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Old July 10th, 2009, 05:23 PM   #581
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However to everyone else it's a hit.
Not really, there's people on here that can examine and discuss buildings very well and have said that it isn't a well designed frontage. The problem is too many forumers here get misty eyed at anything that looks old and are unable to curtail those emotions when it comes to critiquing the building for what it is and not what it looks like. Thankfully we have experts who work in planning that do.

For me the worst part of the frontage is the cheap, gardening centre round stone crown wall that sits in front of the fake attic windows at the top. Awful.

The previous building on this site sat much more comfortably within the neighbouring properties, and I expect a crisp modernist frontage would have created a new relationship with them as well. Unfortunately this overblown classical mishmash sticks itself out thinking it is far more important than it actually is. It has neither the grace nor dignity of anything that already exists that was built in the style, but is a mere Tesco Value version of a premium brand.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 06:23 PM   #582
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and if a Tesco express goes in at the ground floor.....we're really f**k#d.....
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Old July 10th, 2009, 09:42 PM   #583
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TBH, a Tesco express would be quite appropriate for the site...
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Old July 10th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #584
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Estonia where it will be rebuilt in Tallinn.
I dont think thats the case.Estonian EH went mad ('not in keeping' 'will ruin') and the Baltic Exchange is now rotting away in some warehouse its future uncertain.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 09:59 PM   #585
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Not really, there's people on here that can examine and discuss buildings very well and have said that it isn't a well designed frontage. The problem is too many forumers here get misty eyed at anything that looks old and are unable to curtail those emotions when it comes to critiquing the building for what it is and not what it looks like. Thankfully we have experts who work in planning that do.

For me the worst part of the frontage is the cheap, gardening centre round stone crown wall that sits in front of the fake attic windows at the top. Awful.

The previous building on this site sat much more comfortably within the neighbouring properties, and I expect a crisp modernist frontage would have created a new relationship with them as well. Unfortunately this overblown classical mishmash sticks itself out thinking it is far more important than it actually is. It has neither the grace nor dignity of anything that already exists that was built in the style, but is a mere Tesco Value version of a premium brand.
Oh rubbish! You're just annoyed that a neoclassical success story has (well deserved) popular resonance. You're trying far too hard DarJoLe....
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Old July 11th, 2009, 01:48 AM   #586
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For me the worst part of the frontage is the cheap, gardening centre round stone crown wall that sits in front of the fake attic windows at the top. Awful.
Could you please explain what is wrong with it?
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Old July 11th, 2009, 04:58 AM   #587
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ironically this is a better building than what it replaced but sits less well with the buildings alongside it. yes it is more 'in keeping' in terms of materials and style but the neighbours have a vertical emphasis while this has a horizontal colonadde effect and this leaves the roof looking empty and anti-climactic. the previous building had some small cupolas that matched the verticality of its later neighbours. however i will say that the finish, detailing and quality of this building is pretty high and is not horrificaly out of context. the above is a minor complaint more than anything.
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Old July 13th, 2009, 06:58 PM   #588
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I was there a couple of weeks ago and it looks amazing!
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Old July 13th, 2009, 07:10 PM   #589
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I don't think the problem is that the building is so bad, but the question remains, why a 'copy' of an old building in a city with so many of the real thing? A well-designed, make that a capable, modernist building would have looked much better.
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Old July 13th, 2009, 11:52 PM   #590
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I donīt think anyone finds this building ugly. Itīs just against some peopleīs principles to build such buildings in the 21th century.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 04:14 AM   #591
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I don't think the problem is that the building is so bad, but the question remains, why a 'copy' of an old building in a city with so many of the real thing? A well-designed, make that a capable, modernist building would have looked much better.
The reason it was built in this style is because an attractive old Victorian building was to be destroyed to make way for it. The buildings in this area are mainly old buildings in traditional styles. The modern buildings in this area, including the immediate neighbour to this site (St Giles Hotel) are generally hideous eyesores awaiting well-deserved demolition and replacement. That's why a classical design works better in this context. Only a modernist building of extraordinary quality (ie of the top 0.01% of them) would have looked better on this site. The other 99.99% of modernist buildings would have looked worse.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 04:15 AM   #592
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I donīt think anyone finds this building ugly. Itīs just against some peopleīs principles to build such buildings in the 21th century.
And that's exactly why I call them tasteless, cultureless, fundamentalist philistines.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 04:16 AM   #593
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ironically this is a better building than what it replaced but sits less well with the buildings alongside it. yes it is more 'in keeping' in terms of materials and style but the neighbours have a vertical emphasis while this has a horizontal colonadde effect and this leaves the roof looking empty and anti-climactic. the previous building had some small cupolas that matched the verticality of its later neighbours. however i will say that the finish, detailing and quality of this building is pretty high and is not horrificaly out of context. the above is a minor complaint more than anything.
The columns themselves have strong vertical emphasis, and there are two rows of them. The tall narrow windows between the columns also have a vertical thrust.
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Old July 14th, 2009, 04:30 AM   #594
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The columns themselves have strong vertical emphasis, and there are two rows of them. The tall narrow windows between the columns also have a vertical thrust.
there is a strong vertical emphasis but the lack of either a third tier or a strong roof element means the thrust is lost and anti-climactic. at least when you see it from down charing cross anyway. i think it looks better up close, appreciating the high finish rather than the whole or the context. but as i said, pretty minor complaint and individually a solid building imo.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 08:56 PM   #595
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Going back the facade itself, the mix of both volutes from the Ionic columns and acanthus leaves on the Corinthian columns is ridiculous, let alone the addition of Roman arches at the base level. Terry needs to relearn his Greek and Roman history.
You need to relearn YOUR history. Columns of the same order are almost NEVER stacked on eachother. Doric goes beneath Ionic, Ionic beneath Corinthian, etc.

Look at the coloseaum.

Take the time to learn something before you write nonsense.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 09:57 PM   #596
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You need to relearn YOUR history. Columns of the same order are almost NEVER stacked on eachother. Doric goes beneath Ionic, Ionic beneath Corinthian, etc.

Look at the coloseaum.

Take the time to learn something before you write nonsense.
Perhaps you need to learn your spelling.
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Old August 20th, 2009, 11:59 PM   #597
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Haha, colosseum, touche
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Old August 21st, 2009, 12:11 AM   #598
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communication is more important than spelling. This isn't school.
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Old August 21st, 2009, 12:19 AM   #599
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No really? Note the context.

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Old August 21st, 2009, 02:35 PM   #600
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It makes me want to scream out loud that this sort of set design nonsense has so many supporters.
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