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Old January 2nd, 2018, 06:07 PM   #1281
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ECRL ke Johor ke..not in our lifetime I think but klo ada Idea to spur line from Kuantan to ECER SEZ coastal straight sebelah Desaru masuk Pengerang tu make sense jugak haha coz masa tu mmg ada economic benefitial.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 02:36 AM   #1282
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The ecrl like speed from gemas to jb vs edtp is like 160km/h vs 140km/h only right? Other than safer and more comfortable aspects, i dont think it warrants regauging the line.. Theres a vision to connect hsr to bangkok from kl anyway so the northern section will be standard gauge in the end.
About spur lines like seremban to PD, bidor to teluk intan or maybe bentong to raub (post ecrl) , i think it depends on the suitability and cost i guess.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 06:23 AM   #1283
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I hope this ECRL will eventually continue down south towards JB and up north towards Perlis, and replaces the metre gauge KTM services.
For passenger only, for both passenger/freight or just for freight only?
I think, ECRL extension to JB for passengers doesn't make sense, direct competition with MyHSR.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 09:28 AM   #1284
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For passenger only, for both passenger/freight or just for freight only?
I think, ECRL extension to JB for passengers doesn't make sense, direct competition with MyHSR.
also the Gemas-JB double track
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 10:09 AM   #1285
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For passenger only, for both passenger/freight or just for freight only?
I think, ECRL extension to JB for passengers doesn't make sense, direct competition with MyHSR.
Agree, even through Pekan/Rompin would not be beneficial.
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 10:35 AM   #1286
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Will it be possible for non-HSR trains to ride on HSR tracks?

Understand HSR is dedicated, but to minimize land acquisition costs etc.. Would a "Triple Tracking" make sense? Two tracks dedicated to HSR, one track for standard gauge trains.

I know I may be speaking total non-sense, but have no idea how railways work haha
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Old January 3rd, 2018, 12:12 PM   #1287
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Agree, even through Pekan/Rompin would not be beneficial.
personally i think it could work.
JB and SG don't really have nice beaches.

so building a railroad here could provide these people a nice beachfront houses though at the cost of more commute time while tourist can easily visit as its near to changi.

i guess it could be a tropical version of NY's long island perhaps?
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Old January 4th, 2018, 07:46 AM   #1288
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Of course, it's 1984-1985 after all. Typewriters with a cartridge return lever were the most common; Electric typewriters were a luxury; Windows 1.0 had not been released and PCs -- if available -- were operated using DOS commands.
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Old January 4th, 2018, 11:59 AM   #1289
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ECRL to JB is interesting especially for freight. Linking RAPID Pengerang to Port Kuantan.

From Kuantan>>Pekan>>Nenasi>>Leban Chondong>> Kuala Rompin>>Tanjung Gemuk/Endau>>Mersing>> Jemaluang>>Tg Leman>>Sedili>> Bandar Penawar>> Sg Rengit /RAPID Pengerang>> Tg Langsat >>Pasir Gudang>> JB

The beaches route...roughly 400km to 450km... mostly in dense forest especially after Mersing.

Time taken for the journey must no more than 3.5 hours Kuantan-JB.(450km/160kmh plus stopping time). Most importantly beating the time for transiting in KL for HSR or to Mentakab for KTM Gemas-JB Line.

It may not be viable economically though cause the residents in those areas are very small but sometimes there are things that nice to have. Like a piece of art in the lobby.

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Old January 4th, 2018, 03:09 PM   #1290
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ECRL to JB is interesting especially for freight. Linking RAPID Pengerang to Port Kuantan.

From Kuantan>>Pekan>>Nenasi>>Leban Chondong>> Kuala Rompin>>Tanjung Gemuk/Endau>>Mersing>> Jemaluang>>Tg Leman>>Sedili>> Bandar Penawar>> Sg Rengit /RAPID Pengerang>> Tg Langsat >>Pasir Gudang>> JB

The beaches route...roughly 400km to 450km... mostly in dense forest especially after Mersing.

Time taken for the journey must no more than 3.5 hours Kuantan-JB.(450km/160kmh plus stopping time). Most importantly beating the time for transiting in KL for HSR or to Mentakab for KTM Gemas-JB Line.

It may not be viable economically though cause the residents in those areas are very small but sometimes there are things that nice to have. Like a piece of art in the lobby.
Continuing the ECRL to JB will never happen and amazingly wasteful as we already have the KL SG HSR and KTM Gemas JB. KTMB meter gauge is no less capable as a freight carrier as a standard gauge line.
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Old January 5th, 2018, 04:15 AM   #1291
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Continuing the ECRL to JB will never happen and amazingly wasteful as we already have the KL SG HSR and KTM Gemas JB. KTMB meter gauge is no less capable as a freight carrier as a standard gauge line.
everything was propose, its just matter of time

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Old January 5th, 2018, 04:25 PM   #1292
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Continuing the ECRL to JB will never happen and amazingly wasteful as we already have the KL SG HSR and KTM Gemas JB. KTMB meter gauge is no less capable as a freight carrier as a standard gauge line.
well here's a hint

if not mistaken the north east line is basically a standard gauge heavy rail system with overhead cantilever

the ECRL is a standard gauge heavy rail system with overhead cantilever

a normal commuter trains can run upwards to 100km -200km, mersing is 130km away from marina bay, rompin is 190km,pekan is 278km and kuantan is 350km away. so i don't really see it as wasteful
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Old January 5th, 2018, 09:32 PM   #1293
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well here's a hint

if not mistaken the north east line is basically a standard gauge heavy rail system with overhead cantilever

the ECRL is a standard gauge heavy rail system with overhead cantilever

a normal commuter trains can run upwards to 100km -200km, mersing is 130km away from marina bay, rompin is 190km,pekan is 278km and kuantan is 350km away. so i don't really see it as wasteful
Does the marginal difference of travel time, we're talking a difference of a few hours here really warrants a multi-billion ringgit investment? Does the Kuantan - JB corridor have enough passenger density to ever warrants such investment when you'll already have an existing infrastructure that can supports it? We're not talking about filling a need here, we're talking about building a new rail line that will only cannibalise existing rail infrastructure. If you says then why are they building the HSR and Gemas - JB EDTP simultaneously then? KL - SG air corridor is one of the busiest in the world, that is the market they are targeting, can you say the same about JB - Kuantan. Why you think MAHB still haven't decided on building KLIA terminal B yet? They still don't know how the HSR will effect their operations yet. Because the HSR is dedicated to passenger traffic, the government still need a freight line. Plus KL will be a city of 10 million people in the future and SG is what 5 - 6 million, Kuantan and JB will never reach that kind of population density.
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Old January 6th, 2018, 08:57 AM   #1294
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Does the marginal difference of travel time, we're talking a difference of a few hours here really warrants a multi-billion ringgit investment? Does the Kuantan - JB corridor have enough passenger density to ever warrants such investment when you'll already have an existing infrastructure that can supports it? We're not talking about filling a need here, we're talking about building a new rail line that will only cannibalise existing rail infrastructure. If you says then why are they building the HSR and Gemas - JB EDTP simultaneously then? KL - SG air corridor is one of the busiest in the world, that is the market they are targeting, can you say the same about JB - Kuantan. Why you think MAHB still haven't decided on building KLIA terminal B yet? They still don't know how the HSR will effect their operations yet. Because the HSR is dedicated to passenger traffic, the government still need a freight line. Plus KL will be a city of 10 million people in the future and SG is what 5 - 6 million, Kuantan and JB will never reach that kind of population density.
depends.
if its for freight it would depends on what thailand would decide. if they decide to allowed freight to run on the standard gauge line all the way to china.if its for passengers and properties play, then at least a line from SG to kota tinggi or even mersing seems feasible

we don't really need to built it now nor we need to built it in one go. but we do need to specified the route and reserve the corridors. just look at how much demolishing we need to do to build the ECRL and HSR.
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Old January 12th, 2018, 06:12 PM   #1295
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