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Old November 30th, 2010, 03:43 PM   #701
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Re. the Panorama show last night.

It was fairly damning and will not sit well with FIFA at all - not that it was ever going to in the first place . Obviously alot of it was following up old leads that we've known about for a few years, but this time with much stronger evidence that pretty much confirmed what has been going on.

The most damning and disgraceful for me part concerned the couple of Norwegian journalists. They had extremely strong evidence that Jack Warner had hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of tickets he had demanded and was selling on to touts - no surprise there! When they raised the issue in a press conference fronted by Blatter, he replied "if we receive allegations of this kind through official channels, we will look at it". Following this, the journalists then went to FIFA secretaries at the HQ and asked how to go about submitting claims through these so called "official channels". Of course, none of the secretaries had any idea what constituted an "offical channel" and nothing could be done.

It's clear they don't care about the corruption. They don't want to tackle it because they're all on the take.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 03:47 PM   #702
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Those who keep Blatter in his job are. I get the feeling that the other half of the ExCo don't much like being tainted with this brush but keep quiet out of fear of losing their positions for speaking up.

Scotland's John McBeth had the balls to tell the truth and he lost his job on the ExCo for doing so three years ago.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 05:14 PM   #703
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Scotland's John McBeth had the balls to tell the truth and he lost his job on the ExCo for doing so three years ago.
I think he actually told the truth and lost his job BEFORE even taking up office. Such are the workings of FIFA.

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According to Mihir Bose, an expert in sports administration, Fifa president Sepp Blatter "sees Fifa as the Vatican of sport and himself as a head of state". One close observer says that the professional staff in Zurich are competent and trustworthy, "but it's the committee members that are the problem. They are treated like gods. They fly everywhere first class, stay in five-star hotels, receive $150,000 retainers just for attending meetings and $500 a day expenses. They live in another universe."

But three years ago one official broke the committee's code of silence. John McBeth, the Scottish Football Association president, was about to be made Britain's Fifa vice-president in 2007 when he suddenly announced his intention to expose corruption. McBeth called Blatter a "tricky customer" and noted: "I know two or three [at Fifa] whom I'd want to count my fingers after shaking hands with them."

Unfortunately he indelicately identified the regions prone to corruption as Africa and the Caribbean. McBeth was then accused of racism by the president of Concacaf (the football confederation that includes the Caribbean), the Fifa vice-president and Trinidad businessman and politician Jack Warner, who is alleged to have made about $1m from reselling World Cup tickets in breach of Fifa regulations. Warner was ordered to repay the money. McBeth later claimed that Warner had once asked for takings from a match between Scotland and Trinidad and Tobago to be paid to his personal account. McBeth was duly ousted, with Blatter explaining that his declarations were "discriminatory". Fifa is dedicated to anti-racism, and any form of discrimination on grounds of ethnic origin, gender, religion or nationhood is "strictly prohibited and punishable by suspension or expulsion".
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Old November 30th, 2010, 08:51 PM   #704
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Gullit, Cruijff, Pfaff, Hiddink, Van Himst, Leterme and Rutte in The HollandBelgium Bid delegation

Eindhoven, 26 November 2010 – Johan Cruyff, Jean-Marie Pfaff, Guus Hiddink, Paul van Himst and both prime ministers Yves Leterme and Mark Rutte are just a few of the members of the delegation who under the direction of Ruud Gullit, President of The HollandBelgium Bid, will bolster Belgium and the Netherlands’ Bid for the 2018 FIFA World Cup™ at the Final Presentation to FIFA in Zürich on Thursday 2 December.

The HollandBelgium Bid announced this today. “We have put together a very strong team in which footballers and world renowned coaches take the lead and have the support of the highest government officials and football association directors. This is the only right formation for a FIFA World Cup™ candidate,” according to Harry Been, CEO of The Holland Belgium Bid.

The HollandBelgium Bid team will be the first country to make its 2018 FIFA World Cup™ bid presentation on Thursday 2 December at 09.00. The thirty minute presentation will be made to the members of the FIFA Executive Committee. The HollandBelgium Bid is followed by England, Spain/Portugal and Russia. A day earlier, on Wednesday 1 December, it is the turn of the five candidates for the 2022 FIFA World Cup™.

The HollandBelgium Bid delegation comprises forty people and is a mix of top footballers, coaches, government officials, football association directors and Bid partners. Apart from Gullit, Cruijff, Pfaff, Hiddink and Van Himst ex-internationals Aron Winter, Gilles de Bilde, Pierre van Hooijdonk and Christian Karembeu are also on the team, as well as national coaches Georges Leekens and Bert van Marwijk.

In addition to Prime minister Leterme, the Belgian government is represented by Vice Prime minister Didier Reynders, Minister of Sport André Antoine and the Prime minister of the French Community Rudy Demotte. Prime Minister Rutte will have Minister of Sport Edith Schippers on his side.

The HollandBelgium Bid board is also represented of course, under the direction of Co-Chairmen François de Keersmaecker (KBVB) and Michael van Praag (KNVB) and Harry Been, CEO of The HollandBelgium Bid.

The official partners of The HollandBelgium Bid are represented by their board members.

Source: Thebid.org

They seem to be very optimistic at the HollandBelgium bid. Especially when they are able to survive the first round. CEO of the HollandBelgium Bid: We are going to win. Watch, we have to celebrate something on Thursday.
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Old November 30th, 2010, 10:38 PM   #705
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have to agree with the Brits, I don't think Putin not going is a sign things are over.

that being said, all the Russian posters seem very firm on this view, so it may be a very Russian kind of thing going on.

for what its worth, we are hearing down here that the 2018 bid is all but done, with all delegates locked in their positions (but 2022 is more open)
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Old November 30th, 2010, 10:44 PM   #706
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It's second preferences which will determine it though, are they really all decided on those as well for 2018?
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Old November 30th, 2010, 10:47 PM   #707
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It's second preferences which will determine it though, are they really all decided on those as well for 2018?
no idea - as I mentioned, its just media reports.

With it being a three horse race though, all you need is your preferred and "the other guy", so it is possible
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Old December 1st, 2010, 12:26 AM   #708
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can you remember the order of the presentations, the time , and where we can see them?
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Old December 1st, 2010, 01:29 AM   #709
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can you remember the order of the presentations, the time , and where we can see them?
On 1 December, Australia will give their presentation at 14.00 CET, Korea Republic at 15.00, Qatar at 16.00, the USA at 17.00 and Japan at 18.00.

On 2 December, Belgium/Netherlands will give their presentation at 09.00, Spain/Portugal at 10.00, England at 11.00 and Russia at 12.00. Each presentation will be made at the Home of FIFA in Zurich and last 30 minutes.

These are obviously CET times and they will vary according to where you are in the world.
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 04:23 PM   #710
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What would it tell us about fifa if england didnt even get passed round 1, and all this talk about legacy, italia 90 ? france 98 germany 2006 ? what legacy was left. And why is englands bid seen as being weaker than the russian bid because we can hold a world cup tommorrow ! should it not be the other way around ? and how many african fans are going to turn up and be welcome in russia ! And it wasnt so long ago that black england players were geting monkey chants from the great spanish public ! But all the efforts of new stadiums the fight aganist hooligans and kick racists out of football that england has been doing for the last 20 years , counts for nothing in the eyes of fifa
Quite true this quote.

English football has led the way on changing the game across the world to be safer, fairer and more accessible to all. Should be rewarded in kind.
Violence hits Birmingham City’s Carling Cup win over Aston Villa at St Andrew's as 14 people taken to hospital

Violence following Birmingham City’s Carling Cup quarter-final victory over Aston Villa, which broke out when supporters invaded the St Andrew’s pitch, left 14 people - including four officers of the West Midlands Police - requiring hospital treatment last night.

[...]Two police dogs were also injured after being struck by missiles, and as hostilities between the two sets of supporters spilled out of the stadium and into the nearby area one pub, as well as a number of parked cars close to St Andrew’s sustained considerable damage.[...]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/foo...-hospital.html
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As you can see... this sort of things (chants, violence...) could happen anywhere or happens everywhere.

People are people wherever you go.
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 04:32 PM   #712
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It's such a rare occurence it made the news.
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Old December 2nd, 2010, 04:39 PM   #713
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Same for chants in Spain.
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