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Old July 6th, 2012, 09:58 AM   #1
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Came across Khajuraho temples thread in the Int'l forum..

Just realized how liberal ( in the context of sex) the society in those days should have been to openly have such a huge number erotic figurines carved in the temple structure. Even the present day Western world wouldn't attempt to have such erotic images in their churches..

Dunno when and how did our society turn so 'conservative' in this regard so much so that boys and girls are not even allowed to speak in a few Chennai colleges!!
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As I said earlier, our Culture was more evolved than the others and knowledge also far advanced than others.

Moghuls invasion & East India Company & the English wiped all the treasures off both material & knowledge. We were forced to follow Victorian ideals & Church ideals which had almost opposite views compared to ours. Missionary Sex is what was preached to us.

AFAIK In Sri Rangam, Kancheepuram & Srivilliputtur, they stored the idols, jewels, scriptures all in Underground during these invasions. Some of them survived the time. Tanjore Library had many of them.

Do you know that most of the sexy carvings, sculpture & writings were made actually by Jain & Buddhist Bikshus who renounced Sex ?. That was a test for them it seems. They have to carve / write but not practice.

Our school days sojourns in and around the temples in Srivilliputtur were mainly scouting for these types of statues & carvings. Once we were caught by our school teacher and punished.

One of my mates is still around to show them to tourists and earn money as a Guide.
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As I said earlier, our Culture was more evolved than the others and knowledge also far advanced than others.

Moghuls invasion & East India Company & the English wiped all the treasures off both material & knowledge. We were forced to follow Victorian ideals & Church ideals which had almost opposite views compared to ours. Missionary Sex is what was preached to us.
That is indeed sad.. But, on topic, the western world is much much more liberal when it comes to sex even though they are a product of christian ideology. How come our society turned so conservative? The things happening in 'J' colleges in chennai are really sad to hear.. North India is better in this regard though it was the North which bore the maximum brunt of invasions. Tamil society in general is very conservative in this regard as far as I have seen.

It would be interesting to know the kind of society in Chola, Pandya times and status of women and sex during their period!


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Do you know that most of the sexy carvings, sculpture & writings were made actually by Jain & Buddhist Bikshus who renounced Sex ?. That was a test for them it seems. They have to carve / write but not practice.
Aiyoo.. Idhu romba kodumaiya iruku!! Adhuku 'J' colleges eh parava illa polaiye..

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Our school days sojourns in and around the temples in Srivilliputtur were mainly scouting for these types of statues & carvings. Once we were caught by our school teacher and punished.

One of my mates is still around to show them to tourists and earn money as a Guide.
Sir.. Chinna vayasula periya aala irundurippinga pola!! No wonder they named u 'Kannan'!
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Old July 6th, 2012, 11:01 AM   #3
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I do not accept that Western world is liberal in all aspects. Still there is heavy opposition to Abortion in USA, where in India, we do not even consider that as an issue.

Reg Sex, West has more Perverted practices now which can not be considered as Liberal. India had much more than that centuries ago including its share of Perversion. But it was discussed openly and displayed openly. Kama Sutra still lives to tell the tale.

Christian Influence was more in South (and North East now) and West, North & Central were not affected much. But you may see Islamic Culture influencing them more.

Kerala Atharvana Veda (which talks of Science, Technology, Medicine etc) exponents & Ayurved Doctors were systematically killed / sidelined / maimed by the Britishers & Missioneries. They were categorised as Uncivilized and Kaattumirandis and excommunicated.

MeCaulay system was brought in to produce English knowing subservient clerks. Brahmins who were more among the Vedic experts were targeted specifically and were given Govt jobs so that they do not get into Vedas & Medicine. Then the Britishers helped to create opposition to Brahmins (like Justice Party) so that both are acting counter to each other and not grow (together). They could not do much in North & Central India since the people there were not not so educated nor had the guts to break away from the tradition. (Divide & Rule Policy)

One good thing about USA (Not British) Edu system is that they practice what India was doing long back (But not now). Question any thing & every thing & Answer & Discussion type teaching and not Rote model.

Upanishads which are called Upa Vedas are nothing but these types of discussions. You may find the best quality arguments for Atheist views in Ramayana & Mahabharatha. The Guru's job is to make the students to think and come out with all possible answers.

Debates were encouraged and you may have come across the famous dabates Adhi Shankara had with many opponents. Even the Chinese scholars came all the way to Nalanda, Varanasi & Kanchi to participate in these debates so that they could learn more & better.
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Old July 6th, 2012, 07:50 PM   #4
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Lingam everyone knows.. But,Yoni?? Whats that? never heard of it before..
Yoni is where Lingam sits...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoni
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Yoni is where Lingam sits...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yoni
Oh!! First time hearing this term.. TFS
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Really our ancestors had understood sex in a more sensible manner than anybody today...WoW

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Really our ancestors had understood sex in a more sensible manner than anybody today...WoW
that is what "nature"'s power boss. imagine.. Adam/Eve-ku yethavadu koil irunthucha, book irunthucha ille CD irunthucha?

coming back to sculptures in temple towers, pillars.. did anyone visited "Aavudaiyar koil" near pudukottai or Dharasuram temple?
1 of the best example of sculptures. am not underestimating Mamallapuram, but Aavudaiyar koil, Dharasuram temples are not properly campaigned for Tourism. there are lot more temples, which we never heard of contains beautiful sculptures.
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@ Yoni:

Murlee - Neenga innum neraya Infra thavira matra vishayangalyum padiyunga

Yoni Pooja is the ultimate and namma ancestors ellarum adhila multiple PhD.
(Please do not confuse the word Pooja with the ritualistic kind - here it means how to handle Yoni)

Sakthi Worship is the symbolic of the same. Ilai maraivu Kayaga......

No other religion in the world so openly worship Lingam & Yoni as Hindus do since they are the Fountainhead for Human race.

As Indian Sun said earlier - Hinduism is the Open Source Religion.

@ Samiyars:

Hindu will have 4 stages in his life.
Brahmacharyam - Period till he gets married
Grahastham - Period of Productive phase of Married Life with Kids etc.
Vaanaprastham - Period of Family Life but without seeking Sex, money, career etc.
Sanyasam - Period when one renounces all worldly things and think only about the Knowledge & God.

For an ordinary Hindu, one has to go through the first 3 phases before becoming Samiyar.

In extreme cases, even after Sanyasam, sex is allowed. But then there will be a (higher level) purpose than mere pleasure like getting a son / daughter. The control of Sukram ( semen) - ie making it more potent and releasing the same at the right time - itself is a huge science mastered by these Sanyasis.

Once Adhi Sankaracharya was asked this question during a debate on Grahastham & Mukthi. " How can you - as a Sanyasi without any sexual experience - argue on Grahastham & MUkthi ?". He had to - Koodu Vittu Koodu panju - get into the body of a Grahasthan to know about sex. He themn came back and could answer all questions.

How is it possible to get into some other's body ?

I hope many of you has seen the Movie Inception. There it was about implanting an idea into others' minds.

Very similar to that. The soul gets replaced in the body for a short period.
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My daughter is still having thoppul kodi piece. it contracting year by year. But not got spoilt (rotten) i was wondering why it is so.
One of the Mystries of Nature

Another incident.

When they had to do some DNA test on somebody, the old man had his Arnal Kayaru Thayathu with his Thoppul Kodi. They also tested that and could administer the suitable treatment.
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No other religion in the world so openly worship Lingam & Yoni as Hindus do since they are the Fountainhead for Human race.
Shiva and Shakthi not only form the fountainhead of human race, but according to Yoga traditions and Shaivism, also form the fundamental of our reality/existence.

Let's see the comparisons of the Standard Model that was proved recently with the traditional knowledge...

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The Standard Model, formulated in the early sixties, is a theory to explain the nature and behaviour of the fundamental particles that make up protons, neutrons and electrons, which in turn make up everything we see around us. It deals with the particles themselves (six quarks and six leptons) as well as the forces (four in all) that act on them. However, for this theory to work, an assumption had to be made that all these fundamental particles are without mass. This was however just not true, because observation showed that quarks did have mass.

This is where Peter Higgs saved the day. He postulated that all particles are without mass until they interact with something called the Higgs Field; particles were massless when they were created at the Big Bang, but within a trillionth of a second, the Higgs Field spread throughout the universe and gave each particle its mass.
Now according to Yoga and Shaivism, (from www.mysticrebels.com/yogauniverse.htm and from my own minuscule knowledge/experience in this subject)

If we think back billions of years to before the moment of Creation, before even time itself, and ask our self, “From what did this Creation spring?”—the answer will be “Shiva.”

Shiva is not a “he,” “she,” or “it”; An entity so difficult is the task of describing Shiva; Sh-va means “that which is not", Shiva in essence is "nothing" but can also be "everything" and cannot be described in any terms within the grasp of human knowledge. Since Shiva is everything, he is also his own opposite. This means that Shiva can be both static and dynamic—motionless and active—simultaneously. Though it seems impossible to our rational 3-D mind that a single entity can display two such seemingly opposite characteristics at the same time.

Because it is so difficult for us to grasp the concept of the duality from non-duality of Shiva - being both motionless and in action at the same time, Shaivism takes pity on us and assigns a separate identity to each of these cosmic attributes. Thus, we now find two deities presiding over the supreme universal principle: Lord Shiva embodies the static (still/nothing) aspect, and the goddess Shakti, the dynamic aspect (energy/everything). Still, we must always remember that the two, in reality, are one—like the two faces of the same coin. Shiva and Shakti are depicted as male and female—cosmic mates—not because they unite in any sexual way but because they are permanently, eternally married. The sacred bond of marriage as we know it signifies a spiritual union between two human beings; on a mundane level the mates continue to exist as two separate individuals, but on a more subtle level they are one (That's why Shiva and Shakthi in pictures share the same body half and half)

According to Yogic philosophies and Shaivism, when Shakthi (energy - comparable to Higgs field in the Standard theory) danced around Shiva, who was in deep slumber (still entity - comparable to fundemental particles without mass in Standard model) he woke up with a roar and started to dance with her in anger (rudhra thandava - Big Bang) to form the reality (particles with mass) of the universe - From Nothing came something and everything.

Well, very compelling similarities when we think about it.....

Of course, Like anything else, it's up for interpretations (just presenting a view - no debates please!!!! religion/spirituality and politics....not my cup of tea for debates)

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Wow! Great read, though I'm still struggling to understand.
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My grouse is that
In India, we do not have a distinguished scientist with international credentials who is also well versed in Vedas & research or vice versa.

I tried with some of my cousins to get to the bottom of this but they all are tied to their jobs right now. They do not seem to have spare time nor energy to work overtime.

Dr Paramhans Tewari who headed the Kaiga Nuclear Plant has come closest so far. He does research on Perpetual Engine Concept advocated by Nikola Tesla. He also has great belief in our Ancient Hindu Wisdom on Universe & Energy.

http://www.tewari.org/

Paramahamsa Tewari was born on January 6, 1937, and graduated in Electrical Engineering in 1958 from Banaras Engineering College, India, and held responsible positions in large engineering construction organizations, mostly in Nuclear Projects of the Department of Atomic Energy, India. He was also deputed abroad for a year at Douglas Point Nuclear Project, Canada. He retired in 1997 from his position as Executive Nuclear Director, Nuclear Power Corporation, Department of Atomic Energy, India, and is the former Project Director of the Kaiga Atomic Power Project.

http://www.rexresearch.com/tewari/tewari.htm
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Spiritualism, Modern Science and Ancient History

http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_12.htm

"Ptolemy created a universe that lasted a thousand years. Copernicus created a universe that lasted four hundred years. Einstein has created a universe, and I can't tell you how long it will last." - George Bernard Shaw


"Despite all the greed, hatred and materialistic hullabaloo, many of us are feeling a need for an inner quest: What are we here for? Why so much misery and pain in life? Can we rise above this and make our lives more meaningful… can we?" -
Rakesh Maniktala

Spiritualism, Modern Science, Ancient History. These three words at one place might appear to many as highly unrelated – but they are as much related to each other as the three corners of an equilateral triangle. Without any one of the corners, the identity of the triangle itself (i.e. Humanity) would not be there.

Scientific advancement sans spirituality is like body without soul – the form of science we see today. It leads to a society with all the attributes of self-destruction: Greed, Selfishness, Intolerance and Bloated Egos. Today we have become slaves of the gadgets and scientific infrastructure we have put together for our service.

What humanity needs is a humane and progressive culture on Earth, where spiritualism and scientific development go hand in hand. A culture based on the principles of love, tolerance, brotherhood and a desire to grow, to move forward… And do we have any precedence for such a culture, such a society? That’s where ancient history comes into picture.

Human race on our planet Earth is very old, as discussed further in the "Beliefs" section. In ancient history, there have been times when our culture was highly advanced – scientifically as well as spiritually. The society was guided by highly evolved rishis (sages), master exponents of metaphysical skills who had conquered death through yoga and meditation. These sages, the great scientists, knew of environment friendly and unlimited resources of energy. People traveled to farthest stars and solar systems in sophisticated spacecraft, and by astral travelling. They had mastered anti-gravity, and had contacts with other advanced civilizations of the universe. But human culture and its development always follow a sine wave. People leave the middle path tilting more towards materialism, and knowledge decays. There were natural calamities due to toying with environment, and nuclear wars, resulting in total destruction. Radioactivity mutated human genes and so there were primitive Neanderthal men. And this has happened not once, but many a times in the past. Physical evidence for this might not be available today, but documentary information in symbolic or parable form is still available in some ancient Indian scriptures (Puranas), and in scriptures of other civilizations too.

Can We Revive Our Glorious Past?

To realize the dream of a spiritual-scientific culture on Earth, the spiritual level of the society has to go up. There must be a large number of people with high spiritual level to bring about a change at a very fast rate (referred to as a critical mass by some). This might sound difficult, but things are actually moving in a positive direction. Despite all the greed, hatred and materialistic hullabaloo, many of us are feeling a need for an inner quest: What are we here for? Why so much misery and pain in life? Can we rise above this and make our lives more meaningful… can we? This inner quest is actually helping us rise above the ordinary. And so the long queues at the doorsteps of Gurus and religious preachers.

But only the desire for an inner quest may not help much. To hasten the pace of this change, something more is required: dedicated and evolved groups of people, working specifically and steadfastly to bring about the change. And one of the paths for them is to look for scientific-spiritual advancements of the past.

To Find Scientific Advancements In Ancient History

A two pronged action plan is required for this:

One certain source of scientific knowledge is Vedas, the ancient Hindu scriptures, written in the ancient and sophisticated language of Sanskrit. Many other Sanskrit scriptures and ancient books from other parts of the world and in other languages may contain advanced scientific knowledge. Various research programs on Vedas are already in progress, here in India and abroad. Specific and coordinated research programs on such texts have to be initiated.

Scientific remains of certain ancient civilizations must still be hidden somewhere - beneath some ancient ruins, or pyramids, or in some caves/ highlands of Himalayas. Or there could be some ancient library, or manuscripts/ texts, which might have survived the ravages of Dark Age wars. These have to be traced - through dedication, meditation and intuition.
The aim of these words is to bring together all such like-minded people who resonate with these thoughts, to launch a concerted and dedicated effort in this direction (points 1 & 2 above).


The evidence for many of the ideas mentioned above might not be forthcoming, and so may appear to some of us as hypothetical, and based on wild imagination and faith. But imagination and faith are amongst the strongest forces of nature capable of doing many a miracles in life. So if we have faith in our imaginations and in our inner quests, we surely can do some miracles. Let’s come together. -- contd....
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God

There is one Supreme being, called by the names of GOD, the Parmatma (the soul of universe), the Almighty Lord. God is sat (truth), chitta (intelligence) and ananda (happiness). He is absolutely holy and wise. He is omnipresent, incorporeal, unborn, immense, omniscient, omnipotent, merciful and just. He is the creator, protector and destroyer of the worlds. He is the lord of the universe.1

There are three distinct eternal identities: (1) God, (2) Souls, (3) Prakriti – the material cause of the universe. All three have the attributes of eternal existence in common. But they differ in other respects. Matter is inanimate and inert while God is all-life and all-power. The soul is limited in its intelligence and powers, while god is unlimited. The soul is confined in a body – God pervades all space. The former is finite – the latter infinite.2

The Universe


In the early part of this century, two opposing theories about the origin of the universe were postulated. (1) The Steady State theory, which says the universe is never born, never dies, and is always like what it is. (2) The Big bang theory, which says the universe began with a point of energy exploding in a "big-bang". All the matter came into being from energy continuously expanding and changing form. Ultimately the expansion will stop and it will start contracting, ending into nothingness with a "big-crunch". What is before big-bang or after big crunch, the theory doesn’t know.

In reality, both the theories are correct. The universe begins from a point with a bang and ends in a point with a crunch. This duration we call one Kalpa (cosmos) or Brahma Diwas (eternal day). It is preceded and succeeded by an equal period during which matter lies in a dormant, inert state and that is called a Brahma Ratri i.e. a divine night (for the nature that sleeps as it were). All the souls also remain in a dormant state, a sort of hibernation, during this period. The evolution of cosmos from dormant state may be called a ‘creation’ or ‘srishti’, and its involution back into inert state is called dissolution (pralaya). As days and nights succeed each other, so do cosmos and divine nights in this eternal sinusoidal cycle of evolutions and involutions 3 (Figure 1).

All matter, i.e. nature, has three basic attributes/forces – satva, rajasa and tamasa. During brahma ratri, these forces remain in a balanced state. After the big bang, the three forces get realigned to form elementary particles called Mahat or Aapah, which combine further to form other basic particles, atoms and so on. 4

Figure 1

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A – "Big Bang"

B – "Big Crunch"

A to B – One "Kalpa"

Age of the Universe

The age of each Kalpa (eternal day) is 4.32 billion years (4,320,000,000 years). According to Hindu scriptures this is further subdivided as below:

1 Kalpa = 1000 Chaturyugis
= 14 Manvantars + Buffer Periods of 6 Chaturyugis
1 Manvantar = 71 Chaturyugis
1 Chaturyugi = 4,320,000 years
Of the 14 manvantars, the universe expands for the first seven, and contracts for the next seven.

Each chaturyugi is subdivided into four Yugas:

Krit yuga = 1,728,000 years
Treta yuga = 1,296,000 years
Dwapar yuga = 864,000 years
Kali yuga = 432,000 years
At present, kaliyuga of the 28th chaturyugi of the 7th manvantar is in progress. According to this calculation, 1,972,949,100 years have elapsed since the evolution of present cosmos began, and it has 2,347,050,900 years still to go before the "big-crunch". 5

The Earth

All planets prior to their formation are part of their parent stars, like the nine planets of our solar system were part of the Sun. After parting from the Sun, it took millions of years for our Earth to cool and become solid. The Earth is hollow inside, with a tiny white-dwarf "sun" at its center. Most of the other planets in this universe are hollow inside. And most of the planets are inhabited too, because the basic purpose of planets is to support life – as that of stars is to support planets. On a planet, both the outside surface and the inside surface, or any one of them, could be suitable for life. For our Earth, both the surfaces support life – in fact, the "inside world" (referred to as Pataal Loka in Hindu scriptures) is more suitable for life as is protected from outside natural calamities. 6

Life on Earth

Presently, the twenty eighth chaturyugi of the seventh manvantar is in its last phase. The Earth was formed in the second manvantar, while the Moon was formed in the third. Continents came out of the oceans in the fourth manvantar. Vegetation was born in the fifth, animals in sixth and humans at the beginning of the current seventh. So, human life on Earth is roughly 120 million years old.7

At first the humans were born by asexual means – in fully grown-up and knowledgeable state – in the Meru Parvat region in Himalayas (Tibet). They further carried on the chain of life through sexual means.8

At the birth of every cosmos the complete knowledge of God is transmitted in wave-form and spreads out with the expanding universe. This knowledge was received by the foremost of the earliest humans – the four rishis (sages) – through meditation, and given to the humankind in the form of the four Vedas. 9

Population increased, Vedic knowledge spread, and human society flourished. Since the very beginning, humanity has taken two paths, the Devas and the Asurs, the believers in God and the worshippers of nature, the good and the evil. The society got divided along these two paths. The Deva or Aryan culture believes in scientific development supported by equal spiritual enlightenment for the ultimate betterment of humanity. On the other hand, the Asur culture believes in extreme materialism and considers the nature to be all powerful, leading to usage of science for destructive purposes.10

The fight for supremacy between the two cultures, between good and bad, follows a sinusoidal path, and so do peace and wars, and the scientific and spiritual development of humanity. Today it’s the asur culture that is on top, but the fight is still on.

Human Body: Birth to Rebirth

What we call human body actually is a combination of three bodies

The Physical body (Sthula sharira), one which we ‘see’ and ‘feel’ with our senses.
The Astral body (Sukshma sharira), our higher dimension body, and connected with our physical body by means of an infinitely extensible ‘silver cord’ at the naval.
The Cause body (Karana sharira), much subtler than the astral body, plus the wave form record of all our Karma and desires (vasana), good or bad.
This "combination" human body is the carrier, the vehicle of our "Atma", the Spirit, the actual "me". During our sleep – unconsciously, and during meditation – consciously, our astral body can leave the physical body. For astral body being at a much higher vibration level, physical things are no barrier to it. When we "die", only our physical body is destroyed. We, the "spirit" along with the astral body and cause body are born again in another physical body, as directed by our Karmic record. In between the death and rebirth, the spirit, along with the astral body goes to a particular astral plane depending on its level of evolution. There it experiences a detailed review of its latest life before being born again in another life. And this cycle of birth & death continues. The process of rebirth causes a memory loss, and we humans forget the real purpose of our lives. The aim of human life is to remember who we are, and to work towards the goal of evolution and the ultimate "moksha" (freedom from the cycle of birth and death). 11
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Knowledge is Eternal

The knowledge of God is eternal, and is present everywhere around us in energy form. So are the past and prospective futures. These can be "tapped in" by sufficiently spiritually advanced individuals. Without the spiritual development, knowledge and science always decay.

At the end of every chaturyugi, there is always a pralaya – mass destruction in the form of natural or man-made cataclysms – in which most of the knowledge in physical form is destroyed. But humanity survives in the form of a few human beings to carry forward the human race into next chaturyugi, like "Manu" (Noah) did at the end of last chaturyugi 3,893,100 years ago. Scientific remains of ancient, advanced civilizations of present chaturyugi may still be present and could be discovered by evolved and dedicated groups of people.13

Suggested Topics for Research

Before starting any research program, following points have to be taken care of:

Identification of ancient texts/manuscripts known to contain scientific knowledge.
Programs to trace out such texts/manuscripts which are not available today.
Research programs on available texts can then be initiated. Research topics could include the following.

Anti Radioactivity: Chances of a nuclear war can never be ruled out, until of course, the earth rids itself of the piles of nuclear weapons. And in this context, research on anti-radioactive device/ radiation assumes paramount importance. Some basic leads are available – they need to be further researched and put together.
Vimanas: Research on Vedas and other texts like "Brihad Vimanashastra" for developing special airplanes and space vehicles. This will also involve research on special alloys/ materials/ fuels as described in these texts.
To realize Anti-Gravity.
The study of human Aura for research in medicine and surgery.
To find unconventional and environment friendly Energy/ electricity resources.
The study of Yajna, and how to achieve special effects, like health and medicine, reinforcement of ozone layer and removal of atmospheric pollution, through it.
Above all this, blueprint for a program to educate specially chosen children in ancient spiritual and scientific techniques should be prepared, so as to produce leaders for a new world order.

© Rakesh Maniktala
E-mail: rock@hwr.bhel.co.in
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Excerpted from Vedic Physics by Raja Ram Mohan Roy.
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4. The Expanding Egg

Sanskrit is a beautiful language. Each word in Sanskrit tells its meaning itself. Each word has been thought carefully. Sanskrit is not a product of evolution from an earlier language. It has been designed to be what it is. When Vedic sages coded the knowledge of particle physics and cosmology, they were well aware of the possibility that one day the code may be lost due to the decline of their civilization. Therefore they chose the words very carefully to provide vital clues about the code. In this book we will dissect each word, go to its roots, and discover the lost Vedic science.

4.1: The Expanding Universe

The word for universe in Sanskrit is "Brahmanda", which is made by joining of words "Brahma" and "Anda". Brahma is derived from root "Briha" meaning to expand and "Anda" means egg. Thus "Brahmanda" means expanding egg. Concept of the universe as an egg is found in nearly all ancient civilizations, the source of which is obviously the Rigveda. The concept of Martanda discussed later in this chapter is related to the egg-shaped universe. The universe is described as an egg in most post-vedic scriptures.

"Apah were indeed Salila earlier. Desire arose in it. They labored. From that heat arose. From heat golden egg was born. Golden egg was swimming in that for a year." Shatapatha Brahmana 11.1.6.1

"Whole universe including moon, sun, galaxies and planets was inside the egg. Egg was surrounded by ten qualities from outside." Vayu Purana 4.72-73

"At the end of thousand years Egg was divided in two by Vayu." Vayu Purana 24.73

"From that golden egg earth and heaven were made." Manusmriti 1.13

In Matsya Purana 2.25-30 following story is told about creation. After Mahapralaya, dissolution of the universe, there was darkness everywhere. Everything was like in a state of sleep. There was nothing, either moving or unmoving. Then Svayambhu, self-being, manifested, which is the form beyond senses. He created water first and established the seed of creation into it. That seed turned into a golden egg. Then Svayambhu entered in the egg, and he is called Visnu because of entering. The concept of the universe as an egg is based on sound scientific reasoning. We will discuss the scientific basis of this shape later in this book during the discussion of Vedic cosmology.

4.2: Birth of Gods

What happened during the initial moments of creation? The Big Bang cosmology gives a very dramatic account of first few moments. The universe was extremely hot and it went through a very rapid expansion stage initially called inflation. The Vedic viewpoint differs from this view. The initial moments of creation are described in the following hymn from the Rigveda: Rigveda 10.72 Sage: Laukya Brihaspati or Brihaspati Angirasa or Dakshayani Aditi; Deity: Gods; Metre: Anustupa

1. We speak about the birth of Gods clearly. Who says the praises, will see them in later ages. 2. Brahmanaspati created these (everything in the universe) like an artisan. In the earlier age of gods manifest was born from unmanifest. 3. In the first age of gods, manifest was born from unmanifest. Then quarters of the heaven (asha) were born, after that one whose legs are extended. 4. From the one whose legs are extended, was born Bhu, and from Bhu were born quarters of the heaven (asha). From Aditi Daksha was born, and from Daksha Aditi was born. 5. Daksha, your daughter Aditi gave birth. Gracious, immortal bonded gods were born from her. 6. When gods were sitting in this Salila firmly established, from their dance penetrating dust came up. 7. When gods pervaded whole universe, then in ocean sun was brought near. 8. Those eight sons born to Aditi, with seven she went to gods, and left Martanda away. 9. With seven sons Aditi went to earlier age. For the birth and death of people, (she) accepted Martanda again.

4.3: The Dead Egg

The last two verses tell us about Martanda, and here lies the seed of a gigantic misconception that man was created in the beginning of the universe. Martanda means dead egg. Egg is the universe itself, so dead egg means a universe that had no life. The formation of the universe was not a spontaneous process. The universe had to expand in order to exist, but forces of expansion and contraction were in a delicate balance in the beginning. The universe did not keep on expanding continuously is the Vedic viewpoint. After an initial expansion, the universe started to contract. This is the meaning of Aditi going to earlier age.

The above article is excerpted from Vedic Physics by Raja Ram Mohan Roy.
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Nikola Tesla and Swami Vivekananda

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by Mr. Toby Grotz, President, Wireless Engineering

Swami Vivekananda, late in the year l895 wrote in a letter to an English friend, "Mr. Tesla thinks he can demonstrate mathematically that force and matter are reducible to potential energy. I am to go and see him next week to get this new mathematical demonstration. In that case the Vedantic cosmoloqy will be placed on the surest of foundations. I am working a good deal now upon the cosmology and eschatology of the Vedanta. I clearly see their perfect union with modern science, and the elucidation of the one will be followed by that of the other." (Complete Works, Vol. V, Fifth Edition, 1347, p. 77).

Here Swamiji uses the terms force and matter for the Sanskrit terms Prana and Akasha. Tesla used the Sanskrit terms and apparently understood them as energy and mass. (In Swamiji's day, as in many dictionaries published in the first half of the present century, force and energy were not alwavys clearly differentiated. Energy is a more proper translation of the Sanskrit term Prana.)

Tesla apparently failed in his effort to show the identity of mass and energy. Apparently he understood that when speed increases, mass must decrease. He seems to have thought that mass might be "converted" to energy and vice versa, rather than that they were identical in some way, as is pointed out in Einstein's equations. At any rate, Swamiji seems to have sensed where the difficulty lay in joining the maps of European science and Advaita Vedanta and set Tesla to solve the problem. It is apparently in the hope that Tesla would succeed in this that Swamiji says "In that case the Vedantic cosmology will be placed on the surest of foundations." Unfortunately Tesla failed and the solution did not come till ten years later, in a paper by Albert Einstein. But by then Swamiji was gone and the connecting of the maps was delayed.

The Influence of Vedic Philosophy on Nikola Tesla's Understanding of Free Energy

An Article by Toby Grotz

Web Publication by Mountain Man Graphics, Australia - Southern Autumn of 1997

Abstract ...

Nikola Tesla used ancient Sanskrit terminology in his descriptions of natural phenomena. As early as 1891 Tesla described the universe as a kinetic system filled with energy which could be harnessed at any location. His concepts during the following years were greatly influenced by the teachings of Swami Vivekananda. Swami Vivekananda was the first of a succession of eastern yogi's who brought Vedic philosophy and religion to the west. After meeting the Swami and after continued study of the Eastern view of the mechanisms driving the material world, Tesla began using the Sanskrit words Akasha, Prana, and the concept of a luminiferous ether to describe the source, existence and construction of matter. This paper will trace the development of Tesla's understanding of Vedic Science, his correspondence with Lord Kelvin concerning these matters, and the relation between Tesla and Walter Russell and other turn of the century scientists concerning advanced understanding of physics. Finally, after being obscured for many years, the author will give a description of what he believes is the the pre-requisite for the free energy systems envisioned by Tesla.

Tesla's Earler Description of the Physical Universe

By the year 1891, Nikola Tesla had invented many useful devices. These included a system of arc lighting (1886), the alternating current motor, power generation and transmission systems (1888), systems of electrical conversion and distribution by oscillatory discharges (1889), and a generator of high frequency currents (1890), to name a few. The most well known patent centers around an inspiration that occurred while walking with a friend in a park in Budapest, Hungry. It was while observing the sunset that Tesla had a vision of how rotating electromagnetic fields could be used in a new form of electric motor. his led to the well known system of alternating current power distribution. In 1891 however, Tesla patented what one day may become his most famous invention. It is the basis for the wireless transmission of electrical power and is know as the Tesla Coil Transformer. It was during this year that Tesla made the following comments during a speech before the American Institute of Electrical Engineers:

"Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point in the universe. This idea is not novel... We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among the subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians... Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static or kinetic.? If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic - and this we know it is, for certain - then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheelwork of nature." [1]

This description of the physical mechanisms of the universe was given before Tesla became familiar with the Vedic science of the eastern Nations of India, Tibet, and Nepal. This science was first popualized in the United States and the west during the three year visit of Swami Vivekananda.



Vedic Science and Swami Vivekananda

The Vedas are a collection of writings consisting of hymns, prayers, myths, historical accounting, dissertations on science, and the nature of reality, which date back at least 5,000 years. The nature of matter, antimatter, and the make up of atomic structure are described in the Vedas. The language of the Vedas is known as Sanskrit. The origin of Sanskrit is not fully understood. Western scholars suggest that it was brought into the Himalayas and thence south into India by the southward migrations of the Aryan culture. Paramahansa Yogananda and other historians however do not subscribe to that theory, pointing out that there is no evidence within India to substantiate such claims. [2]

There are words in Sanskrit that describe concepts totally foreign to the western mind. Single words may require a full paragraph for translation into english. Having studied Sanskrit for a brief period during the late 70's, it finally occurred to this writer that Tesla's use of Vedic terminology could provide a key to understanding his view of electromagnetism and the nature of the universe. But where did Tesla learn Vedic concepts and Sanskrit terminology? A review of the well known biographies by Cheney, Hunt and Draper, and O'Neil [3], [4], [5], reveal no mention of Tesla's knowledge of Sanskrit. O'Neal however includes the following excerpt from an unpublished article called Man's Greatest Achievement:

"There manifests itself in the fully developed being , Man, a desire mysterious, inscrutable and irresistible: to imitate nature, to create, to work himself the wonders he perceives.... Long ago he recognized that all perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the Akasha or luminiferous ether, which is acted upon by the life giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never ending cycles all things and phenomena. The primary substance, thrown into infinitesimal whirls of prodigious velocity, becomes gross matter; the force subsiding, the motion ceases and matter disappears, reverting to the primary substance."

According to Leland Anderson the article was written May 13th, 1907. Anderson also suggested that it was through association with Swami Vivekananda that Tesla may have come into contact with Sanskrit terminology and that John Dobson of the San Francisco Sidewalk Astronomers Association had researched that association. [6]

Swami Vivekananda was born in Calcutta, India in 1863. He was inspired by his teacher, Ramakrishna to serve men as visible manifestations of God. In 1893 Swami Vivekananda began a tour of the west by attending the Parliament of Religions held in Chicago. During the three years that he toured the United States and Europe, Vivekananda met with many of the well known scientists of the time including Lord Kelvin and Nikola Tesla. [7] According to Swami Nikhilananda:

Nikola Tesla, the great scientist who specialized in the field of electricity, was much impressed to hear from the Swami his explanation of the Samkhya cosmogony and the theory of cycles given by the Hindus. He was particularly struck by the resemblance between the Samkhya theory of matter and energy and that of modern physics. The Swami also met in New York Sir William Thompson, afterwards Lord Kelvin, and Professor Helmholtz, two leading representatives of western science. Sarah Bernhardt, the famous French actress had an interview with the Swami and greatly admired his teachings. [8]

It was at a party given by Sarah Bernhardt that Nikola Tesla probably first met Swami Vivekananda. [9] Sarah Bernhardt was playing the part of 'Iziel' in a play of the same name. It was a French version about the life of Bhudda. The actress upon seeing Swami Vivekananda in the audience, arranged a meeting which was also attended by Nikola Tesla. In a letter to a friend, dated February 13th, 1896, Swami Vivekananda noted the following:

...Mr. Tesla was charmed to hear about the Vedantic Prana and Akasha and the Kalpas, which according to him are the only theories modern science can entertain.....Mr Tesla thinks he can demonstrate that mathematically that force and matter are reducible to potential energy. I am to go see him next week to get this mathematical demonstration. [10]

Swami Vivekananda was hopeful that Tesla would be able to show that what we call matter is simply potential energy because that would reconcile the teachings of the Vedas with modern science. The Swami realized that "In that case, the Vedantic cosmology [would] be placed on the surest of foundations". The harmony between Vedantic theories and and western science was explained by the following diagram:

BRAHMAN = THE ABSOLUTE

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MAHAT OR ISHVARA = PRIMAL CREATIVE ENERGY

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PRANA and AKASHA = ENERGY and MATTER



Tesla understood the Sanskrit terminology and philosophy and found that it was a good means to describe the physical mechanisms of the universe as seen through his eyes. It would behoove those who would attempt to understand the science behind the inventions of Nikola Tesla to study Sanskrit and Vedic philosophy.

Tesla apparently failed to show the identity of energy and matter. If he had, certainly Swami Vivekananda would have recorded that occasion. The mathematical proof of the principle did come until about ten years later when Albert Einstein published his paper on relativity. What had been known in the East for the last 5,000 years was then known to the West.

Brahman is defined as the one self existent impersonal spirit; the Divine Essence, from which all things emanate, by which they are sustained, and to which they return. Notice that this is very similar to the concept of the Great Spirit as understood by Native American cultures. Ishvara is the Supreme Ruler; the highest possible conception of the Absolute, which is beyond all thought. Mahat means literally the Great One, and is also interpreted as meaning universal mind or cosmic intelligence. Prana means energy (usually translated as life force) and Akasha means matter (usually translated as ether). Dobson points out that the more common translations for Akasha and Prana are not quite correct, but that Tesla did understand their true meanings.

The meeting with Swami Vivekananda greatly stimulated Nikola Tesla's interest in Eastern Science. The Swami later remarked during a lecture in India, "I myself have been told by some of the best scientific minds of the day, how wonderfully rational the conclusions of the Vedanta are. I know of one of them personally, who scarcely has time to eat his meal, or go out of his laboratory, but who would stand by the hour to attend my lectures on the Vedanta; for, as he expresses it, they are so scientific, they so exactly harmonize with the aspirations of the age and with the conclusions to which modern science is coming at the present time". [11]
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விஞ்ஞான நோக்கம்:

ஜெனிவா ஃப்ரான்ஸ் எல்லைப்பகுதியில் 27 கி.மீ சுற்றளவில் லார்ஜ் ஹாட்ரான் கொலைடர் என்ற துகள் முடக்கி சோதனைச்சாலை அமைந்துள்ளது. இதில் அணுவின் அடிப்படை துகள்களை (ப்ரோட்டான் => குவார்க் => க்ளுவான்) கட்டமைக்கும் “பரமாணு அதாவது கடவுள் துகள் (Higgs boson)” எது? என்ற சோதனை நடந்து வருகின்றது.

செயல்படும் முறை:

லார்ஜ் ஹாட்ரான் கொலைடரில் அணுவின் அடிப்படைத்துகளான ப்ரோட்டான்களை (நேர்மங்களை) கிட்டதட்ட ஒளியின் வேகத்தில் (வினாடிக்கு 300000கி.மீ) ஒன்றோடொன்று மோதவிட்டு, பிறகு வெளிப்படும் துகள்களில் “அணுவின் அடிப்படைத் துகள்களையே (ப்ரோட்டான் => குவார்க் => க்ளுவான்) கட்டமைக்கும் பரமாணு அதாவது கடவுள் துகள் (Higgs boson) ஏதேனும் வெளிப்படுகின்றதா என்று சோதனை செய்யப்பட்டு வருகின்றது.

மெய்ஞ்ஞான நோக்கம்:

அணுவில் அணுவினை ஆதிப் பிரானை
அணுவில் அணுவினை ஆயிரம் கூறிட்டு
அணுவில் அணுவை அணுக வல்லார்கட்கு
அணுவில் அணுவை அணுகலும் ஆமே. - திருமந்திரம்-2008

விளக்கம்:

அணுவுக்கும் அணுவான அடிப்படைத் துகள்களை (ப்ரோட்டான் => குவார்க் => க்ளுவான்) ஆயிரம் துண்டாக்கி, அதில் ஒரு துண்டுக்குள், நுண்ணியதாக உள்ள பரமாணு நெருங்க கூடியவர்களுக்கு; பரம்பொருளை அடைதலும் கைகூடும்.

மேற்கண்ட இருநிகழ்வுகளில் நோக்கமும், செய்முறையும் எந்தளவுக்கு ஒத்துபோகின்றது என்று தாங்களே நன்கு உணர்வீர். ஏனெனில் நாம் இதை தற்பொழுது “மதிப்பெண்களுக்காக” படிக்கவில்லை.

ஒர் இயற்பியல் மாணவனாக சில கேள்விகள்

(1). இத்திருமந்திரத்தையே கிரேக்கர், எகிப்தியர், ரோமாணியர் போன்றோர் எழுதியிருந்தால் தங்களின் நிலைப்பாடு என்னவாகியிருந்திருக்கும்?

(2). ஒரு தமிழர் தமிழில் எழுதிருந்தால் அதில் அறிவியல் கருத்துக்கள் இருக்காதா?

(3). ஆன்மீகத்தில் அறிவியலும், அறிவியலில் ஆன்மீக கருத்துகளும் பிரதிபளிக்கும் நிகழ்வுகள் இருந்தால் ஏற்றுக்கொள்ளக்கூடாதா?

(4). திருமூலர் இதை நிரூபித்து எழுதினாரா? என்றால் கோட்பாட்டு இயற்பியலில் (Theoretical Physics) எதையும் அவ்வளவு சீக்கிரத்தில் அதி உயர் கணினியில் (Super Computer) கூட நிருபிக்க முடியாது என்பதே உண்மை. (எ.கா) அற்புதமான இயற்பியலாளர் ஐன்ஸ்டீன் சிறப்பு சார்பியல் கொள்கை (Special Theory of Relativity), பொது சார்பியல் கொள்கைகளை (General Theory of Relativity) சோதனை செய்து கண்டுபிடிக்கவில்லை காரண காரியங்களை வைத்தே கண்டுபிடித்தார். திருமூலர் போன்ற சித்தர்கள் மிகச்சிறந்த சிந்தனையாளர்களாக மட்டுமள்ளாமல் நம்மை விட பல பல மடங்கு மூடநம்பிக்கைகளை எதிர்த்தார்கள் என்பதே உண்மை.
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Shiva and Shakthi not only form the fountainhead of human race, but according to Yoga traditions and Shaivism, also form the fundamental of our reality/existence.
Super pooonga, I have heard/read many explanations for Shakthi/Shiva and this is the first time hearing this. Nice one.
After getting from the bed was going through your post. Oru nimisam onnum pureyala (thuka kalakam) read twice , thrice and was able to understood. Now trying to understand in a simple manner, so that I will be able to share with others. Hopefully Shiva will help.

Next oru kuliyala pottutu Kannanoda post padikanum.
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Wow! Great read, though I'm still struggling to understand.
Let me try to make it more clearer...

Basically, what science today is saying is all particles were nothing (with no mass/energy) until they came across this Higgs field to form mass, and thus forming creation of the universe as we know it.

Our ancient sciences personifies these aspects for understanding. Shiva (that which is not) is actualy nothingness, but just like the particles in science which were nothing, but became something, he too became something (existence), when he married Shakthi. But Shakthi is actually the duality of Shiva, and they are one and the same. That is why in pictures you can see Shiva and Shakthi sharing the body half and half. So, in essence the existence came from the nothingness part of Shiva, when it got in touch with the everything part (Shakthi) of his.

The western science still finds it very difficult to understand the value of nothingness, whose immensity we have understood for centuries and have been worshipping for ages. Western philosophy cannot intellectually give value for nothing and modern scientists are constantly looking to find something!! One of our gifts greatest gifts to science and math is "0" (zero) nothingness. It's a perfect example of this Shiva concept. Zero is nothing but it is also something. without 0, there can't be 1 (theory of relativity here) - without nothing, there can't be something!! When 0 (nothing) combines with something - creation happens. In essence everything roots to zero (nothing). Zero, just like Shiva, exhibits properties of duality in when it comes to existence and non-duality (singularity) in when it comes to its source.

Coming to creation of the universe, the comparisons are...

Standard Model to Yogic Science: all particles are without mass (Shiva - an entity which represents nothingness) until they interact with something called the Higgs Field (Shakthi); particles were massless when they were created at the Big Bang (Rudhra thandavam), but within a trillionth of a second, the Higgs Field spread throughout the universe and gave each particle its mass(Creation).

Compare these two videos (I have shared them before and will share them agin to give perspectives):

Hear what the cosmologist says...Although the interviewer is funny, he strikes the basic point at the end!

http://www.colbertnation.com/the-col...awrence-krauss

And now hear what a Yogi says...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sk2in...eature=related

Hope this makes it simpler!!
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