa hasn't started AMD yet?

I know what will happen now.. there will be a huge roar on these pages, more thunderous than the lions of the Gir.

Excuse me " Bright Sparks "...Your level of reasoning has fallen to new lows...Just cause an Airline plans to begin operations from a new destination doesnt mean its gonna happen Over Night...!!

Etihad took a year or so to Start operations from AMD even after getting the flying rights to the city...Here as per the Fb page Lufthansa has applied for flying rights to AMD and like I said they may begin operations next year if all goes well...!! Like seriously dude...Try and talk sense for a Change...!!

Dont worry about us...You and Your mentor have been getting your facts and predictions wrong every time...

[Aditya Jadeja]

Originally Posted by UMANGSHUKLA

Sorry dude no longer need lufthansa !!!

These fellows are NOT the ones who are gonna decide the AMD or any City's flight schedule so lets not even give them such importance bro...!!

New International airlines like Oman Air , Lufthansa and even Kenya Airways have AMD right on their radar...We just need to wait...!!

I will be flying to Poland from AMD in February by Emirates / Etihad...Will take Pics and upload them here...!! Every time I forget to do it when I fly...!!

[Rishul]

Jadeja, the ''in the beginning'' that you talk about was 3 years ago. Stop dancing around.

[Aditya Jadeja]

Originally Posted by Rishul

Jadeja, the ''in the beginning'' that you talk about was 3 years ago. Stop dancing around.

Maybe you should read more carefully...3 Years ago I said Etihad and Oman Air have plans for Ahmedabad... I never mentioned a time frame...!!

I am sure you must be pissed at Etihad and Spicejet for beginning International operations from AMD...!!

[Rishul]

oh really? So you when i say no Eu Airline ever touches AMD you understand that in the next century no Eu airline will touch amd?

The discussion has always been of the near future. In the next 10 years or so you'll have EK 4 daily to amd, LH to FRA/MUC, bA to LHR CX to HKG too.

[Rishul]

btw, SG's first flight was operated by VT-SGV with 170/189 people on board.

[Aditya Jadeja]

Originally Posted by Rishul

oh really? So you when i say no Eu Airline ever touches AMD you understand that in the next century no Eu airline will touch amd?

The discussion has always been of the near future. In the next 10 years or so you'll have EK 4 daily to amd, LH to FRA/MUC, bA to LHR CX to HKG too.

In that case going by your argument in the next 50 Years AMD might be having 1000 flights a day across the globe...at least talk sense for a change...!!

When I talk abt any International airline planning operations in AMD I usually take 1 - 2 yrs as it takes that long...So is that a near future or a far distant dream...???? FlyDubai & Spicejet were quick to begin...!!

In the next 2 - 3 years I would assume Oman Air , Lufthansa , Thai Air and maybe Kenya Airways to be landing in AMD...Oman Air will most probably come in early next year as India and Oman have gone ahead with the increased bilaterals...!!

Since we began this forum we have had three more International airlines / Routes operating from AMD which are Etihad , FlyDubai and SpiceJet...!!

[Aditya Jadeja]

Originally Posted by Rishul

btw, SG's first flight was operated by VT-SGV with 170/189 people on board.

And my friend was one of them...he said the price was much cheaper than the International carriers even though he didnt get the promo fare...!!

[Rishul]

Dude DXB is a 2 hour flight, you dont need to market it that much to make it work, FRA - 9 hours, very high stakes which is why LH is reluctant.

[Aditya Jadeja]

Originally Posted by Rishul

Dude DXB is a 2 hour flight, you dont need to market it that much to make it work, FRA - 9 hours, very high stakes which is why LH is reluctant.

If SIA which is a full fledged carrier has increased its frequency from AMD even though the concentration of NRGs is highest towards UK and USA and the flying time is almost the same then why in the world cant AMD have a direct connectivity to Europe / USA...??

And who said LH is reluctant ?? Where do you get such information I really wonder...!!

[Rishul]

who on earth said LH is coming? Where do YOU get such info from?

FB page or booking page means 0 ; starting a long haul route requires several meetings, slot discussions, etc etc, one of which is very easily detected by the media.

Like the reports abt GF,etc.

IF LH was coming, we'd had gotten a hint of it. So far nothing.

[Aditya Jadeja]

Originally Posted by Rishul

who on earth said LH is coming? Where do YOU get such info from?

FB page or booking page means 0 ; starting a long haul route requires several meetings, slot discussions, etc etc, one of which is very easily detected by the media.

Like the reports abt GF,etc.

IF LH was coming, we'd had gotten a hint of it. So far nothing.

Ahmedabad Fb page has been getting their news bang on till now...so there is no reason for them to cook up stories about LH coming...!! If you dont wanna believe its your call...!!

As a matter of fact your predictions and views are 0 cause you been getting everything wrong till now...!!

And as far as long haul routes are concerned going by your logic SIA should never have begun operations in AMD in the first place...they have increased their frequencies too so why in the world wouldnt LH give AMD a shot...??

On getting the hint part , SG and FlyDubai announced operations after getting the flying rights to AMD...there was hardly any news on them coming till they got their clearances...!!

[meetmus2fa]

Oh please u both stop now

[Rishul]

just stating facts but a 5 hour flight is NOT a long haul flight. SQ increased frequencies and then reduced them again.

[gandhi.rushabh1992]

Originally Posted by meetmus2fa

Oh please u both stop now

This thread is going from bad to worse...hopeless.

One of the objectives of this thread is to provide some good quality pics of the AMD airport campus...instead it is turning into a thread.