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Old January 12th, 2016, 03:30 AM   #2101
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"decide whether to exercise its option to develop the new airport"

So this means it still might not happen ?

Sydney Airport Co. has first rights to ownership and operation.
If Sydney Airport Co. doesn't exercise the option, it will be open to other organisations to tender for its development and operation. There is also the option that the federal government could own and operate it.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 03:32 AM   #2102
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Second Sydney Airport

Edit: beat me to it

Like he said, it means Sydney Airport have the first option to develop and own it, if they decline the option it will then be put out to tender, I'm assuming the government will own and develop it during the initial years, but once it's established and operating at a reasonable level it will be sold.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 03:35 AM   #2103
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"decide whether to exercise its option to develop the new airport"

So this means it still might not happen ?
When the Howard government was selling Sydney airport they maximised the price they would get by giving the operators a monopoly in the Sydney region. As part of that, the owners of Sydney airport get first right of refusal for any new airport.

If the owners of the current Sydney airport refuse the deal, then the same deal is opened up to other investors.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 04:13 AM   #2104
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A text book example on how to stuff up a privatization. Sydney is the most expensive airport (for passengers and for airlines) in Australia's major cities, in part due to the monopoly position of Sydney Airport Corp.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 04:24 AM   #2105
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Old January 12th, 2016, 08:34 AM   #2106
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A text book example on how to stuff up a privatization. Sydney is the most expensive airport (for passengers and for airlines) in Australia's major cities, in part due to the monopoly position of Sydney Airport Corp.
Your joking right?
Selling a monopoly realised a much higher price. As far as governments are concerned, privatization is about getting the max amount of money. They don't care about setting up competition, however desirable that might be.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 08:50 AM   #2107
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Well, Government essentially moved the costs from taxes to significantly higher charges for passengers.

What (defendable) protections did the government require of the Airport owners to ensure they don't rip of the customers?


I generally wouldn't care, except well functioning and affordable airports are very important for the economy of the city. This economic impact then has to made up by the government that got a little extra sugar hit of cash.


Even most of the American airports are government owned. The land of privatisation.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 08:51 AM   #2108
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Your joking right?
Selling a monopoly realised a much higher price. As far as governments are concerned, privatization is about getting the max amount of money. They don't care about setting up competition, however desirable that might be.
Very, very true.

The Melbourne Port lease is a perfect example of this currently. The barriers to competition will be far too high to jump over just to make more $$ at the contract signing.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 10:47 AM   #2109
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Even most of the American airports are government owned. The land of privatisation.
And awful! Australia's privately owned and operated airports are head and shoulders ahead of most American government owned shit holes!
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Old January 12th, 2016, 11:09 AM   #2110
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LAX is quite good now. SLC is a very good airport for its size. SEA was also good. Yes there are some bad ones, but Sydney is really quite ordinary and you pay for the privilege.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 12:35 PM   #2111
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LAX is quite good now. SLC is a very good airport for its size. SEA was also good. Yes there are some bad ones, but Sydney is really quite ordinary and you pay for the privilege.
As a regular traveler through LAX only the Tom Bradley terminal is good (great actually) and this happens to be a public private partnership between the airport and Westfield. The other terminals are still awful. Sydney airport is also a step above almost all NYC area terminals, all owned and operated by the cash starved Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. The only decent terminals in the NYC area are the individual airline developed and operated ones, such as T5 at JFK (JetBlue).

Maybe that is a better model - PPP where government retains ownership but a private partner has a master concession to develop and operate retail and food in return for better passenger facilities?
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Old January 12th, 2016, 12:48 PM   #2112
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Completely agree.

Tom Bradley is a great way to experience LAX...until you transfer to another terminal and suddenly realise how shit the overall LAX experience is...especially when your flight is cancelled.
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Old January 12th, 2016, 01:01 PM   #2113
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As a regular traveler through LAX only the Tom Bradley terminal is good (great actually) and this happens to be a public private partnership between the airport and Westfield. The other terminals are still awful. Sydney airport is also a step above almost all NYC area terminals, all owned and operated by the cash starved Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. The only decent terminals in the NYC area are the individual airline developed and operated ones, such as T5 at JFK (JetBlue).

Maybe that is a better model - PPP where government retains ownership but a private partner has a master concession to develop and operate retail and food in return for better passenger facilities?
Agree 100%

All the NYC airports are awful

Sydney gets way too bad a rap IMO. It's very central to the city, it doesn't suffer too badly from ATC delays given the number of flights, it has a direct rail service to city (albeit not frequent enough and too expensive for multiple travellers), the whole immigration/quarantine BS is made as simple and well organised as it possibly could be given Australia's stringent regulations and high level of border scrutiny, the domestic terminals work well in terms of swift throughput of pax both in and out (once in the building), the public spaces themselves are reasonably light and airy - there's no pits of doom like LHR terminal 3, parking at international is right on the airport, a walk from the terminal (yeah it's quite expensive but by international comparisons it's not bad and a hell of a lot more convenient. Again, try LHR or NYC - or many Asian airports)

The only thing that really sucks is traffic around the domestic terminals. Crap layout, crap organisation, crap everything
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Old January 12th, 2016, 09:34 PM   #2114
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I actually didn't find the domestic LAX too bad. I was using Delta.

Agree about NYC. Awful.

I also agree that the PPP approach is likely to be the best. To me it's the outside of the terminal component that really let's Sydney down (the stuff they can charge for regardless of how good or bad it is).

Also, if Sydney and Brisbane were publicly owned, you would have seen rail go in much earlier at a much cheaper price.
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Old January 13th, 2016, 02:00 AM   #2115
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I actually didn't find the domestic LAX too bad. I was using Delta.

Agree about NYC. Awful.

I also agree that the PPP approach is likely to be the best. To me it's the outside of the terminal component that really let's Sydney down (the stuff they can charge for regardless of how good or bad it is).

Also, if Sydney and Brisbane were publicly owned, you would have seen rail go in much earlier at a much cheaper price.
Didn't the rail line to Sydney airport actually get built before the airport was sold? The line was opened in time for the Olympics but I didn't think the airport was sold until 2002.
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I actually didn't find the domestic LAX too bad. I was using Delta.

Agree about NYC. Awful.
Perhaps it just SEEMED OK because you were using Delta and you'd been softened up a bit ;-)
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Ha ha. Touche!

To be honest, we just sat there and drank affordable craft beer.
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Federal Major Projects Minister Paul Fletcher will announce on Friday the next round of local road projects in western Sydney to be funded as part of the Western Sydney Infrastructure Plan, a 10-year strategy aimed at increasing road capacity around the proposed Badgerys Creek airport site.

The second round of projects are worth about $65 million, a significant portion of the $200 million allocated to the five stage Western Sydney Local Road Package by the federal government.

Four of the nine announced local road upgrades are located on Erskine Park Road, dividing the suburbs of Erskine Park and St Clair. A further two will be located at intersections on Camden Valley Way.

Both roads will serve as arterial roads leading to major road projects, the Northern Road and proposed M12 motorway, adjacent to the Badgerys Creek site.

NSW Roads Minister Duncan Gay said local councils were closely consulted in the selection of the project sites.

"The Australian and NSW governments will continue to work closely to progress planning for the new Western Sydney Airport at Badgerys Creek, which will be central to economic growth and the ongoing creation of jobs in our local communities," he said.
Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/major-proj...#ixzz3y0MBvPfC
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