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Old December 3rd, 2004, 05:52 PM   #21
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Tampa is an okay city. I have not lived in other cities, so I cannot accurately compare.

The cons are the suburbia (slowly changing), lack of mass-transit, education, humid weather, and provincial-minded Republicans.

The pros are the beaches, Orlando in the other direction, Ybor, Hyde Park, and a good economy. I find that there are lots of friendly people here. Certainly more than California or the Northeast. Cars yield to you if you want to change lanes.

The city is slowly urbanizing with numerous condos being built downtown, people are slowly getting more sophisicated while embracing sushi and tapas restaurants.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 06:06 PM   #22
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You left out the part about the provincial-minded Democrats. That should stand as a significant negative.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 06:09 PM   #23
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I guess everyone is provincial-minded in Tampa then Dale
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 06:16 PM   #24
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 06:39 PM   #25
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Many of the cons are correct . . but I take issue with Sushi, tapas and sophistication. IF eating spanish (no Cuban or south American, though there is an abundanceof that as well) food were a sign of sophistication Tampa would be one of the most sophisticated cities in America.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 06:52 PM   #26
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I think tapas are the new sushi to yuppies
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 08:08 PM   #27
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That may be so, but I'll take a full Spanish meal for $5 over half a plate of one tapa item for $10 any day.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 09:10 PM   #28
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smiley, wouldn't you say its good to have the option of both? Its still surprising how behind Florida can be considering our population. Luckily things are on the fast track all over.

btw, Republicans aren't provincial, they are puritanical...far more dangerous.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 09:24 PM   #29
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'puritanical' is just another one of those reflexive, bludgeoning terms we use when we've lost the debate.

And if by the term you mean 'coercive', then I have to tell you that Democrats are by no means averse to coercing.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 09:36 PM   #30
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puritanical means they follow conservative Christian values Dale

don't be so partisan.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 09:38 PM   #31
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^ loureed, thank you.

Dale, if you don't know what Puritanical means, read the Scarlet Letter. It is perhaps the least "reflexive" word in the English language.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 09:42 PM   #32
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Unfortunately, Tampa does have more than its fair share of rednecks and Republicans, but then again Florida is in the South, least you forget, so it should be expected. The most disappointing thing for tourists and out-of-staters is probably that they expect it to be like Orlando (more precisely, Disney World and its environs) where everything looks polished and brand new. Although we do have Busch Gardens and the beaches a deceitful 25 miles away, tourism has not been the main factor in shaping Tampa. It has always been more of industrial, blue collar town. Currently, though, I think we are in the midst of a shift in these demographics. Hopefully if we stay on the right track and attract stable companies we will prosper in the future.

As far as roads and traffic, New Tampa looks like it was paved yesterday, but just about everywhere else, road quality and efficiency sucks. Frankly, I don't plan on spending the rest of my life here, once I graduate and all. And part of that decision is because of some of the things this Phoenix guy quoted, as well as an urge to experience new places, where its less humid, more liberal and more urban amongst other things. But I'll always have a certain fondness for Tampa, I suppose. Maybe I'll come back when it has matured and moved farther away from the equator.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 09:48 PM   #33
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I find that those who grew up in Tampa want to get the hell out, and Northerners are like, "Oh, the weather and beaches are so nice."


Potential places for Lou Reed in the future; Philadelphia, Manchester , Vancouver, Denver, and Seattle. oh, and New York.
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^ loureed, thank you.

Dale, if you don't know what Puritanical means, read the Scarlet Letter. It is perhaps the least "reflexive" word in the English language.
You're boxed in. If it only means Christian values, then why would you oppose them ? Bigotry ? And if it means moralistic and given to ostricism, then that sounds very much like lots of Democrats I know.
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Old December 3rd, 2004, 09:54 PM   #35
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^ loureed, thank you.

Dale, if you don't know what Puritanical means, read the Scarlet Letter. It is perhaps the least "reflexive" word in the English language.
The Dems in California released a report about how the Sex Ed. material of some districts included universally true facts like;

HIV can be transferred by rubbing against another through sweat.

1/2 of gay young men have HIV.
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I prefer not to get into a political debate (it almost seems impossible these days) but what I was taught growing up was that "morals" were honesty, generousity, fairness, curiousity, courage, etc., not religious values like eating no pork on Fridays, or not swearing on Sundays, or keeping the lights off on Saturdays...the republican party was very good in this past election at distorting the meaning of "morals" as meaning "conservative Christian values". And that is fine, because we don't live in a country where a president needs to appeal to the logic of the people when he can appeal to their fears (religion fits nicely in this category).

And as far as ostricism goes, I do believe its the Republican party that is known for ostricising, or at very least ignoring, outcast minority groups in this country. Let our last election and the shifting oppressive views of the Bible belt be a testament to that.
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The Dems in California released a report about how the Sex Ed. material of some districts included universally true facts like;

HIV can be transferred by rubbing against another through sweat.

1/2 of gay young men have HIV.
Huh ?

Oh, and stop calling me 'partisan', you Kerry campaign worker.

Sorry, there's no reason I should be irritable today. My football gators got the coach they wanted !!!

I love liberals !
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I prefer not to get into a political debate (it almost seems impossible these days) but what I was taught growing up was that "morals" were honesty, generousity, fairness, curiousity, courage, etc., not religious values like eating no pork on Fridays, or not swearing on Sundays, or keeping the lights off on Saturdays...the republican party was very good in this past election at distorting the meaning of "morals" as meaning "conservative Christian values". And that is fine, because we don't live in a country where a president needs to appeal to the logic of the people when he can appeal to their fears (religion fits nicely in this category).

And as far as ostricism goes, I do believe its the Republican party that is known for ostricising, or at very least ignoring, outcast minority groups in this country. Let our last election and the shifting oppressive views of the Bible belt be a testament to that.
Your argument is a caricature. You're behind the times, friend.
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Potential places for Lou Reed in the future; Philadelphia, Manchester , Vancouver, Denver, and Seattle. oh, and New York.
Agreed, I would add London and Boston to the list, but may I ask why you're fond of Manchester?
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Your argument is a caricature. You're behind the times, friend.
I am? I live in Massachusetts.

Respond with meaning or just ignore my comments.
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