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Old July 8th, 2015, 05:45 PM   #781
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Although the kop end does tie in nicer than the previous design. I think I prefer the inside of the the new design and the outside of the old one
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Old July 8th, 2015, 11:09 PM   #782
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It looks like it was more designed to cater for American Football spectators than football spectators. Sure its got a single tier end but i'm not convinced the roof being so high above this single tier will necessary create an atmosphere that they are obviously so desparate to create. Fair play to Tottenham but I'll keep my beloved Villa Park thank you very much.
The gap between the top of the single tier end and the roof has nothing to do with accommodating American football.

It's simply the consequence of having a single tier end in an otherwise 4 tiered stadium with a cable net roof. In order for the single tier end to rise as high as the other end and two sides, it would have to be built too far back. The view from the top seats would be very poor.

There have been no compromises as a consequence of designing a stadium suitable for both sports. There have merely been additions: added changing room space to accommodate the vast NFL squads and staff and, most importantly, two pitches - a retractable grass pitch and an artificial turf pitch beneath it.

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Old July 8th, 2015, 11:29 PM   #783
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Although the kop end does tie in nicer than the previous design. I think I prefer the inside of the the new design and the outside of the old one
Fair enough. Each to their own.

I would agree that, in one respect, the KSS design is better. It seems more compact. That is, I guess, a consequence of having a smaller lower tier and bigger upper tier whereas Populous have designed a bigger lower tier and smaller upper tier.

But in every other respect, Populous's stadium has the better interior, IMO. For starters, it's not just that the single tier end is far more harmoniously incorporated into the whole. It's also that it will hold 17,000 fans...........17,000, FFS!! It has become a beast! The KSS single tier end seems almost half hearted and apologetic by comparison.

Secondly, although we can't fully see the other end, it seems to me (from the aerial render looking north) that this new design has largely done away with those sharply dipping, emasculating upper tier corners. In the process, it has shed the new WHL of any remaining trace of Emirates / Stadio da Luz likeness. And that has to be a good thing (for both Spurs and Arsenal!).

Lastly, I much prefer the new interior roof solution. Far cleaner than the complex, truss heavy previous design. There is a clear nod to the Olympic stadium roof and lighting (also designed by Populous), though with straight rather than triangular floodlights.
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Old July 9th, 2015, 12:57 AM   #784
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I see the three old buildings on High Road that were being incorporated into the previous design now seem to be down to just one?
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Old July 9th, 2015, 01:10 AM   #785
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The gap between the top of the single tier end and the roof has nothing to do with accommodating American football.

It's simply the consequence of having a single end in an otherwise 4 tiered stadium with a cable net roof. In order for the single tier end to rise as high as the other end and two sides, it would have to be built too far back. The view from the top seats would be very poor.

There have been no compromises as a consequence of designing a stadium suitable for both sports. There have merely been additions: added changing room space to accommodate the vast NFL squads and staff and, most importantly, two pitches - a retractable grass pitch and an artificial turf pitch beneath it.
My point about the distance between the single tier and the roof was regarding the atmosphere. Ideally the roof needs to be low as possible to the top of the tier for the atmosphere to spill onto the pitch and in the direction of other stands, alike at Anfield, Villa Park, Dortmund, etc, rather than upwards. Perhaps more of an effort could have been made to detach the 'kop end' from the rest of the stadium maybe with an independent roof structure.

My point re the stadium being customed more to American Football is that the stadium is essentially still a American-esque bowl type stadium. The meat of the stadium actually looks like a lot of American Football stadiums in the USA, Soldier Field being one. I believe, looking at their early proposals, that Stamford Bridge will end up being the better venue to watch football than WHL.

Don't get me wrong its going to be a great addition to England, but its not my cup of tea when it comes to football grounds.
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I see the three old buildings on High Road that were being incorporated into the previous design now seem to be down to just one?
Yep.

The thinking seems to be that one of the restricting factors for the capacity was the health and safety implication of the small pavement space between three of those old buildings and the High Road. Even with a 36K crowd, it means loads of fans walking in the bus lane at busy times on match days. Warmington House, the fourth of the retained buildings, is set back quite some distance from the road, so it doesn't cause the same problem.

So it's possible that, in order to increase the proposed capacity to 61K, we will have to get English Heritage's permission to demolish the three "offending buildings" in order to make the pavement safe and wide enough for the mass of pedestrians and replace them with some modern buildings either side of Warmington House in order to maintain a frontage for the High Road.

Debatable whether EH will play ball. If Spurs are to stumble at any hurdle with this new planning application, this will be it, IMO.
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Old July 9th, 2015, 12:03 PM   #787
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My point about the distance between the single tier and the roof was regarding the atmosphere. Ideally the roof needs to be low as possible to the top of the tier for the atmosphere to spill onto the pitch and in the direction of other stands, alike at Anfield, Villa Park, Dortmund, etc, rather than upwards. Perhaps more of an effort could have been made to detach the 'kop end' from the rest of the stadium maybe with an independent roof structure.

My point re the stadium being customed more to American Football is that the stadium is essentially still a American-esque bowl type stadium. The meat of the stadium actually looks like a lot of American Football stadiums in the USA, Soldier Field being one. I believe, looking at their early proposals, that Stamford Bridge will end up being the better venue to watch football than WHL.

Don't get me wrong its going to be a great addition to England, but its not my cup of tea when it comes to football grounds.
I think too much can be made of roofs and how they help or hinder atmosphere. I've been in plenty of roofless stadia where the noise is deafening. For me, the only taboo is a roof that slopes down and restricts the view of some, or even much, of the remainder of the stadium. I hate the sensation of being cut off.

As to the stadium being bowl shaped, again that has nothing to do with American football. Long before the NFL link ever materialised, Spurs' initial plans were every bit as much for a bowl shaped stadium, very similar to the Emirates. American football stadia are no more bowl shaped, as a rule, than most European stadia. Many of the greatest European stadia - Bernabeu, Camp Nou, Allianz etc - are essentially bowl shaped. As to the Soldier Field comparison.......thanks! I love that stadium!

I think both the new Stamford Bridge and the new WHL, in their very different ways, will be superb venues in which to watch football. Both are a massive step up in quality from the standard new build stadia in this country.

But I absolutely appreciate that everyone will have their preferences.

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