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Old December 12th, 2006, 06:38 AM   #201
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Gents, there is an ETC at the end of this line - There will be 650km of feeder / distribution bus system taking people to areas outside the range of
the stations. For example from Sandton Central to Hyde Park / Rivoina / Fourways / Randburg etc. I think it should include the west at just driving from Fourways to my house, which is less than 20 minutes drive, you pass 4 malls, namely Fourways mall, North Gate mall, Clear Water Mall and West Gate Mall, and about 4 shopping centres. In the morning and the afternoos the traffic is hectic and there's still lots of property development inclusive of the new Bel Air shopping centre/mall next to North Gate mall.
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Sandton Station takes shape

Sandton Central: A final draft Site Development Plan (SDP) for the Gautrain's R3-billion Sandton station is expected to be submitted to the Johannesburg City Council by January next year.

Speaking on behalf of the Johannesburg Property Company (JPC), Tanya van Schalkwayk said the company was negotiating with provincial government regarding future development possibilities for the station's top structure.
It is envisaged that the development will consist of a blend of high-density residential, retail, commercial, business and public spaces.

The proposed design will integrate with the Gautrain rapid rail link and see the construction of a 30-storey tower and two seven-storey buildings. Combined, this will offer 1150 apartments (totaling 73 800sqm), 11 000sqm of retail and social facilities and 3 000 parking bays.


Could this have anything to do with: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=282961

If you look at the renders, these buildings are situated on the Sandton station site and are even positioned in the Sandton station configuration..

Very interesting i think...
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Old December 18th, 2006, 11:19 AM   #203
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Carte Blanche - Gautrain Story transcript...

Millions upon millions of commuters in cities around the world do it every day...

They hop on public buses, trains and even ferries to get from point A to point B.

Public transport is supposed to be fast, simple, safe, convenient and cheaper than using your own car.

But in South Africa commuters have limited choices.

For countless thousands it's a daily battle just to get to work and back.

And while public transport may be cheaper than private, it is slow, unfriendly, unsafe, almost always late and not accessible to everyone.

The only alternative is to travel by taxi or private car, sometimes leaving home before sunrise and spending hours on congested roads.

In Gauteng the situation seems to get worse by the day.

Derek Watts (Carte Blanche presenter): 'If you travel between Pretoria and Johannesburg in the mornings and, say, between Sandton and the airport in the afternoons, it is a nightmare. This is the speed you are travelling most of the time… it's hardly moving.'

Every weekday 300 000 cars travel between Pretoria and Johannesburg, bringing the total number of passenger trips to 4.8 million for Gauteng Province.

But the Gautrain may be a glimmer of light. The rapid rail link, due for completion by 2010, is going to cost 20 billion rand; that is about a million low cost houses, and a price tag which makes some South Africans very nervous.

Its 80 kilometres of rail will only link Pretoria, Johannesburg and the International Airport.
But Gauteng Premier, Mbhazima Shilowa says this is an uplifting project for the country.

Mbhazima Shilowa (Premier, Gauteng Province): 'The route that we went for is to be able to work with national government, particularly the Treasury, because the Minister of Finance must be able to satisfy himself: (1) That there is integration and (2) that there is value for money. And I think national government and the Minister of Finance have satisfied themselves that overall, taken together, this is an economic project and we will be able to get returns and value for money.'

And the Gautrain is just one component of the bigger infrastructure picture, says project leader, Jack van der Merwe.

Jack van der Merwe (Gautrain project leader): 'Government will not just invest in the train. This is a sector that they are investing in, but, simultaneously, Transnet has announced 40 billion rand… they are talking now about a 60 billion rand investment in Transent. Minister Manuel is talking now about 320 billion rand investment in infrastructure. So this is just one component of a bigger picture.'

To explore what the Gautrain will potentially be like, Carte Blanche jetted off to three world cities with established integrated transport systems. First stop, New York.

Derek: 'It's one of the world's most magical views… the Manhattan skyline from Brooklyn Bridge. Great for romantic movie scenes, not always so great for traffic flow.'

New York's traffic is notorious, but the Metro or Subway as some call it, is effective and, if you miss one train, it's guaranteed… well almost… the next one will arrive within minutes.

Derek: 'These fancy trains may work in big cities like New York. But the question is, do they suit the South African lifestyle? Will they be cost effective? And will people use them?'

Similar concerns were raised when the two billion dollars AirTrain to JFK Airport was built. Critics said that no-one would ever ride on it.

The man who had to make it work is Steven Plate. He is the special projects director with the New York Port Authority.

Steve Plate (New York Port Authority): 'So, as us Americans like to say in the field of dreams, 'if you build it, they will come'. And quite frankly they came and they are still coming. And people tend to mock it in the sense of, ' oh they will never build that'.'

Derek: 'Well, you seem to have read the South African mind because people are mocking the project. They are saying it will never work; people won't use it; it will be another white elephant.'

Steve: 'Quite frankly every project has that phase where people believe that it will never be done. And even if it is done, if you look at the history… at some of our huge projects… you need someone who really drives them. It's just that you have to withstand that onslaught for a little while. But as it gets built people eventually come around and say, 'we should have built this a long time ago'.'

Pennsylvania Station, or Penn for short, is a major station in downtown Manhattan and it's here that you really get an idea of the city's integrated rail system.

Mainline and regional trains, buses and the Metro connect here.

It only takes a few minutes from Penn to Jamaica Station in Queens, where the AirTrain departs.

The newly built upper level of Jamaica also acts as a kind of Departures terminal for JFK -
this, while passengers are still about ten kilometres away from the airport.

Derek: 'So this is roughly how it will be in South Africa. You arrive at Sandton terminal, check in your luggage, buy your ticket and head for the train or, as they say in America, 'you're good to go'.'

The train has been operational since December 2003, transporting 12 million passengers per year.

It covers a distance of 14 kilometres - most of it on an elevated track - with passengers disembarking at nine different airport terminals.

Unlike the Gautrain, this one is driverless. The AirTrain was built by Bombardier Transportation, which is also a partner in the Bombela Consortium, the preferred bidder for the Gautrain project.

Derek: 'A major question: Will the Gautrain be safe? Well safety was also a huge concern when the AirTrain was built here at JFK Airport. According to operations director, Nat Ham, it's thanks to the latest technology that they've got all their bases covered.'

Nat Ham (Operations Director: JFK Airport): 'We have roughly 168 cameras. Every platform has a camera on it. We can actually see a person getting on at Jamaica and also departing the train at any terminal within the CTA.'

Derek: 'You can follow them all the way?'

Nat: 'We can follow them all the way.'

Derek: 'And what sort of recognition devices do you have?'

Nat: 'Well, we are working on right now… there are a couple of devices that we are working on. We are working on object detection. That means if you were to board our train with a suitcase and you were to put it down for any period of time, we can now trace that suitcase back to the person that put it there..'

Derek: 'And you have got a thing called face recognition?'

Nat: 'Well the thing about face recognition is that we can count the person coming on to the train. So therefore the person boarding the train system at Jamaica and going to the Central Terminal Area.,. we can actually pick that person out and follow them throughout the system.'

And in case of an emergency, the control room can stop a train by pushing one of these red buttons.

This First World technology and approach to train security will, they say, also apply to the Gautrain.

Jack: 'We're designing this system from bottom up. We are designing it as ten new stations. As a total secure system. And in that system there will be about 400 closed circuit televisions on the trains, having them linked into the parking areas and that. So we are confident that we can provide that amount of safety and it is included in the price.'

Next stop, London.

And it's traffic, traffic and more traffic.

Derek: 'We've arrived at Heathrow Airport, about to take the HR Express to Paddington Station. Now they say it's the fastest way to central London - just 15 minutes and we will arrive at our destination in style and comfort. Well, we'll see about that.'

On board, first class passengers have enough space for their laptops so that they can catch up on work or e-mails from home or the office.

The air-conditioned carriages have television screens, plenty of luggage space and the exits are level with the station's platform, making it easy to get luggage on and off the train.

Derek: 'Well that was 15 minutes on the dot and we're at Paddington Station, ready to connect to anywhere in London… in fact, anywhere in England. And this is not your normal boring traditional station. I can see a number of enticing eateries and it's hard to resist them.'

… Restaurants, coffee shops, bookstores and supermarkets… modern day stations even have areas where one can pay one's telephone and council bills.

And that's what is envisioned for stations on the Gautrain line.

Derek: 'This is pretty much what the Gautrain will look like. The driver, John, isn't allowed to chat to us at the controls, but when we get to the depot we'll find out more about how this train operates.'

John Page has been a train driver for 30 years… the train he's driving was manufactured by Bombardier Transportation, who will also build the Gautrain.

John Page (Train Driver): 'This is the most modern unit we have got. The most modern unit I have ever driven. It is a pleasure to drive. It is just a very good unit.'

Every unit of the Gautrain will consist of four carriages, each with four axels. Of the 16 axels, 12 will have their own motors, allowing the train to traverse very steep gradients and have high levels of acceleration and deceleration.

It will have ABS brakes and a power output of 2 400 kilowatt or, if you wish, 3 200 horses. And this is what the Gautrain's nose will look like…

Passengers will have an open view right down the train.

And each carriage will be able to accommodate 80 seated and 20 standing passengers.
While the airport service will cater for 50 seated passengers.

Bombardier Transportation's project director for the Gautrain project is Jason Westwood.

Jason Westwood (Project Director: Bombardier Transportation): 'The overall contract is for a hundred vehicles. And, of those, the first twelve will be built in the UK and the balance will be assembled in South Africa.'

Derek: 'What sort of maintenance do you need with these trains?'

Jason: 'These trains operate a maintenance regime where they run for between 10 and 15 thousand miles between service intervals. And obviously the maintenance regime will be built in as part of the contract.'

This is the site where the Marlboro Station will be built, just west of the N3 highway. The station will be at the centre of the 80 kilometre rail link.

Going north from Malboro, the train will stop in Midrand from where it will travel above ground next to the Ben Schoeman highway.

It will cross the N1 near the John Vorster off-ramp, stop at the Centurion Station, cross the Ben Schoeman highway, and continue the journey to Pretoria and Hatfield.

Going east from Malboro, it will go above ground and terminate at Rhodesfield in Kempton Park.

Going south, the train will go underground to Sandton, Rosebank and Park Station in Johannesburg.

The airport link will be an express train between Johannesburg International and Sandton.

Derek: 'The final plans have not been drawn up for Sandton Station, but it will be something like this - Canary Wharf in London - a deep, modern concourse leading to upmarket shops and restaurants and a long escalator leading to the exit. And this is where you'll arrive… in the heart of Sandton on the corner of Rivonia and West, under the shadow of Sandton City. Well that's what they say.'

Derek: 'The main element of this whole scheme is that you have got to get motorists out of their cars and onto the train.'

Jack: 'We did a state of preference study. It showed that initially 20 to 25% of people would move from cars to the train. There is a survey out that says 50%. Now if that could happen, I may have too small of a system.'

Derek: 'So you like that survey?'

Jack: 'I like that survey.'

We're off on the Euro Star to our next stop, Paris

The high-speed rail link between Britain and Europe covers a distance of nearly 350 kilometres, reaching Paris in less than three hours.

Derek: 'To get an idea of the speed of the Euro Star, just look at the traffic out there. Now, they must be travelling on a limit that I would guess is around 100 or 120 kph and we are leaving them behind. This train must be going at, I reckon, 180 kph to 200 kph.'

The Gautrain will reach speeds of 160 kilometres per hour and higher.

The trip between Sandton and the airport will apparently take 12 to 15 minutes and the one between Pretoria and Johannesburg 40 [minutes].

The estimated cost of a ticket from Pretoria to Johannesburg will be 18 to 19 rand.

According to the plan, the train will operate 18 hours a day, with six trains an hour each way.

14 kilometres of the route will go through underground tunnels.

Derek: 'This is also the view that you will get on some sections of the Gautrain, basically underground. You know something else? No clickety-clack! That's because these rails are mounted on rubber and are specially welded. And they're promising the same for the Gautrain… excuse me.'

The French parastatal RATP transports around nine million people per day over the Paris network… that's using buses and trains.

RATP hope to offer a similar service in South Africa, managing the Gautrain for the first 15 years of the concession.

The integrated system will include operating an exclusive bus service, with around 200 buses travelling over more than 450 km's of feeder routes.

Patrick Vautier is the Marketing Director for RAPT.

Patrick Vautier (Marketing Director: RAPT): 'The key question is not only to organise a station-to-station shuttle from Johannesburg to Pretoria and to the airport… because that is only a small part of the market. The real market is mobility. And if you want to offer a better way of life to your communities you don't have to build what we call a two-level system, with buses for the poor people and trains for rich people. What we try to organise… that is why we call it an integrative network… is the same quality for everybody, for every community, mixing the different modes, but not separating them in buses and trains.'

Derek: 'This is Paris as you've probably never seen it. It's the area called La Defense, the business hub of the capital, in fact the biggest business centre of Europe. It's something like the Sandton of Africa with its very own transport requirements.'

The French refer to it as a seamless travel concept and it takes travelling even further than using buses and trains.

Patrick: 'What we do is to create such an integrated network using different modes. Today we are using four modes. We have created first the underground, then buses, the regional train in the mid-seventies, now the trams. And we are also looking for bicycles and even walking.'

Derek: 'Part of your rationale as a transport operator is that it is not just transport; it is a whole infrastructure. You can do your shopping; you can send a letter; you can do anything; get on the Internet at a station.'

Patrick: 'What we want to add is a whole lot of services, communications. We are involved in developing a cell-phone communication inside the tubes, because we don't want transport time to be a kind of dead time. It is a living part of your daily life and we want to cover all the aspects.'

But there has been criticism at home.

The Coalition of SA Trade Unions, COSATU, says it is concerned that the Gautrain will be elitist and not beneficial to the majority of Gauteng commuters.

Derek [speaking to Siphiwe Mgcina]: 'So you don't buy the premier's assertion that Metrorail, and even the bus infrastructure, would improve - along with the Gautrain - as far as the outlying communities are concerned and the townships?'

Siphiwe Mgcina (Gauteng Secretary: COSATU): 'No, we are not buying that. We believe that it is going to be an elitist project that is going to disadvantage the majority of our people. And it is unfortunate that it is going to be funded through Fiscus, which is the money that comes from our taxes… which is the money from the national government.'

Mbhazima: 'The notion that it is elitist, I think that is misplaced. I think it tends to assume that everyone who drives on the Ben Schoeman, on the R24, on the R21, are all elitist. Many of those work for government; they are teachers; they are nurses and many other workers who take very little home.'

COSATU has called for a halt on the project.

Siphiwe: 'We are stopping the project pending a broad and comprehensive engagement on a public transportation system that will benefit all South Africans and in particular the Gautengers.'

Mbhazima: 'They might as well go and strike because we will not scrap the Gautrain. If it is about how do we insure integration? How do we work together for safety in terms of Metrorail? They will find me as an ally.'

Another concern is that the Gautrain is turning into a gravy train and that it could be the next arms deal, shrouded in controversy and corruption.

Derek: 'What can you do to address those concerns?'

Mbhazima: 'Well I think the concerns, most of them are unfounded and misplaced. This is not another arms deal in the making. Since its inception no one has come forward and said that they believe that the tenders have been done in a manner [which] favours this or that particular individual. We have done it in a transparent way. We have a team of lawyers, both on our side and from national, that checks every single step that we take. Because our aim is to simply insure that we have this system and that once it is in place we can look back and say it was value for money.'
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The decision by the Gauteng department of agriculture, conservation and environment to approve the "unsightly" overhead section of the Gautrain through Centurion is shocking, the
Democratic Alliance said on Thursday.

"It was originally supposed to be underground, but Centurion residents now face a hideous concrete and steel skybridge that will scar the landscape for more than four kilometres," the DA Gauteng
transport spokesperson James Swart said in a statement.

Swart said the department had claimed that the alignment would save money.

"But according to the South African Rail Commuter Corporation (SARCC), more than R500 million could be saved if the Gautrain followed the existing Metro Rail route.


"Scar the landscape..."?????? What the fvck??? Then I suppose places like Kuala Lumpur, Bangkok etc are all just one big festering wound...??????

Give me a fvcking break.....
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Old December 22nd, 2006, 08:17 AM   #205
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It's all politics, isn't it?

The DA will look for any opportunity to criticise a government project so that they can drum up support from their traditional support base. Because of this, politics in SA will continue to be polarised along racial lines and the DA will never gain any real foothold into SA politics.

Still.. ******* irritating indeed. If only people would see the larger benefits of this project!
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DA will never win black people's votes with all these attitude, I really do not think that they understand what does it mean to be an "opposition". Thier main focus should be job creation, housing and crime reduction in CT townships so as to prove to the masses and the ANC that they will do better when they voted in power, but all they do is just farting with their mouths.
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Check this shots out

I most like the one with Birnam College

http://www.gautrain.co.za/index.php?...ck=6&albumid=7
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what the F3#[email protected] how on earth can they oppose a skybridge? are they crazy? some people really need to get out the box they live in.
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yeah, its a big box labelled "Centurion".... lol
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but hasnt the whole project been give the go ahead already ?? anyway the skybridge looks neat to me
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Fifteen families who are objecting to eviction orders to make way for the Gautrain have been granted a short reprieve.

The Johannesburg High Court on Thursday ordered that the province may not take possession of their Marlboro Gardens homes until February 6.

An urgent application brought by the families two weeks ago to set aside the speedy expropriation of their homes will be heard on January 11.

The families are not objecting to the construction of the rapid rail link, but are arguing that the state has offered them too little for their properties.

The application was initially set down for yesterday but Gauteng Transport MEC Ignatius Jacobs was on holiday and therefore unavailable.

Allen Liversage, the advocate acting for Jacobs, Transport Minister Jeff Radebe and the Gauteng provincial government, said yesterday that neither the minister nor the MEC could be contacted because they were away, and asked for|a postponement.

On November 3 the families were served with letters informing them that their houses had been expropriated to the province on October 31, and told to vacate the premises by January 6.

Three families then took their fight to the High Court, and the matter was set down for yesterday. It has been postponed until January 11.

An order of court was passed down, postponing the evictions until February 4.

One of the affected residents, Zohra Sayanvala (64), has argued in her affidavit that her property was worth much more than the R1 550 000 offered. The residents have all been offered in the region of R1,5-million, but claim their properties are worth between R3-million and R11-million.

The application seeks to set aside the expropriation of the 15 houses, declare the two-month eviction notice unconstitutional and interdict the province from allowing building to continue through the night. Residents are asking for quiet between 6pm and 6am.

Zehir Omar, the attorney acting for the affected families, said the state's actions were inexplicable. "I cannot for the life of me understand the ease with which the province has expropriated these houses. They are trampling on very basic rights of my clients.

"My clients are not intending to be obstacles to something that will be beneficial to our country. They are willing to leave. And they're saying that if the state can't pay them what they want, then it must give them other houses," said Omar.

Sayanvala's son, Imran, said that while the residents were willing to move out of the close-knit community, it had been a heartbreaking decision to leave behind their mosque, cemetery and Islamic school.

"These people just don't understand the value of the mosque to us. It's sad," he said.
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Im surprised that, with the tight deadlines we have on the project, there has been no activity on the construction sites the past 2 weeks....
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I saw this and it bored me to death, plenty of people wants all these projects to fail.
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Im surprised that, with the tight deadlines we have on the project, there has been no activity on the construction sites the past 2 weeks....
Hmmm... leaving things rather tight indeed in my opinion... they need to get moving quicker..
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More update on Gautrrain, http://www.jhbproperty.co.za/siteimg...in_station.pdf
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Check out this video of the new bullet train in Taiwan... here's hoping BBC will do a similar report on our bullet train in 2009!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/nolavconsole/i...wm_6233733.stm
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LOVE IT!!! How about a Jhb-Cpt line? 5 hours on the train.... not bad.....
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I was recently in Bangkok, they have the "skytrain" system, which is basicaly how the Gautrain is going to be. It worls wonders in that place, quick, easy, safe, no hassle's, no delays, nothing! they currently still building a track to their airport, because its fairly new, but when its complete, I would advise anyone that is going to bangkok to use that.

So when Gautrain is ready, Im sure it will work wonders for the people as is Bangkoks skytrain
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I was recently in Bangkok, they have the "skytrain" system, which is basicaly how the Gautrain is going to be. It worls wonders in that place, quick, easy, safe, no hassle's, no delays, nothing! they currently still building a track to their airport, because its fairly new, but when its complete, I would advise anyone that is going to bangkok to use that.

So when Gautrain is ready, Im sure it will work wonders for the people as is Bangkoks skytrain
I think this is probably one of the best examples of what we can expect from the Gautrain. Also very similiar to Kuala Lumpur's Putra Line. (LRT)
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