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Old February 3rd, 2013, 06:52 PM   #5121
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Old February 3rd, 2013, 08:18 PM   #5122
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Cross River Tram works better with 'what makes you think it was suitable?'

CRT was going to reduce capacity across the river compared with the buses (being single-deck, hindering other traffic more and only 24 per hour), and their usage estimates for crossing the river was identical to capacity - due to being trams it pulled in a lot more than the buses did.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 12:03 AM   #5123
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I think the arguments about the cost of the station is a good one against any underground. In a way it makes it a better economy to run the HS2 in tunnels as you can free capacity up at ground level where stations are dirt cheap in comparison. Now the plans are out, a question how many HS2 trains an hour will be using the tunnels from ardwick to DG? How difficult would it be to re route classic services (from Huddersfield, Newcastle etc) through the tunnel to DG thus freeing up capacity above ground for tram train. I know I have mentioned this before but bearing in mind what we now know how difficult is that.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 08:40 AM   #5124
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There are about 6 tph in each direction down the tunnel.

Absolutely no trains other than high speed trains will use the tunnel.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 09:07 PM   #5125
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There are about 6 tph in each direction down the tunnel.

Absolutely no trains other than high speed trains will use the tunnel.
And why?

Because if anything else was on there it would erm slow the one every ten minute super fast trains and thus making them less flying like Sh!t of a shovel but rather just Sh!t.

It will be some treat to emerge at either end of the "Mancunian tunnel" on a super duper express train.

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Old February 4th, 2013, 09:09 PM   #5126
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Because slower trains in the tunnel would eat up the paths and cause delays.
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Old February 4th, 2013, 09:20 PM   #5127
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Because slower trains in the tunnel would eat up the paths and cause delays.
Also, if anything happens on heavy rail like on Metrolink... The slower class of trains would damage the track, causing issues for the high speed (think Alty/Bury lines now)
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Old February 4th, 2013, 09:25 PM   #5128
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And why?

Because if anything else was on there it would erm slow the one every ten minute super fast trains and thus making them less flying like Sh!t of a shovel but rather just Sh!t.

It will be some treat to emerge at either end of the "Mancunian tunnel" on a super duper express train.

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Which will be slowing down to approach the station at either end :-)
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Old February 4th, 2013, 11:47 PM   #5129
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Cross River Tram works better with 'what makes you think it was suitable?'

CRT was going to reduce capacity across the river compared with the buses (being single-deck, hindering other traffic more and only 24 per hour), and their usage estimates for crossing the river was identical to capacity - due to being trams it pulled in a lot more than the buses did.
Cross river tram makes me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Hx5RLf3mA
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Old February 5th, 2013, 02:07 AM   #5130
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They stole that idea from Liverpool!
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Old February 5th, 2013, 11:38 PM   #5131
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Don't know if it's been mentioned anywhere but the Peace Gardens St Peters Square are now fenced off!
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Old February 5th, 2013, 11:51 PM   #5132
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Because slower trains in the tunnel would eat up the paths and cause delays.
Just said that. Oh I am not on ignore as well!

And sentinel I know they will be slowing down. But still what a sight.

For purely aesthetic reasons ( and nothing else) I hope the air vents allow a tempting shaft of daylight down onto the track to add that extra zip of light into the journey.

Bolt on that the Airport Circle will eventually be built.

May I throw in that Stockport might be tempted to wonder why a short junction at Hough End isn't included to allow for direct trams from that town to the airport?

Lastly I presume some of you lot are to ride the Droylsden tram when it cracks open next week?
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Old February 5th, 2013, 11:59 PM   #5133
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Cross river tram makes me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Hx5RLf3mA
Wtf!!!

Metrosplash and hopefully not Metrosink.

Now how fast does it go? Is it quicker than the 67 bus from Barton to Manchester on a match day at SCS when Sale or Salford play?

Dr K take note. Imagine a magic coach of rugby supporters and a barrel of relal ale down the ship canal.

Magic.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:11 AM   #5134
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Cross river tram makes me think of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3Hx5RLf3mA
It was trialled on the Clyde in Glasgow a couple of years ago but I don't know if anything came of it....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/fe...scotland-river
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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:39 AM   #5135
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It was trialled on the Clyde in Glasgow a couple of years ago but I don't know if anything came of it....

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/fe...scotland-river
I was indeed. Brian Soutar of Stagecoach was very keen on the idea but nothing more has been heard of it.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 10:49 AM   #5136
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Trees and benches are disappearing from Peace Gardens this morning.

Preparing for some action in this area?
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Old February 7th, 2013, 01:07 PM   #5137
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Trees and benches are disappearing from Peace Gardens this morning.

Preparing for some action in this area?
Ooooh! Sounds very promising
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Old February 7th, 2013, 09:53 PM   #5138
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Bolt on that the Airport Circle will eventually be built.

May I throw in that Stockport might be tempted to wonder why a short junction at Hough End isn't included to allow for direct trams from that town to the airport?
You believe, then, that funding for the extension to Stockport from E Didsbury will eventually be found?
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Old February 7th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #5139
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No I don't actually.

There again I didn't imagine MCFC winning anything or a huge tunnel under fallowfield neither.
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Old February 7th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #5140
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Do SMBC know something we don't? For some reason Stockport are pinning all their hopes on a circular rail route and tram-trains (see http://www.manchestereveningnews.co....trolink-900414).

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Stockport council leader Dave Goddard ... said the council have been looking at alternatives including a circular rail route.

He said: "It’s about getting people in and out of Stockport and that might be done in other ways.

"We are looking at tram-trains, better public transport and having a more holistic transport plan, one that is not built around Metrolink."
Would a circular rail route would be popular - it would need to be very popular to not require an ongoing subsidy from DfT (in which case it wouldn't get built).

Is tram-train actually going to happen? And when? How are the Penistone trial coming on? Anything likely to happen in Stockport before 2030ish?

Furthermore - a circular route would do little to improve the links between any large densely populated suburban areas (e.g. Didsbury) and the rapidly deteriorating Stockport town centre.

Why is the council pursuing a pipe-dream when it could and should be pursuing something that demonstrably could actually happen?
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