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Old November 8th, 2011, 04:48 PM   #141
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what part of flagship makes you think the developers dont want to make the best use of this building?!?!

and again, this hotel can NEVER be a 5 star hotel as i stated above

dear lord, some people here need to stop thinking of birmingham always as the victim with a 'grass is always greener..' outlook... its gets so boring!
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Old November 8th, 2011, 04:59 PM   #142
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what part of flagship makes you think the developers dont want to make the best use of this building?!?!

and again, this hotel can NEVER be a 5 star hotel as i stated above

dear lord, some people here need to stop thinking of birmingham always as the victim with a 'grass is always greener..' outlook... its gets so boring!
ARRGGGGHH!! Someone's actually making sense!! Arrrgggghhh stop woody, it burns!!!

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Old November 8th, 2011, 08:17 PM   #143
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The Grand is an epitomy of all thats wrong with Bham. A beautiful landmark building and the accountants and idiots that "plan" this city would LOVE to trash it and build some crappy concrete box. It would be another nail in BHam's coffin.



Did anyone actually notice that? A FLAGSHIP 3 STAR HOTEL?
What next? Bham Town Hall becomes a "flagship youth hostel"?
THIS is why Bham gets slaughtered in Tripadvisor!

So Birmingham gets slaughtered becouse it is bringing one of its best loved buildings back into use ????? LOL
Tripadvisor ignores Brum cause there a load of dicks, thats why.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 08:21 PM   #144
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And we are not "slaughtered" becouse we are not really even featured in there guide, so i suppose it could be worse and loads of bad stuff written about Brum.

Anyway i think it could be very flagship, i mean this building alone is gawjus and if we get somebody like that "newish" german hotel group which only really have hotels in london, then this could be very flagship indeed and a nice little addition to our hotel offerings along with Hotel Du Vin, down the road.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 08:54 PM   #145
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what part of flagship makes you think the developers dont want to make the best use of this building?!?!

and again, this hotel can NEVER be a 5 star hotel as i stated above

dear lord, some people here need to stop thinking of birmingham always as the victim with a 'grass is always greener..' outlook... its gets so boring!
are you still a mod on here? You don't seem to do very much.
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Old November 8th, 2011, 09:01 PM   #146
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indeed i am
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Old November 8th, 2011, 10:04 PM   #147
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So watch what you say Lizzy ??

Dont be so cheaky
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Old November 8th, 2011, 10:22 PM   #148
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Great news and a nice surprise too!

Demo Dan actually makes a very valid point - Brum has never been a city that has been planned by sympathetic designers but by, as he says, a bunch of accountants, plus idiotic councillors and a mad Italian called Manzoni!
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Old November 8th, 2011, 10:54 PM   #149
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yeah... 5o years ago... surely we should be over it now!!!
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Old November 9th, 2011, 12:12 AM   #150
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Many hotels do not get involved in the star system these days. Does Hotel du Vin have a star rating?

The article mentions drawing inspiration from Browns in Mayfair which doesn't have any stars either, but seems to be well regarded.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #151
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Front page story in today's Birmingham Post is the £30m proposal to turn the Grand into a 5 star hotel by "one of the worlds top hotel brands". Nice image of the new entrance on Church Street with a ornate glass canopy. 152 rooms and suites, two rooftop terrances, recreated grand staircase. Plans on show at 23 Colmore Row on 11th & 12th January. Open by Christmas next year.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 10:58 AM   #152
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More on that...from BP....follow the links for pictures...

£30m plan to restore Birmingham's Grand hotel to former gloriesBy Alun Thorne

Jan 5 2012

Artist's impression of how the Grand Hotel, in Birmingham, will look after developmentThe owners of what was once Birmingham’s most iconic hotel have unveiled a £30 million scheme that they hope will bring it back to its former glory almost a decade after it was forced to close its doors.

If approved by city planners, the Grand on Colmore Row will be transformed into a luxury five-star hotel with 152 rooms and eight new suites while restoring its listed facade, renovating its famous Grosvenor Suite and recreating its main “Grand” staircase.

With plans set to be submitted, subject to consultation, within weeks, Tony Green, chief executive of hotel owner Hortons, believes it is a scheme that will put the building back where it belongs.

“Of equal significance to the bedrooms and the facade is the hotel’s role in the city,” said Mr Green.

“When people talk about the Grand it is not about the bedrooms but it’s about the historic meeting that was held here or who stayed here at such a time.

"Yes, we are doing all this to the hotel but of equal importance is creating a place where great and good Brummies can come together and that can only be done by creating a great hotel again.”

While Hortons will not reveal details, it is understood that one of the biggest hotel brands in the world is waiting in the wings to sign up to operate the hotel if Birmingham City Council gives the proposals the go-ahead – a far cry from when the hotel faced partial demolition nearly a decade ago after its previous operator had financial troubles and the building fell into increasing disrepair.

In the end the crumbling facade along Colmore Row, along with the magnificent Grosvenor Suite, were listed following a campaign led by the Victorian Society and while offices and shops have remained in use, the hotel has remained empty with safety netting along the length of the building to protect pedestrians from the risk of falling masonry.

The Grand was given new hope at the end of last year when Hortons announced that a restoration programme carried out by Arup and Linford had successfully restored a section of the facade that conserved its original character and despite the huge costs of the restoration, Hortons has decided to attempt to bring the hotel back to life.

However, Mr Green is clear that there is still a long way to go in the project, although with no hitches he believes it could be open to the public again by Christmas 2013.

“What we have done now is devise a plan to reintroduce the former hotel which we believe can be implemented in a commercially viable way but there is a long way to go before we get permission for these plans,” he said.

“We have the designs but until we get planning we are nowhere. If we do get support, we need sign off from the Secretary of State which can’t be taken for granted.

“If all of this is achieved we then need to find a hotel operator and a building contractor who can undertake such a highly specialised contract at a price which enables the project to remain financially viable and hope the economy remains stable.

"To achieve all of these things is a huge challenge but we are committed to following the process to the end, whatever that is.”

Under the proposals – which will be available to view in full at 23 Colmore Row on January 11 and 12 – the hotel will see the number of rooms reduced from 230 to 152, with air conditioning throughout, with eight new suites – including two with roof terraces in previously unusable roof space.


The scheme will also see the creation of a terrace in the central courtyard, a hotel bar and restaurant accessed from Colmore Row and making use of the double height space beneath, which was latterly the Birmingham Press Club, and a standalone bar or restaurant on the corner of Church Street and Barwick Street.

The shops on Colmore Row will also be refurbished and new office space will be created in Barwick Street while the main entrance to the hotel will be moved to Church Street.

The reduction in rooms at the hotel reflects the fact that many of the old bedrooms came without bathrooms so as part of the new scheme, three bedrooms will become two with the middle bedroom split into two bathrooms.

However, some rooms in the Martin and Chamberlain section of the hotel will remain the same. The main change to the hotel will be the addition of the suites in the roof space, a move made necessary as to utilise the existing rooms would have meant losing six to eight rooms per suite, making the entire scheme commercially unviable.

“We need to make the hotel befitting of the name and modern expectations,” said Mr Green.

“So we need to create a certain number of suites and we have looked long and hard at how we can accommodate them within the building. We believe these will be the best in the city and what you would expect from a hotel like the Grand.”

Throughout the process Hortons has worked closely with Birmingham City Council, the Victorian Society and English Heritage and chairman of the planning committee Peter Douglas Osborn said he was looking forward to examining the new proposals.

He said: “A few years ago we had a planning application to demolish the Grand Hotel. A great deal of pressure was put on the owners by the planning department and conservation lobby not to demolish.

“We are very pleased and grateful that they did not. It is a superb example of Birmingham’s high Victorian architectural heritage. Not only is it a very beautiful building, it is also a deliberate result of municipal forethought by Joseph Chaimberlain who laid out the plots for Colmore Row in 1875.

"We are now awaiting the planning application with great interest.”




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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:06 AM   #153
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THE Grand Hotel in Birmingham’s Colmore Row may soon be redeveloped, according to reports.

It is understood that owner Hortons Estate has drawn up plans for a £30m revamp which will include retaining its listed features. The hotel has been out of use for decades, partly because of restrictions on its development imposed by its listed status.

But now plans to turn it into a luxury 152 room hotel with a new main entrance on Church Street are to be submitted to Birmingham City Council and reports suggest that a well-known international hotel operator is showing interest in the project.

It is reported that the shops which form part of the hotel on Colmore Row will also be refurbished.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:10 AM   #154
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this is amazing news, and even better if a true 'five star' hotel can be delivered to the city...

with the loss of the westin hotel in snowhill and the fact that birmingham still doesnt have brands like the hilton in the city, this hotel, its architecture, location and appearence is an amazing oportunity in my eyes!
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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:27 AM   #155
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Despite what has been said in the Birmingham Post I do not believe that the Grand will become a 5 star hotel as the building cannot accomodate all of the features necessary to achieve such a status.

From what I understand of the plans it is the intention to make the facilities provided of a 5 star standard which is not quite the same thing!

As has been said previously many hotels do not categorise themselves with stars anymore, I would not be surprised if this was the case with the Grand as well.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:35 AM   #156
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Yeah doesn't it need parking to be a 5 star? It seems to small to contain that
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Old January 5th, 2012, 11:56 AM   #157
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Old January 5th, 2012, 12:02 PM   #158
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Indeed parking is required. For many years (not now though), The Midland in Manchester was of 5* standard internally. However, as it used the gmex carpark for it's parking, it did not qualify. Like has been said by others, some hotel chains attain the standard, but don't seek the official accreditation. Problem is, the grand can't tick all the boxes to claim 5* status.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 12:05 PM   #159
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Finally some good news on this, proposal look good so far.
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so glad this is now one step closer looking forward to seeing the scaffold come down, Ive never actually seen the building without it
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