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Old February 2nd, 2013, 08:48 PM   #2181
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Is Burkle really looking seriously at both the Sacramento Kings and football or hockey or basketball in LA? I would say no, but let's see.
Yeah wouldn't make much sense (and against NBA rules) since AEG has an ownership stake in the Lakers. Wonder if he'd sell AEG's remaining % of the Lakers to S-S?

Surprised that Roski hasn't gotten a group together since he's business partners already with Anschutz. Especially since he's investing into the new UNLV dome stadium, which would fit in quite nicely in the AEG portfolio.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 02:08 AM   #2182
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Yeah wouldn't make much sense (and against NBA rules) since AEG has an ownership stake in the Lakers. Wonder if he'd sell AEG's remaining % of the Lakers to S-S?

Surprised that Roski hasn't gotten a group together since he's business partners already with Anschutz. Especially since he's investing into the new UNLV dome stadium, which would fit in quite nicely in the AEG portfolio.
Well, remember that S-S is richer and more liquid than Burkle.

The only deals of Burkle's that I have been associated with are food related (not counting small minority positions or investments that were primarily loans). Neither is much interested in arena management or tour promotion I would guess, so Goldman Sachs might be packaging those pieces for re-sale.

Maybe Burkle takes the NBA Kings and Galaxy; S-S increases his Lakers position and gets the NHL Kings and Farmer's and does a deal with Kroenke?

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Old February 3rd, 2013, 09:32 PM   #2183
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Well, remember that S-S is richer and more liquid than Burkle.

The only deals of Burkle's that I have been associated with are food related (not counting small minority positions or investments that were primarily loans). Neither is much interested in arena management or tour promotion I would guess, so Goldman Sachs might be packaging those pieces for re-sale.

Maybe Burkle takes the NBA Kings and Galaxy; S-S increases his Lakers position and gets the NHL Kings and Farmer's and does a deal with Kroenke?
Burkle bought AGI last year.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/ente...rnational.html

So he's been interested in entertainment promotions.

And at Consol Energy Center, part of the deal to build the Penguins new arena had a provision for him to develop 28 acres adjacent to the arena. So what his is trying to do with the NBA Kings is pretty similar. The site is owned by one of his partners, JMA Ventures.
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 11:29 PM   #2184
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Burkle bought AGI last year.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/ente...rnational.html

So he's been interested in entertainment promotions.

And at Consol Energy Center, part of the deal to build the Penguins new arena had a provision for him to develop 28 acres adjacent to the arena. So what his is trying to do with the NBA Kings is pretty similar. The site is owned by one of his partners, JMA Ventures.
That makes sense; grocery stores ties in with land usage and development.

I have to admit I have never heard of AGI but it is the same industry. It would be funny to see them "take over" AEG, who is a giant.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 01:55 AM   #2185
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QATARI SPORTS INVESTMENTS INTERESTED IN AEG? @00:54 of video



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Old February 4th, 2013, 09:06 AM   #2186
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Old February 4th, 2013, 09:12 AM   #2187
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QATARI SPORTS INVESTMENTS INTERESTED IN AEG? @00:54 of video



Well, they say that elephants like peanuts.

The Qataris have how many hundred billion? And the Galaxy are worth maybe 100M? Can't be worth more than PSG, can they?

A little strange to bid 8B for AEG to get that size of a piece of it. But I imagine that they wouldn't mind some of the other assets as well.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 10:31 PM   #2188
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Off subject, but speaking of football and soccer I didn't know whether to cry or admire the man when Goodell was inteviewed about whether the NFL has a future. When asked about traumatic brain injury, he quickly said he would let his sons play football (if he had any) but that he is very worried about his daughters playing soccer.

At least no one asked him if the team moving to LA would rename themselves the Blackouts or the Mighty Goofies.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 11:34 PM   #2189
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Off subject, but speaking of football and soccer I didn't know whether to cry or admire the man when Goodell was inteviewed about whether the NFL has a future. When asked about traumatic brain injury, he quickly said he would let his sons play football (if he had any) but that he is very worried about his daughters playing soccer.

At least no one asked him if the team moving to LA would rename themselves the Blackouts or the Mighty Goofies.
I'm convinced that Roger Goodell has been taking stupid lessons from the master himself, Bud Selig.
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Old February 5th, 2013, 03:45 AM   #2190
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I'm convinced that Roger Goodell has been taking stupid lessons from the master himself, Bud Selig.
Is it sad that I could actually believe that?
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Old February 5th, 2013, 09:16 AM   #2191
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Is it sad that I could actually believe that?
It's not sad that you believe it. It's sad that it is true.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:45 AM   #2192
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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/02/...rd-jones-dome/

http://www.krcu.org/post/nixon-mo-se...w-rams-stadium

Meanwhile, Gov. Nixon of Missouri hints pretty clearly that the state will contribute to a new stadium for the Rams, hyping the tourism gains and noting that they are still paying off the Jones Dome and it makes it a bad investment to have it empty.

Or, if you prefer, he adamantly refuses to consider funding for a new stadium.

Sound like the guv has a future in politics.
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http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2013/02/...rd-jones-dome/

http://www.krcu.org/post/nixon-mo-se...w-rams-stadium

Meanwhile, Gov. Nixon of Missouri hints pretty clearly that the state will contribute to a new stadium for the Rams, hyping the tourism gains and noting that they are still paying off the Jones Dome and it makes it a bad investment to have it empty.

Or, if you prefer, he adamantly refuses to consider funding for a new stadium.

Sound like the guv has a future in politics.
Making statements that go both ways? Still a rare trick. I'm impressed.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 05:11 PM   #2194
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Would the LA fan base support an NFL team with no ties to the city? I get the feeling that if its not the Rams, Raiders or Chargers it could be a situation like the Bobcats in Charlotte. Sure its an NFL team but, most people are already fans of previous teams and they would have a hard time getting behind the LA Jaguars or some expansion team. Seems to me like the Rams are a perfect fit, followed by the Raiders. Also, I've read rumors that the NFL would prefer two teams, NFC and AFC teams (like the Jets and Giants at MetLife) to share the new stadium.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 07:05 PM   #2195
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Would the LA fan base support an NFL team with no ties to the city? I get the feeling that if its not the Rams, Raiders or Chargers it could be a situation like the Bobcats in Charlotte. Sure its an NFL team but, most people are already fans of previous teams and they would have a hard time getting behind the LA Jaguars or some expansion team. Seems to me like the Rams are a perfect fit, followed by the Raiders. Also, I've read rumors that the NFL would prefer two teams, NFC and AFC teams (like the Jets and Giants at MetLife) to share the new stadium.
Good question. Certainly the 3 you mention would be quicker to get absorbed into the local mindset. But a solid PR effort, the right coach, special fan events, etc., should sell out the season tickets and boxes that will constitute the bulk of the seats. I believe Roski said that he was about 10 times over-subscribed for season tickets in Industry (of course, this was before you had to put any money down) and the LA and OC demographic (small business owners; wealthy; retired; sports lovers) is perfect for picking up a couple of season tickets to the new hot show in town.

The NFL has talked about 2 teams, but I think that's really going to be a function of who buys AEG. No one seems interested in playing in someone else's stadium and all the bidders can come up with a billion or two on their own (Qatar, Guggenheim, S-S, Ellison, Goldman, Westfield, etc.) and so can Kroenke. The Chargers and Raiders might need to share if they cane as a package.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:24 AM   #2196
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Would the LA fan base support an NFL team with no ties to the city? I get the feeling that if its not the Rams, Raiders or Chargers it could be a situation like the Bobcats in Charlotte. Sure its an NFL team but, most people are already fans of previous teams and they would have a hard time getting behind the LA Jaguars or some expansion team. Seems to me like the Rams are a perfect fit, followed by the Raiders. Also, I've read rumors that the NFL would prefer two teams, NFC and AFC teams (like the Jets and Giants at MetLife) to share the new stadium.
I never knew that the Panthers swapped names with their NBA counterpart . You might want to add the NBA part in there so that people who don't follow sports won't get confused.

As for your argument, I would have to disagree about the fan support argument. As Los Angeles managed to do it successfully with the Minnesota Lakers and Brooklyn Dodgers when they moved to the city of angels, as well as San Francisco with the New York Giants -MLB-.

I have a hard time believing that the NFL would allow something similar to New York happen in Los Angeles, I have an even harder time believing they would allow two teams to move to L.A. Keep in mind that their history when it comes to American football teams is pretty shaky at best
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Old February 8th, 2013, 10:34 PM   #2197
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Keep in mind that their history when it comes to American football teams is pretty shaky at best
Shaky at best?

The Rams, throughout their history in L.A., were among the league leaders in attendance.
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Old February 9th, 2013, 01:14 AM   #2198
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Ya exactly. LA teams are among the tops in attendance for almost every team.

Lakers have sold out for god knows how many years
Clippers - Have a 70 game plus sell out streak
Kings - If it werent for two games last year that barely missed, they would have a 75 + game streak of sell outs
Dodgers - ALWAYS top 5 in attendance, most attended sports team in history
Angels - Have been in the top 5 for 10 years now
USC F - Averages over 80,000 a game every year
UCLA - Averages over 65,000 a game every year
UCLA Basketball - Over 10,000 a game
LA Galaxy - First or second for the entire history of the MLS

Only laggers are the Ducks, Chivas and USC basketball
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Old February 9th, 2013, 06:55 PM   #2199
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Ya exactly. LA teams are among the tops in attendance for almost every team.

Lakers have sold out for god knows how many years
Clippers - Have a 70 game plus sell out streak
Kings - If it werent for two games last year that barely missed, they would have a 75 + game streak of sell outs
Dodgers - ALWAYS top 5 in attendance, most attended sports team in history
Angels - Have been in the top 5 for 10 years now
USC F - Averages over 80,000 a game every year
UCLA - Averages over 65,000 a game every year
UCLA Basketball - Over 10,000 a game
LA Galaxy - First or second for the entire history of the MLS

Only laggers are the Ducks, Chivas and USC basketball
No doubt your statistics are right ..... but ....... there is a reason that both the Rams and Raiders left in 1995.

Perhaps what you stated above is actually part of the problem. There is ALOT to do in Southern California and there are many different ways to spend money on sports. Throw in concerts, theatre, the beach and theme parks and you see my point. This doesn't even address the problem of a whole generation growing up with no local team, that has been free to pick and choose (and watch) their favorites from around the country.

I'm not saying that two NFL teams wouldn't work in LA, but I don't think that it's a slam dunk either.
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No doubt your statistics are right ..... but ....... there is a reason that both the Rams and Raiders left in 1995.

Perhaps what you stated above is actually part of the problem. There is ALOT to do in Southern California and there are many different ways to spend money on sports. Throw in concerts, theatre, the beach and theme parks and you see my point. This doesn't even address the problem of a whole generation growing up with no local team, that has been free to pick and choose (and watch) their favorites from around the country.

I'm not saying that two NFL teams wouldn't work in LA, but I don't think that it's a slam dunk either.
Oh, good, somebody has raised the issue of why the Rams and Raiders left. This is usually good for a few heated posts.
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