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Old November 19th, 2007, 06:05 AM   #21
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1990 2,783,726 3
2000 2,896,016 3
2003 2,869,121 3
2006 2,873,321 3
2003-6 are projections and I do not believe them. Hell we might be at 2.95 something million right now. That is why I am an advocate for challenging them and winning like every city that has challenged them.

But if of Chicago really is losing population all one has to do is look at where the public housing projects went.

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Old November 19th, 2007, 09:28 PM   #22
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can someone elaborate on this? Why is this happening, where are the people going, etc.
People are being priced out of the city. Rising property values and taxes are forcing them into the south suburbs, and probably to a lesser extent the west suburbs. This isn't just about public housing residents, it's people in neighborhoods like Woodlawn and Austin. The people replacing those who are forced out have smaller families and combine multiple units into single residences; in addition, there have been teardowns that are replaced by lower-density housing. I don't know of any sources that have good data on the extent of all these trends.
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Old November 20th, 2007, 03:05 AM   #23
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I fully expect to see at least some level of annexation over the next 20 years (possibly of the communities around O'Hare, haha). It won't be much, but I'd bet that as the inner-ring suburbs deal with decline on an increasing scale, at least one or two will wish to join Chicago to take advantage of a superior police force and the amenities that being part of the city entails.

The annexations should bring us close to 3 million, but if the city is ever to pass that milestone, it needs good, honest densification.
I seriously doubt you will see annexation in the next 20 years. Several of the inner suburbs contain as much poverty as many Chicago neighborhoods. They might want to be annexed, but why Chicago want them?

You're unlikely to see a true regional government in the next 20 years, because the wealthy suburbs aren't going to want to share with Chicago. Still, I'd rate this as more likely than Chicago annexing a Harvey, IL. Chicago has some economic leverage over the 'burbs that may (very longshot) make it happen. What do the poorer 'burbs have?
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Old November 20th, 2007, 03:33 AM   #24
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can someone elaborate on this? Why is this happening, where are the people going, etc....
When I was in high school in the 1970's, in those neighborhoods of the South Side,where there were two flats there would be a six-person family in each of the flats. Likewise, there would be roughly six people in each single family home. Now there are two people or one person in each flat or there are two people in each home, often elderly, while their grandkids are out in Orland Park, etc.

The point about the CHA sites and other African-American neighborhoods getting emptied out is also important. A lot of African-Americans have settled out in Harvey, Country Club Hills, etc., out south and out west in Maywood, etc.

Sure, our downtown is getting a lot of new residents, but out in the neighborhoods, especially outlying neighborhoods, there are far fewer persons-per-household than in decades past.
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Old December 1st, 2007, 06:51 AM   #25
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People are being priced out of the city. Rising property values and taxes are forcing them into the south suburbs, and probably to a lesser extent the west suburbs. This isn't just about public housing residents, it's people in neighborhoods like Woodlawn and Austin. The people replacing those who are forced out have smaller families and combine multiple units into single residences; in addition, there have been teardowns that are replaced by lower-density housing. I don't know of any sources that have good data on the extent of all these trends.
I have to agree. Many parts of Chicago are being transformed, and middle to lower income families are moving to places like Aurora, Elgin, Joliet, Waukegan, and the likes where homes are cheaper and taxes are lower. At the same time, other parts of Chicago are having a population explosion including the Southwest side around Midway, thanks to a Hispanic boom. Is it enough to counter the decreasing (supposedly) African American populations? Don't know.....


To answer the question if Chicago should challenge the census count. Of course they should. I think that the 2000 census missed at least 100,000 people. What is the current population of the city of Chicago? It could be anywhere from 2.8 million on the lower end, to 3 million on the higher end. We shall see in 2010.
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Old December 1st, 2007, 07:51 AM   #26
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To answer the question if Chicago should challenge the census count. Of course they should. I think that the 2000 census missed at least 100,000 people. What is the current population of the city of Chicago? It could be anywhere from 2.8 million on the lower end, to 3 million on the higher end. We shall see in 2010.[/QUOTE]

Yes we should challenge the census esp. the estimates.

But how to we get this thing started? Can not someone inside the Chicago political circle inquire about some of the cities that have successfully challenged the census and won, ala sending a delegation to said cities like they are doing for the current 2016 Olympic bid?

Why wait until 2010 to prove the politically motivated skew that the census puts out methodically to screw the blue northern cities?
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Cities like Detroit and Milwaukee do it for pride. Chicago, on the other hand, is simply to big and complex to worry over an issue like census inaccuracies.

There's no reason for Chicago to challenge the census with 2010 around the corner anyway. And even if Chicago shows a gain, that can actually spell bad news for the city in terms of spending obligations. For instance, they might be forced by the feds to subsidize low-middle income housing based on revised estimates, money which the city will have a hard time finding. Chicago has been more than happy to shove those problems to places like Aurora and Joliet.

Cook County is undoubtedly shrinking. Immigrants are instead heading straight for burbs in the collar counties simply because that's where most of the jobs are being created, and white flight is still taking place, just like it has been for the past few decades. Is there any part of Cook County that's actually growing besides downtown Chicago, Barrington, and Orland Park?
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Hasn't New York consistently challenged their census count? They're bigger and more complex than our fair city.
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Old December 2nd, 2007, 08:16 AM   #29
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Cook County is undoubtedly shrinking.
Well, that might be the case, but throughout the 1990's the US census claimed that both Chicago and Cook were shrinking. In 2000 they both showed an increase.

Other factors (that you addressed) are effecting Chicago and Cook County's population, now that weren't so prevalent during the 1990's.
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http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...ragments*.html

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