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Old March 24th, 2017, 12:59 PM   #15081
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In Bulgaria the police issue ID cards, passports, driving licences, vehicle registration documents and number plates.
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Old March 24th, 2017, 02:37 PM   #15082
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To ask for one new or renewal, in Spain, ID cards and passports are issued by police (and driving licence by traffic authorities). Thus, any issue about them, police station (and not all of them).
To avoid queues, in some of them it is compulsory to ask an appointment by internet.

I just walked near one of them and entered to ask in the desk
Quite similar to what happens here at the other end of Europe:

1) Easiest to go to an authorized photographer shop. The photo taken is immediately uploaded onto the photo server of the police.

2a) If the biometric credentials known by the police are less than six years old, the passport can be applied via internet.

2b) Otherwise, a visit at a police station is needed. Best to book the time in advance in order to avoid getting stucked in a queue. Normally, the visit takes no longer than 10 minutes.

3) The passport arrives in about a week to a service point of a nation-wide service provider.
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Old March 24th, 2017, 04:01 PM   #15083
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I agree... at least, time to deal it is shorter than a long time ago.
For my first ID card and passport... ID cards took about 15-30 days. They gave a paper as receipt... and it was useful only to open a bank account, never as identification (I remember when I went to fill my daughter after born, another person had his ID card but only receipt for the mother... it wasn't allowed and he could fill the baby only being him, his father. Mother should have to wait for definitely ID card)

Nowadays they require to have specific photos (no shadow, no shanny, all the eyes to be seen, at leas one ear...) and biometric (finger) and signature is taken in the place... and in 20 minutes you quit police station with the ID card in your hand.


Passport were always faster. Formerly 1-2 days long, nowadays at the moment.
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Old March 24th, 2017, 04:59 PM   #15084
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By the way, when did your countries (if you have ID's at all) switch from an ID in form of a booklet, filled in by hand, to a plastic card? In Poland it was somewhere around 2000 (they were in use to 2008), and more or less the same with driving licenses.
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All Schengen countries are obliged to have a ID cards. One of the reason why UK is not of a Schengen country - because Brits historical they are not carrying any documents with them. The Police in UK need to confirm your identity, not a person stopped by Police...
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Old March 24th, 2017, 06:52 PM   #15085
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To ask for one new or renewal, in Spain, ID cards and passports are issued by police (and driving licence by traffic authorities). Thus, any issue about them, police station (and not all of them).
To avoid queues, in some of them it is compulsory to ask an appointment by internet.
It seems, it's so in many countries with the police.

And, to tell the truth, it actually makes sense.

I don't know what about other countries, but here, the police belongs wholly to the government.

Our voivodeships have two types of public administration. First of all, there are marshall offices. They are subordinate to the marshall, who is elected by the voivodeship council ("sejmik województwa" - while the lower house of the parliament of the country is "sejm", the word "sejmik" is a diminutive form of the word "sejm"). And the voivodeship council (sejmik) is elected in the local elections. So it's a local form of administration, independent of the state. Secondly, there are voivodeship offices. Subordinate to the voivode, who is elected by the prime minister. So it's a governmental form of administration in the voivodeship.

So the passport are issued by an institution of governmental administration, and it would be also the case if they were issued by the police.

It's different with the ID's, which are issued by the city office, subordinate to the mayor, elected in the local elections directly - so by the local, non-governmental administration.

Probably it has something to do with the international law, that the passports have to be issued by governments. And the ID's do not (actually, they don't have to exist at all, which we can see in the UK, for example). But since the police is - at least in Poland, but probably in most countries too - a governmental institution, technically, it can issue passports too, and it makes much sense, since it's a governmental institution, which is closest to the citizen (there are police stations in most towns). Unlike our voivodeship offices, which are only in big cities.

But in Poland, the police isn't really dealing with the administrative stuff which doesn't have anything to do directly with the crimes, offences and law enforcement. At least not on the citizen-government line.

No administration units in Poland actually require registration over the Internet (the elder people often don't know how to use a computer, so it would be difficult) and if you have to register at all (which you can do just there or on the phone), it's usually in more complex cases, for example if you need to talk to someone more important. Not in standard situations like applying for a passport.

Although sometimes they allow to register over the internet for the specific time, so that you don't have to wait in the queue.

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1) Easiest to go to an authorized photographer shop. The photo taken is immediately uploaded onto the photo server of the police.
In Poland, the photographer doesn't have to be authorized. Actually, if you really want, you can take the photo on your own, they may don't like it, but they have to accept it You just have to stick to all the criteria for the dimensions of the photo, that it must be en face, you cannot smile too much, and so on - probably the same in the whole EU. The photographers usually have special computer programs which help frame the photo according to the criteria.

Both IDs and passports take a few weeks to issue. They are printed in a central, governmental printing house in Warsaw and sent to the specific office. Although I remember that I needed once a passport to be issued within a week, my parents (I was underage then) talked to a manager in the voivodeship office and it was possible to make it faster.

So, passports are issued by the voivodeship (by the governmental administration, although local, non-governmental administration exists too in the voivodeships), IDs by the municipality (by the local administration). Driving licenses, license plates and registration certificates - by the county (a unit between the municipality and the voivodeship), by the local administration. The county office ("starostwo") is subordinate to the starost, elected by the county council, which is elected directly in the local elections.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 12:49 AM   #15086
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All Schengen countries are obliged to have a ID cards. One of the reason why UK is not of a Schengen country - because Brits historical they are not carrying any documents with them. The Police in UK need to confirm your identity, not a person stopped by Police...
What a shame the continental countries have all jumped on the national ID card bandwagon... strong state and weak people
Perhaps, "American" style of always showing a driver's license is equally bad, particularly now that the state databases are all effectively networked by IT advancements... but still...
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Old March 25th, 2017, 12:55 AM   #15087
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What a shame the continental countries have all jumped on the national ID card bandwagon... strong state and weak people
Perhaps, "American" style of always showing a driver's license is equally bad, particularly now that the state databases are all effectively networked by IT advancements... but still...
Also, the number of people getting a driving licence is falling. They need some other form of ID to operate. Without an ID card, how are they supposed to travel around?
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Old March 25th, 2017, 12:56 AM   #15088
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Well, there is generally much too much invigilation in the world nowadays.

30 years ago, the people here were still fighting against it from the side of Soviets and their followers who were ruling here. Now... Americans are going much further and it seems to be OK for the people.

Because nobody uses this knowledge against them.

Nobody does it now.

But much less was enough for communists to destroy lives of many people.

By the way... does Norway have IDs?

They are continental. Peninsular, but still continental.

And they are in Schengen, though not in the EU.

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Also, the number of people getting a driving licence is falling. They need some other form of ID to operate. Without an ID card, how are they supposed to travel around?
In the central and eastern Europe (OK, I talk about Poland, but I believe it's the same in all the other countries around - in the directions other than west and north) it's still raising. There is still more and more cars.

At one point, it will stop and not grow any more, same with the driving licenses (currently, there is still many elder people without them and young people usually try to get one as soon as possible), maybe even it will start sinking very slightly (if the quality of the public transport will be improving or if better means of transport will be invented) - but now it's raising.

But there are always some people without driving licenses.
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Old March 25th, 2017, 01:43 AM   #15089
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Poland is probably a unique case from a global perspective because public transit is extremely common between cities and in rural areas, which probably doesn't make economic sense if the country continues to improve economically (people could / should just drive their own car, e.g. American style). There are so many random bus stop in the middle of the forest it is crazy to me I can't even imagine how grueling such trips must be aboard an old Autosan with the engine cover propped up with some rope so the engine doesn't overheat over 50 km/h...
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Most western-European countries have much better public transportation systems in the rural areas than Poland.

And it's less and less common to see an old Autosan H9 belonging to a company created based on a local branch of the former state "PKS" bus operator. What you see now more and more frequently is a Mercedes Sprinter minibus, operated by a local family business, with so many seats packed inside so that if you want to sit straight, you must push your knees in the following seat so that they hurt you. Often overcrowded (more than 10 persons standing in such a minibus are nothing weird) and with no timetable available to the public. Or if there is one - the real timetable is totally different, or only some departures from this timetable actually depart.

And this is true only if the route makes an economical sense for the operator. In the actually rural areas - you usually don't have any public transportation at all.

The western-European countries, especially Germany, are a totally different world, with bus lines operated with normal, full-length, modern buses, which go to each village (unless it has a railway station) and are covered by a common ticket system with the city buses in the nearby city and with the regional trains.
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By the way, a French bus stop just in the border

https://www.google.es/maps/@42.80650...!6m1!1e1?hl=es

turn right and you will see former booths in the mountain pass. Next building in white is inside Spain

Despite it operates only in summer it is not possible to make a link with Spanish network. Nearests stop is a two daily bus 5 km away all the year (one on saturday) but not till the border, only till a ski resort.
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Currently, at the Polish-Slovakian border, some activists are trying to make the local authorities, bus operators and the parliaments do something to improve the local cross-border bus connections. Because they are developed very weakly. Practically, the only sensible connection is the Zakopane-Poprad line, operated by the Strama company, running only in summer holidays.

In Łysa Polana/Jaworzyna Tatrzańska, there are bus stops very close to the border at both sides. But the connections at the Slovakian side are very rare, like three or four departures and arrivals in a day, while at the Polish side they are frequent, but they have no timetable and they close quite early in the evening.

The bus stop at the Polish side - you can even see a bus: https://goo.gl/maps/ogfRZ8hcHqH2

The Slovakian "zastavka": https://goo.gl/maps/2xJDDwQn3ZS2

The word "zastavka" is one of those which show why Czech or Slovakian is funny for us, Polish-speaking people "Zastawka" is in Polish a medical term, it's one of the things in your heart which opens and closes, so that the blood can flow in only one direction (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heart_valve - it seems that English people call it just a valve, but we don't call it a valve, like one on a pipeline, in Polish). For Czechs and Slovaks it's a public transport stop

Our authorities claim that the EU doesn't allow creating such connections, but it's not true, the EU encourages to do it. But, the politicians must always find an excuse.

This is the action: https://www.facebook.com/polskaslowacja/

On our side, the main problem is that our authorities usually do not subsidize the bus transportation at all, except for bigger towns and cities. But it's rather rare in village areas. On the other hand, Slovakia forbids so called cabotage, they don't want Polish private operators make competition to Slovak subsidized local bus lines - because Slovaks subsidize local bus transportation.

By the way... Rysy mountain at the Slovak side:


(photo Małgorzata Smyk)

It's next to the "Pod Rysami" mountain hut. Located here: https://goo.gl/maps/v9sdcdvxwWJ2

Unfortunately, people report that they waited long for the bus and no bus appeared

http://phototrans.pl/14,799005,0,Prz...od_Rysmi_.html
http://hemli-w-gorach.blogspot.com/2...od-rysami.html

"Zastavka na znamenie" - "request stop".
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