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Old September 30th, 2004, 04:57 PM   #1
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ET will stay as the tallest building in NCC

Although business mans already planned to build higher buildings than Europa Tower and architects were making projects for them, there will be no taller buildings in NCC than Europa tower. City planners decided that there could be a few towers of a similar height to ET but all the rest should be lower.
There will be 700 000 m^2 of residential buildings and a similar amount of office space, space for shopping centers. In NCC there will also be schools, new church, etc. The residential buildings will have not more than 5-7 floors. The bright exterior colors of high-rises will be not allowed too. Different buildings will be of a unique design but also they'll have some common things. All these rules were created in order to save the old town, nature (some hills). There are some more rules for example: the planted trees will have to be not younger than 7-12 years and only of some particular sorts; there will be no advertisments allowed on the residential buildings; pavements and other environment details will have to be made only of some sort of materials; etc.
Near new high-rises and other modern buildings there will be left 100 year old wooden buildings which are located around Giedraičių street - this'll create a nice contrast. Those wooden buildings will be restored and will be used for residential purposes, cafes, restaurants, hadicraftsmans workplaces (didn't know how to say it correct in English ).
NCC will be a lively city center at day time and nighttime. There will live 30 000 people. It is expected that some government isntitutions, banks, other offices will move from the old town to NCC.
There are panned many parks, squares, other open spaces, artificial lakes, also art galleries, museums, concert halls.

Now some more exact plans for NCC:
The owners of "Forum Palace" wants to build two 12 floor high-rises, near Konstitucijos avenue.
Near "Forum Palace" "Merko statyba" plans to build public-commercial building.
Hotel "Reval hotel Lietuva" plans to build big conference center instead of parking place next to hotel.
Company "Vyrokas" (which is building "Vyrokas residential" right now) plans to build residential-commercial high-rise and a new building for "Vilniaus kooperacijos kolegija" (some college).
Other projects (as Kernaves bridge, some hotel, etc. were mentioned on these forums).
Also new pedestrian path above gele˛inio vilko street is planned - it'll connect NCC to an amusement park (where Siemens arena now is being built and other things such as waterpark, etc. are planned) and of a 30 000 places stadium near "Akropolis" (recently municipality of Vilnius got a suggestion from Izrael company "Klial Trading" which wants to build that stadium - it should cost about 140-160 mln EUR).


That's all for now , sorry if I made some English language mistakes.
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Old September 30th, 2004, 05:21 PM   #2
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thwat??? no taller buildings then ET? ROfl, that suxx hard
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Old September 30th, 2004, 05:33 PM   #3
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Old September 30th, 2004, 05:49 PM   #4
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good to hear that they plan residentials there too, and bars restaurants so on, if it had been strictly business it would be ghost town at night, now we can expect a very lively place!
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Old September 30th, 2004, 06:00 PM   #5
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@ch1le

yeah that sux really, and it even more sux that there won't be anything taller than ET in Tallinn


on the other hand it's just a proposal of a concept (vision) and for sure nobody will be strictly forced to obey it because every individual project is prepared separately and thus it's always possible to add a few floors if the investor will find it necessary, everything will depend on the detailed plan and approving in the municipality
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Old September 30th, 2004, 06:20 PM   #6
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john, ur starting it

well, ill be glad if they dont obey it, 129 shouldnt be a benchmark, better then the 123 in tallinn(luckily it was given tha finger)
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Old September 30th, 2004, 07:18 PM   #7
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Unfortunate and sad a for you guys. Well, it's better than nothing - be proud (like I *need* to say this) of what you already have. I think it's good that they intend to increase number of apartments in the area. Is the area around Europa Square any more lively nowadays after business hours?
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Old September 30th, 2004, 07:24 PM   #8
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Its NCC - but somewhere in Vilnius still something higher can be built? (But would somebody do it?)
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Old September 30th, 2004, 09:47 PM   #9
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Don't forget, it's how SOME architects WISH it was so (I'm about no taller buildings than ET). This however doesn't mean it WILL be so, don't forget Lithuanian traditions of highrise constructions and their tend to become higher than they're supposed to be

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Is the area around Europa Square any more lively nowadays after business hours?
It's not as lively as it could (or as I wish it was) be but it's quite ok, people like to meet and just have a rest in the square itself (it's quite a pleasant place at night with great ilumination) not mentioning the mall. Although as somebody mentioned before it now looks like "in the middle of nowhere", it's partially truth because if you walk a few meters to the side the view will be not as pleasant as before and the area is not developed. For the area to be lively it must be a movement from one place to another i.e. there must be many points of shopping, entertainment etc in one street or area. Now it's just a cluster of some enterprises in one point so even being a point of strong attraction it's still not as lively as it should (or should I say will?) be. We have to wait some time


@Gatis
height limitation varies in different areas, some areas (e.g. the street to the Northern direction which later goes as A2 highway to Riga) has no limitations and according to the vision there should be a cluster of highrises built which would be known as "Norhtern City Center" with new bus terminal, office, residential and other enterprises. But that's for the future after the Western highway will be built and it will connect the A2 highway with Minsk highway. This should happen in 2009 so then we may expect something even taller things to rise there.
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Old October 1st, 2004, 01:17 PM   #10
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That sucks bad.
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Old October 1st, 2004, 02:46 PM   #11
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No, if other areas would be developed as highrise areas - to my mind it is not bad decision.
The possibly best development of NCC - 24 hours alive quartal, real "city". This is achieved by having lots of interesting things there - museums, galleries, clubs, shops (not supermarkets but boutiques and specialty shops), open areas for walking, gathering, apartments, hotels.
NCC is located near to the Old City, it is even merging with it. And Old City is UNESCO WH monument. This is the priority above all.

Only - would be fine if the "real highrise" Northern Center would be visually well linked with NCC. With large boulevard (do not forget trees) or similar.
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 09:43 AM   #12
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@John: If this plan will be accepted by municipality (the decision will be made this month) then building of higher buildings than ET will not be allowed. I'm 70% sure that it'll be accepted . I'm quite sure that no one will build taller buildings then because they will not get a permision to build and another thing is that if they want to build bigger buildings (with more space) they can make them fatter instead of taller .

Maybe for some forumers it seems that this is a disaster but I think that Vilnius will get a really great and modern city center. Modern architecture does not mean tall .
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 10:48 AM   #13
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I see the lithuanian people here are so "blue eyed"!

well, for me its a disaster that no higher buildings are not allowed, it seems u gone back to 2000 where it was that "Vilnius will stay the only capital in the world with no Skyscrapers"

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Old October 2nd, 2004, 10:49 AM   #14
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And here is a plan (scanned by John ):


red - commercial; yellow - residential; blue - high-rises.
Notice that big green area with small red buildings right behind Europa Tower. These small buildings are earlier mentioned old wooden houses which will be renovated. Such big park with the district of wooden buildings and skyscrapers in the background is expected to become a tourist attraction.
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 10:56 AM   #15
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I see the lithuanian people here are so "blue eyed"!

well, for me its a disaster that no higher buildings are not allowed, it seems u gone back to 2000 where it was that "Vilnius will stay the only capital in the world with any Skyscrapers"
Sorry ch1le but sometimes you write something that is hard to understand, for example: "Vilnius will stay the only capital in the world with any Skyscrapers".

And well for me it definitely is not a disaster. Nice modern center with big parks, nice environment, highrises up to 33 floors, artificial lakes, wooden district inside a big park, modern low-rise buildings, etc. etc. looks really GREAT to me. And btw it's very unique I think.
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 10:58 AM   #16
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dam :P lol.. yea at first i mentioned Vilnius will stay the only capital in the world with no skyscrapers, then i changed into any for somereason.... :P rofl, im kinda tired still, i hate mornings!
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 12:36 PM   #17
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@Edd

Before the NCC (Europa Square) development started, it was not allowed to build taller buildings than 30 floors and 120m, but we see it didn't mean to become a strict rule. Height may vary according to the detailed plan changes.

We yet have to see what will happen with Helios tower, the permission was given for 23 floors, we'll see how tall actually it will be
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 12:54 PM   #18
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heh lithuanian companys are crazy, in tallinn they would be tard and featherd for doing something like that :P will build the twins to 50 storeys rofl, i can already see the tallink ships to be transformed into battleships and moving towards finland to take out lemminkäinen! :P
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 01:10 PM   #19
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@ch1le

it's not exactly that those companies are doing this just so. They use tactics. At first they get a permission for a building of 30 floors (for example, Europa Tower), then the construction starts and suddenly the detailed plan is changed and a few more floors are added. The excuse is that the architects and developer think it's better this way and those few floors "will not do much harm anyway" so they start to pressure the municipality to grant a permission for the corrected project. Some buildings get permission before the building is topped out (e.g. ET), and some not (e.g. EA). Now both are "legalized" anyway.

Similar case with Helios tower, they got a permission for 23 floors but then changed the project to 26 floors (it might actually be 27 floors) and now are attempting to get it approved and permission for 26 floors. Works are underway since June

not sure which variant of Helios Tower is that but looks like 23-24 floors
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Old October 2nd, 2004, 07:33 PM   #20
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@John: ET and EA were just a begining. I'm sure that after the plan of area will be accepted by municipality - no such things as with ET or EA will occur.

Helios tower is a different story (it's in a different place and it seems that the company which is building it has a good relationships with authority of municipality ). But ofcourse I can't also say that it'll have 26 floors for sure.
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